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We are getting into the powerpc stuff at work (we previously only tested with intel x86) and ordered a power8 server to ramp up. It comes with AIX installed but first thing will be replace that with Linux no doubt. The POWER9s have pcie gen4  Should be interesting!
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PCjr sidecar posted:That's two independent nodes in 1 OCP tray, note the multi-host NIC. Ah, fair point. Still, 48 cores on one socket vs Xeons maxing out at 56 cores on two sockets is playing in the same league IMO, on a core count basis at least.
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Nov 8, 2017 22:43
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Is ARM on servers the new Linux on desktop thing I keep hearing every year?
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Nov 8, 2017 23:05
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mobby_6kl posted:Is ARM on servers the new Linux on desktop thing I keep hearing every year? Yes.
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Nov 8, 2017 23:06
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Server rt 2018
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Nov 9, 2017 01:28
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Cygni posted:STH has some non performance analysis of the Qualcomm CPUs. His take away is basically ARM servers havent had great luck getting traction for a variety of reasons (including Broadcom, who may now buy Qualcomm, shutting down their own ARM server business), and with EPYC around, the anybody-but-intel server crowd may already have their darling. Qualcomm couldn't even beat stock ARM in either CPU or GPU in mobile, let alone in an environment of big players where CPU costs are a pittance all things considered.
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Palladium posted:Qualcomm couldn't even beat stock ARM in either CPU or GPU in mobile, let alone in an environment of big players where CPU costs are a pittance all things considered. It's all about performance per watt. If Qualcomm is really delivering in that category the big players like LinkedIn, Azure, Google are interested. If they don't really have an edge they will fade out like every other ARM server play.
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Rastor posted:It's all about performance per watt. If Qualcomm is really delivering in that category the big players like LinkedIn, Azure, Google are interested. If they don't really have an edge they will fade out like every other ARM server play. If you can provide a platform that delivers X big compute task 15% cheaper than the next best solution, the cost of rejiggering the code to run on it becomes secondary to the 20 million you spend on the hardware to run it on.
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Nov 9, 2017 03:33
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Methylethylaldehyde posted:If you can provide a platform that delivers X big compute task 15% cheaper than the next best solution, the cost of rejiggering the code to run on it becomes secondary to the 20 million you spend on the hardware to run it on. The problem is that more real-world tasks Actual Tough Problems are latency-sensitive than you would think. The latency-insensitive throughput-oriented market or super-analytic market are already well-served in various fashions. And distributed consensus is a tough problem all its own.
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Nov 9, 2017 04:09
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Paul MaudDib posted:The problem is that more real-world tasks Actual Tough Problems are latency-sensitive than you would think. The latency-insensitive throughput-oriented market or super-analytic market are already well-served in various fashions. And distributed consensus is a tough problem all its own. I think in their briefing Qualcomm flat out stated their target is not scale-up latency sensitive analytics, it is scale-out PUE sensitive cloud hosting. Like people seem to be saying this is no replacement for a top end x86 server running Oracle or whatever and I don't think it was ever trying to be.
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Nov 9, 2017 12:23
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Paul MaudDib posted:The problem is that more real-world tasks Actual Tough Problems are latency-sensitive than you would think. The latency-insensitive throughput-oriented market or super-analytic market are already well-served in various fashions. And distributed consensus is a tough problem all its own. distributed consensus is tough but is entirely orthogonal to ISA In a lot of cases you just need a sea of cores, and ARM is fine for that, but lacks an equivalent to Infinity Fabric or Omnipath. ARM also doesn't give a gently caress about competing with nVidia re PCIe bandwidth so they aren't going to be dragging their heels on io to favor CPU
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Nov 9, 2017 12:28
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Rastor posted:I think in their briefing Qualcomm flat out stated their target is not scale-up latency sensitive analytics, it is scale-out PUE sensitive cloud hosting. poo poo like ML is massively parallelized and needs more of a cpu <-> accelerator connection than anything else which is great b/c ARM AXI is like the IP standard. not sure they have a great off chip interconnect story but u can always hook up PCIe IP out the wazoo basically ARM's USP is customizability which Intel has rarely if at all offered and only to select customers. Intel's response is Xeon + Altera FPGAs which is not bad but sometimes u just want someone else to do all the hw heavy lifting and buy that weird rear end 7 core w/ 8x10GBe + NN accelerator
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Nov 9, 2017 12:32
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That is one goofy looking chip (kady lake g) https://www.chiphell.com/thread-1793246-1-1.html
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Nov 9, 2017 18:31
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Don Lapre posted:That is one goofy looking chip (kady lake g) It's socket 1151 compatible right
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Nov 9, 2017 18:46
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Sure get out the dremel and hack off the interposer and you're good to drop it in
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Nov 9, 2017 19:36
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Neat look by CloudFlare at how Intel fares against Qualcomm's ARM for serverside work: https://blog.cloudflare.com/arm-takes-wing/
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Nov 9, 2017 20:24
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Don Lapre posted:That is one goofy looking chip (kady lake g) Goofy-looking, yes - but I'm more so noticing that they didn't bother to make an IHS for it and instead went the shim route. ~Fingers crossed~ for eight-core CL.
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Nov 9, 2017 20:48
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That with a video card style vapor chamber cooler could work out quite well.
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Nov 9, 2017 20:52
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I found an HP Visualizer X-Class (A1280) desktop tower in the recycling bin at work. Dual Pentium III's clocked at 1GHz, 160GB SCSI drive, 4GB of dual-channel RAM, a customized TNT2 card, and misc bits of "wow, this is meant for actual mid-iron workloads" from TYOOL 2000. Obviously, I want to play Quake III with it, but HP won't help me with drivers. Does anyone here have a recommended forum I could ask in order to get it up and running properly on Windows 2000?
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Nov 9, 2017 20:55
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A Bad King posted:I found an HP Visualizer X-Class (A1280) desktop tower in the recycling bin at work. Dual Pentium III's clocked at 1GHz, 160GB SCSI drive, 4GB of dual-channel RAM, a customized TNT2 card, and misc bits of "wow, this is meant for actual mid-iron workloads" from TYOOL 2000. Nice find. Are you sure HP isn't providing drivers? I couldn't find anything x-class or a1280 but there are a bunch of Visualize workstations listed. Vogons is kinda good for old drivers but they're more focused on old DOS gaming. You might have the most problems with whatever SCSI chipset is on the mobo. e: found a user manual, looks like it carries an adaptec Ultra 160/m SCSI card mewse fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Nov 9, 2017 |
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Goofy-looking, yes - but I'm more so noticing that they didn't bother to make an IHS for it and instead went the shim route. ~Fingers crossed~ for eight-core CL. Because it's designed for laptops and nucs. All laptop cpus are like this.
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mewse posted:Nice find. I couldn't find anything. A phone call to HP support told me that anything from that era is deleted from their site by year 10. It boots to Windows NT 4.0 SP6A, but I obviously don't have the log ins. Boot diagnostics (which is super fancy and gets me excited every time it runs) are green and good, so I have a fully working but inaccessible ~$18k dream machine that I'm afraid to refresh.
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A Bad King posted:I couldn't find anything. A phone call to HP support told me that anything from that era is deleted from their site by year 10. See if you can blank the passwords with a boot CD https://pogostick.net/~pnh/ntpasswd/
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Nov 9, 2017 21:30
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mewse posted:See if you can blank the passwords with a boot CD You're amazing.
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Nov 9, 2017 21:31
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Thanks that's why they pay me a modest amount of money!! NT 4 should be able to run quake3 with a TNT2 card in there.
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Nov 9, 2017 21:38
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mewse posted:Thanks that's why they pay me a modest amount of money!! I wonder if Lazy Gamer Reviews would like to take a peek at this thing. Man...two PIII's was  Maximum PC Dream Machine, back in my childhood. Having 4 gigs of dual-channel RAM was..."what can I do with this?!?!" territory! Throw in a SCSI drive and you got a bullseye on your back for when the revolution comes.
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Nov 9, 2017 21:54
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Oh gee, my dual P3-933 machine outlived so much P4s and single core Athlons. It was only slayed by the AthlonX2.
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Combat Pretzel posted:Oh gee, my dual P3-933 machine outlived so much P4s and single core Athlons. It was only slayed by the AthlonX2. Cause p4 was so bad they went back to the p3 architecture.
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Nov 9, 2017 22:13
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Newegg has had 8700k’s in stock all morning. I grabbed one yesterday morning, and it shipped out from Indianapolis by the afternoon.
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Nov 9, 2017 22:24
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A Bad King posted:I wonder if Lazy Gamer Reviews would like to take a peek at this thing. I had a dual p2 (better than p3) micronics Helios board back in the day with hacked Celeron 333s overclocked to 450 and a TNT2 and a SCSI drive. The Helios board was the poo poo.
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Nov 10, 2017 04:47
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Always wanted a timna.
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Don Lapre posted:That is one goofy looking chip (kady lake g) Oh I guessed right about the NUC thing. E: I just realized the guess was from the AMD thread and this is a crosspost Sidesaddle Cavalry fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Nov 10, 2017 |
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Nov 10, 2017 15:52
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What's a good tool to use for checking CPU temperature?
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Nov 11, 2017 12:01
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Digirat posted:What's a good tool to use for checking CPU temperature? I use HWinfo64.
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Nov 11, 2017 12:57
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Digirat posted:What's a good tool to use for checking CPU temperature? https://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/ http://www.alcpu.com/CoreTemp/
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Nov 11, 2017 15:17
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Coretemp has bundled malware in the past so watch out.
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Also they may have fixed it, since, but as of a year ago coretemp had weird compatibility issues with windows 8/10; causing windows to sometimes hang on log in.
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Is there any chance of the 8700k going back to msrp in the next few months? I could use a pc upgrade soonish and my credit card has 90 days of price protection.
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Yes. Stock is slowly recovering.
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