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Fors Yard posted:A VCO is just the part that outputs the waveforms. Adding a whole Mother 32 gives you VCO, VCF, VCA, Sequencer.... Just adding another VCO you would have to control it with something (the mother 32 playing the same sequence) and that would supplement the sound to make it more complex but having another semi modular gives you another complete independent voice. Syncing up two M32s would allow you to have two sequencers playing together, just adding a VCO would make the single Mother sound more interesting with an additional sound mixed with it. For the price of many modules, a Mother 32 gives you a lot more functionality (albeit limited in a lot of places) but the price gives you a full synth voice for cheap compared to what you'd need as separate modules. I think that's why Eurorack is such a trap. I think people don't realize how limited a single module can be and adding more functions is at least $100 plus more dollars and it can add up quick. Fair, I should’ve probably acknowledged the difference between ‘true polyphony’ and paraphonic synths where multiple oscillators are run through a single filter/amp, but also they behave differently and I didn’t want to make an already meandering post worse. I suppose that what I’m trying to envision is a single-system modular synth that’s relatively unconstrained by stuff like cost. When I got into synths, the Roland/Malekko 500 came out at $2k for a “complete instrument” of 5 modules. Moog was selling reproductions of its System 55 for tens of thousands of dollars. Ethics/etc aside, these new cheap Eurorack systems let you do stuff like build a $2k ‘Roland’ with 18(gotta count the case) to maybe 30 modules in it. (Before I get a bunch of comments calling that boring, and asking why you’d want to, just go with me here). Are those extra modules superfluous? Are you better off with, say a $500 or $600 clone of that original $2k synth? If you spent the same amount of money but double/triple/quadrupled the number of everything would you wind up with a better or more interesting synth?
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Electric Bugaloo posted:Fair, I should’ve probably acknowledged the difference between ‘true polyphony’ and paraphonic synths where multiple oscillators are run through a single filter/amp, but also they behave differently and I didn’t want to make an already meandering post worse. Those cheap eurorack modules are super interesting if you want a "classic" modular for a low price, but in 2020 the appeal of eurorack is imho more for all the super innovative designs/functions that you don't find in more classical synths. I mean if you look at all the best sellers it's mostly things you can't replicate with the basic building blocks of the Moog/Roland clones. I'm also super tempted by these cheap behringer modules but if I'm being honest it's just going to give me a few more super basic voices when we now have things like the Joranalogue generate 3 or Xaoc Odessa, or even some cheap second hand VCO from the last generation which are still miles ahead in terms of functionalities And even if it's for the utilities mostly, it's going to be same issue. How many Behringer modules will you need to replicate a Maths, is it even going to be interesting cost wise? Certainly not HP wise. Actually I don't even know if it's possible with the modules available SpaceGoatFarts fucked around with this message at 14:34 on Mar 8, 2020 |
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SpaceGoatFarts posted:Those cheap eurorack modules are super interesting if you want a "classic" modular for a low price, but in 2020 the appeal of eurorack is imho more for all the super innovative designs/functions that you don't find in more classical synths. Agreed, but this is more of like a thought experiment than anything else. Maybe a better point of comparison too is something like the 2600. Lots of people are really excited to get their hands on one as a complete instument, rather than a collection of synth components in a case. You could hypothetically build a much more “interesting” or versatile monosynth out of Eurorack parts (pretend sound character isn’t an issue here) for the money, but people want the 2600- be it for nostalgia or as a functional design object.
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I think I'm just too much of a synth noob to feel nostalgia for anything other than the acid sound of the TB 303, because it's the only one I could clearly identify sound wise before recently. But I can understand how someone who always lusted for these classic synths without being able to afford them would feel now that cheap clones are becoming available
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SpaceGoatFarts posted:How many Behringer modules will you need to replicate a Maths, is it even going to be interesting cost wise? Certainly not HP wise. Actually I don't even know if it's possible with the modules available Yup, there’s a ton of holes to poke in the premises of this thought experiment. Buchla people often refer to “the personality” of a synth or “having a dialogue with it”- in other words the sum total of its idiosyncrasies, limitations, and strengths and how the player chooses to interact with them. One of the biggest criticisms of eurorack is option paralysis- either feeling overwhelmed because you can do *anything* and you constantly second guess your choices, or feeling stuck because you have all of these existing paths but youre sure that you *need that one extra module to make it work* because you’re so used to just adding options. In that regard working within the limitations of one synth system or a collection of modules probably becomes a worthwhile creative exercise, but it also sucks if it gets in the way of the sounds that you want to make. For whatever reason I’m thinking a bunch about the Marble Machine dude. He recently posted a video about modifying and upgrading the machine with an electric motor that can be controlled from a computer, so that he can take it on tour and do more potentially interesting and complex performing and songwriting with it. He had some really interesting points to make on what it meant for his creative output from a possibilities and quality-of-life standpoint but also how it irrevocably changed a fundamental part of the instrument and how he works with it. trilobite terror fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Mar 8, 2020 |
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Do not discount sound character, it's what is driving these clones 99%. The features are somewhat hand waved, but it's that sound that people are lusting for. Features may simply help get to that sound in the end.
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SpaceGoatFarts posted:I think I'm just too much of a synth noob to feel nostalgia for anything other than the acid sound of the TB 303, because it's the only one I could clearly identify sound wise before recently. This is not a bad thing. In fact, it will save you a lot of money.
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Wisdom is the understanding that 99% of that nostalgia will be satisfied with the presets page of a good software emulation.
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This one was really good! How do people prefer sharing songs in here? I find Soundcloud and YouTube work well for my browsing, mostly with the Android SA app, but also works well on desktop. Anyone have other opinions?
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Startyde posted:Is it the limited, perhaps more focused, interface on the cycles or just the price that's the appeal over a digitone? I'm not hearing anything out of it that the tone couldn't do. I used to have a digitone and liked it alright. I used it to sequence an MFB 522 for a while and it was pretty great for that too. This reminds me of the korg er-1 / volca drum and it’s cheap so I’m gonna try it out. I wanted a volca drum but a little more fleshed out I guess. I might still get a volca drum  . Basically I love drum machines and spend hours and hours getting baked and programming them in my free time
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Get your tracks done before the Corona virus or the gestapo take you. Thus far: https://soundcloud.com/philtho/rise https://soundcloud.com/rid_labs/get-this-loving-bread https://soundcloud.com/jocko-homomorphism/i-changed-my-name
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An artist I follow did a series of digital paintings depicting a sandworm eating a spice harvester (Dune poo poo), and then someone else used some AI thing to turn it into a weird, smeary animation, and then I made a little tiny score for it on the Wavestate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2zEknZjcec It was mashed together from various preset building blocks. The way sounds are structured on the Wavestate is interesting; you can make unique sounds without going all the way down to building from scratch. Each performance is made up of programs, which is composed of a bunch of lanes, and there are a zillion presets for all of those levels. It's really fun to mix and match those chunks and then tweak them. Shart Carbuncle fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Mar 8, 2020 |
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Argh finding that happy accident 10 minutes before you gotta call it a night because.. work in the morning.ColdPie posted:This one was really good! 
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broke: stock market graph music woke: envelopes generated from virus graphs https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
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we should do an album called Ok ComBoomer. Just saying. Actually hold up. I think I’m gonna change my name to that. Brb
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EBB posted:broke: stock market graph music Actually yeah, pretty much any graph would likely be a lot more fun as an envelope than a waveform. Like, import that poo poo into your DAW and use it to automate a filter cutoff or something.
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EBB posted:broke: stock market graph music Is it bad my main thought right now is "I hope my Wavestate arrives before I'm stuck in quarantine" because that seems like the perfect synth to figure out while trapped at home for a few weeks?
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As the moral surrogate for the sub, Mr. Dick says it's totally o.k..
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A Bad Idea I had and tried today: 1 v/o from sequencer into VCO, VCO ramp out to the usual chain of filter and envelope and VCA. Square out from VCO to clock divider, first division used as a sub-oscillator. Sine out from VCO to S&H in, medium-speed division from the divider as a clock. S&H CV output to VCO linear CV input. Not super musical. It had a neat effect where every time a note is played, the VCO "catches up" to itself in the feedback loop so it plays one note then plays another, slightly higher note. Mostly I'm exploring ways of introducing feedback and timbral changes related to a core frequency right now.
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Today I am patting myself on the back for buying a Hydrasynth right before I took the Eurorack leap because having a couple of potentially complex mod sources on hand without having to actually buy modules is proving to be doooooope By the time I have this 84hp filled I might even completely understand one or maybe even two of the functions on my Ornament and Crime
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Kaossilator is free on Android right now. Normally like $20. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jp.co.korg.kaossilator.android
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EBB posted:Not super musical. I've been trying to embrace dissonance more in my music after I realized that a lot of music I like makes great use of it. So I guess what I'm saying is, don't be afraid to put ugly sounds on a track in service of tension and release.
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odiv posted:Kaossilator is free on Android right now. Normally like $20. iOS as well, natch Edit: I guess they’re doing this ostensibly because people are getting quarantined? lol, speaking of which anybody else getting locked out of their work in the next coming weeks? Maybe oughta call the next mixtape Love in the Time of Coronavirus trilobite terror fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Mar 13, 2020 |
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Just got a brand new iPad. First time in the apple world. Is there a list of recommended iOS synth apps? edit: really just looking for some fun all-in-one apps at he moment to fart around on while in what-I-can-only-assume-is-a-coming quarantine.
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Work booted me starting this week. I'm working from home for a month at least. Maybe I'll come up with something decent enough for the bonerjam.
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BonoMan posted:Just got a brand new iPad. First time in the apple world. Is there a list of recommended iOS synth apps? iVCS3 and literally any Korg app. I've also heard the Model 15 is good.
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i'm wfh for 2 weeks, hopefully will come up for something for socialism bonerjam and covfefe-19
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BonoMan posted:Just got a brand new iPad. First time in the apple world. Is there a list of recommended iOS synth apps? Korg Gadget. Especially when paired with some of the other Korg synth offerings that unlock the associated Gadget (I like the ARP ODYSSEi which unlocks the Lexington gadget, and iMono/Poly which unlocks the Montpellier gadget). The Korg apps are kinda pricey (for iOS apps) though. Gadget and the Synths tend to go on sale a couple times a year for 50% off, but that doesn't do you any good if you want them now.
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EBB posted:Work booted me starting this week. I'm working from home for a month at least. Maybe I'll come up with something decent enough for the bonerjam. I doubt I'll get a month out of it but drat this week of WFH sure has improved my productivity in the studio  BonoMan posted:Just got a brand new iPad. First time in the apple world. Is there a list of recommended iOS synth apps? The PPG stuff is real good, it's old at this point but animoog is real nice too.
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BonoMan posted:Just got a brand new iPad. First time in the apple world. Is there a list of recommended iOS synth apps? Animoog! I haven't used it on iPad, but the iPhone version is great
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Patterning 2, Fugue Machine, and Samplr are worth picking up immediately. I also like Borderlands.
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Seconding Korg Gadget and the other Korg apps. The Moog apps are great as well. AUM and a bunch of AUv3s also open up a huge number of possibilities. I am a big fan of the Rozeta sequencing bundle and Sunrizer synth. The Moog apps also work really well as audio units.
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The Tenori-on apps are a good way to noodle around on an iPad.
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Ok Comboomer posted:
Maybe put together the last one you tried to organize first dude.
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Mr. Dick posted:Maybe put together the last one you tried to organize first dude. yeah, ok. On the upside I have the time now.
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BonoMan posted:Just got a brand new iPad. First time in the apple world. Is there a list of recommended iOS synth apps? Just in time https://twitter.com/moogmusicinc/status/1238583287511224327?s=21
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Model D iPad app just went free
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