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Holy poo poo s201 is still in there? It is a terrible law that I thought they repealed over a decade ago. quote:201 Infecting with disease
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Ok then, hypothetically all dumb or easily manipulated laws are removed and only actual serious rape murder women bashing child abuse etc laws were left? Or is it simply the idea that a maximum sentence can be imposed without contextual arguments being made available?
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Nov 1, 2017 05:39
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BloodRed posted:Or is it simply the idea that a maximum sentence can be imposed without contextual arguments being made available? It is unironically this. Contextual arguments are important.
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Nov 1, 2017 05:42
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BloodRed posted:Ok then, hypothetically all dumb or easily manipulated laws are removed and only actual serious rape murder women bashing child abuse etc laws were left? yep.
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Nov 1, 2017 05:43
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BloodRed posted:Ok then, hypothetically all dumb or easily manipulated laws are removed and only actual serious rape murder women bashing child abuse etc laws were left? Yes, because if you read the spinoff article I linked to you, you'd see that someone received the maximum 7 year indecent assault sentence for grabbing a female corrections officer's butt. While he's clearly a dickhead, a 7 year sentence for minor indecent assault is insane and does not in any way serve to rehabilitate offenders.
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Nov 1, 2017 05:43
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BloodRed posted:Ok then, hypothetically all dumb or easily manipulated laws are removed and only actual serious rape murder women bashing child abuse etc laws were left?
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Nov 1, 2017 05:45
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like, it's not as if judges were just letting pedos off 8 years ago???
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Nov 1, 2017 05:46
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exmarx posted:like, it's not as if judges were just letting pedos off 8 years ago??? *in extremely Seymour voice* Or were they?
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Nov 1, 2017 05:48
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I forget, what happened to the Roast busters again?
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Nov 1, 2017 05:49
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Alright I personally don't agree but I def. can see the other pov. Only time will tell
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Nov 1, 2017 05:52
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I gotta take a minute to be like, sincere thanks to everybody for having a fairly civil discussion about a really difficult topic.
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Nov 1, 2017 05:54
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WarpedNaba posted:I forget, what happened to the Roast busters again? That was poo poo police, not poo poo judges.
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Nov 1, 2017 06:12
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Yeah that case never got put in front of a judge. Neither did Todd Barclay.
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Nov 1, 2017 06:20
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BloodRed posted:I'm just saying it was a tool that could be used to get very bad dudes off the street and into a support system (they can choose to rehabilitate or not...) that is not being replaced by anything else. BloodRed posted:And all I'm saying is that it has yet to be proven if our justice system now has the ability to lower recidivism without the three strikes being available as additional punishment. The 12-month rate in 2006 was 27.7%, in 2015 it was 28.1%. Statistically, Three Strikes has failed to reduce recidivism. If anything it's made it worse if Corrections are to be believed that their failure to lower the rate below what it already was is because police are declining to put minor reoffenders before the court.
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Nov 1, 2017 06:46
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So the three strikes law just means that the cops do the judges' job for them. Which means the system is fundamentally unsound.
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Nov 1, 2017 07:10
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Shithouse Dave posted:I had to go check out what the other 32 qualifying offences are.
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Nov 1, 2017 08:38
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It's almost as if the keys to reducing recidivism are things beyond the justice system.
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Nov 1, 2017 09:20
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slinkimalinki posted:The three strikes rule is dumb as gently caress and I'm glad it's gone, but the age of consent in New Zealand is 16. I will be interested if you can show me a case of a 16 year old in New Zealand convicted of having a 15 year old girlfriend. The bestiality one would be amusing, certainly.
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Nov 1, 2017 09:57
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slinkimalinki posted:The three strikes rule is dumb as gently caress and I'm glad it's gone, but the age of consent in New Zealand is 16. I will be interested if you can show me a case of a 16 year old in New Zealand convicted of having a 15 year old girlfriend. I can't believe I forgot this fact. I spend too much time on the internet.
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Nov 2, 2017 03:58
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Judith Collins is back on National's front bench and has got the transport portfolio. I guess she's done her time in the poo poo bin and they are picking transport as one of the areas they're going to fight hard on?
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Nov 2, 2017 04:45
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Me Bill English durrr what majority meaning??? http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11939774
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Nov 2, 2017 07:43
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bike tory posted:Judith Collins is back on National's front bench and has got the transport portfolio. I guess she's done her time in the poo poo bin and they are picking transport as one of the areas they're going to fight hard on? shes a-grade milf-at-work so all g
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Nov 2, 2017 07:54
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Current employment and construction figures are a benchmark. I guess Labour now have 3 years to get the unemployment level below 4.6%, a level National have finally gotten it back down to after they took office, and to get more than 6.3 dwellings per 1,000 residents consented a year - another statistic that has only just this year risen back to its 2007 level. So there you go Labour, your official benchmarks for success are your historical successes.
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Nov 2, 2017 08:01
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Billy boy there don’t do numbers so good. He’s sounding more and more like trump only this time he is the loser. What a bunch of disingenuous fuckers.
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Nov 2, 2017 08:02
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We're going to be a positive opposition ~vows to be as obstructionist as possible~
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Nov 2, 2017 08:04
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bobbilljim posted:Me Bill English durrr what majority meaning??? The split could have been 75/25 and I feel confident in saying the response would be roughly the same. None of these assholes ever have a single word to say in good faith.
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Nov 2, 2017 08:18
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bobbilljim posted:Me Bill English durrr what majority meaning??? Bill English looked to the shitshow that is the Republican party and said "yes, this is a political philosophy we want to emulate". Labour can respond by passing legislation under urgency, right? National grinding the select committee process to a halt after abusing urgency for years is loving hilarious. El Pollo Blanco fucked around with this message at 10:32 on Nov 2, 2017 |
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Nov 2, 2017 10:28
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i heard they were gonna pass paid parental leave under urgency https://twitter.com/NZNationalParty/status/911558653022310401
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Nov 2, 2017 11:49
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The only way a select committee has any power whatsoever is if they are 100% in agreement that a change to the law needs to be made. If they are in less-than-total agreement, all they can do is making nonbinding recommendations. Unless Labour somehow allow National to totally stack all the select committees, there's no way they can do anything they're saying there. I AM BILL ENGLISH, HEAR THE FORCE OF MY NONBINDING RECOMMENDATIONS
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Nov 2, 2017 20:35
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Gogo racist Australia! http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-41874826 Jacinda offers to take the current problem of the marooned men off their hands but turned it down because???
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Nov 5, 2017 07:38
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Because if they have NZ citizenship or residence then they can go to Australia.
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Nov 5, 2017 07:47
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OK, I will give them that as a logically racist reason.
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Nov 5, 2017 08:08
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Can someone please make a meme of the "does he look like a bitch" / "say 'what' again" bit from pulp fiction but instead it's Jacinda Ardern/Bill English and "minority government"
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Nov 6, 2017 23:51
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Also national have already shown what shitgeads they're going to be in opposition. Because Jacinda, David Parker and Winston are away at APEC, they didn't have the votes to elect Mallard as speaker. National threatened to block it so they could cut a deal to go back to 108 select committee seats. Talk about playing loving hardball
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Nov 7, 2017 00:48
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Shitheads or not the government really should have known how many MPs it had.
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Nov 7, 2017 02:18
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No, fair enough on them. They saw an opportunity and pounced. It's the loving government which is to blame for this stuff up. God dammit.
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Nov 7, 2017 02:18
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Yeah, that one is probably on Hipkins. It is like when Labour and NZ First nearly got Mallard d elected speaker last term. Only foiled because someone in National noticed a lot of opposition MOs hanging around and they stalled until they could get their people back.
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Nov 7, 2017 02:31
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I am not looking forward to Republican style obstructionism seeing National has imported just about everything else about them.
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Nov 7, 2017 02:38
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there isn't that much they can do without a majority in the House, this isn't the US.
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Nov 7, 2017 03:25
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I know, but they will drat well try to import it like the BS moral majority poo poo etc.
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