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caps on caps on caps posted:Man I watched Voyager Every time I've caught an episode, it bored the poo poo out of me. But it's the last ST I have to watch so I started forcing myself through it a couple days ago. I'm only 11 episodes in, but I'm really enjoying it so far. There are just enough continuity episodes to make give it substance, and the filler episodes are pretty good. I really enjoyed "Silent Enemy", and I was glad that the writers had the discipline never to expose the motives of the jerk aliens. I'm kind of hoping that they come back before the end of the run, and Enterprise fucks them up hard, but I'm also happy with them just being a random one-time encounter instead of following them around until we find out they have unimatrices and maturation chambers.
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The Borg Queen is such a stupid concept because you can tell the movie writer went "they're a collective >Hive> QUEEN!  ". Nevermind asking why the Queen of the Borg would go back in time herself for stopping one race on the other side of the galaxy when just the act of it would cripple the entire collective with her absence. I like First Contact, but it is a very glaring question.The real threat of the 'proper' Borg was their general collective consciousness. At any time, even a single drone left alone will assimilate and expand to create an entire planet of infected Drones without needing a Queen to instruct it. It'll just analyze the most logical set of tasks to complete and execute.
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Feb 25, 2017 02:30
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I saw First Contact in the theater and it scared the poo poo out of me. Fun times.
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Feb 25, 2017 02:31
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Neelix just straight up killed a guy and was all like "WELP this will be good for my own TV program!"
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Feb 25, 2017 02:34
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Neddy Seagoon posted:The Borg Queen is such a stupid concept because you can tell the movie writer went "they're a collective >Hive> QUEEN! I used to think of the Borg as a bunch of individuals from different races forced into constantly thinking the thoughts of trillions of people at once, and the only thought that was common enough among trillions of minds and thousands of species is: propagate and expand. If you were in that hive for long enough you eventually take on that personality even if you are separated from the hivemind. They were pretty scary then. Of course that was before late TNG and Voyager teamed up to DP the Borg into perpetual humiliation.
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Feb 25, 2017 02:39
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Oh hey it's the episode where Harry Kim gets sucked into space and dies but is replaced by a guy from another dimension or whatever and NOBODY CARES even B'Elana who saw him get sucked into space and that's probably pretty traumatic??
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Feb 25, 2017 03:16
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It's sad to consider that everyone in the Department of Temporal Investigations / temporal agents / temporal ship crews have both the most exciting and crazy jobs and also the most rules and paperwork ever. They're like time accountants. And perpetually annoyed.
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Feb 25, 2017 03:21
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why wasn't there ever a Mirror Universe episode of Voyager
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Feb 25, 2017 03:32
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They should just make a new series set in the post-TNG/DS9 universe with a CGI Data as captain.
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Feb 25, 2017 03:33
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FuturePastNow posted:why wasn't there ever a Mirror Universe episode of Voyager Voyager stood on it's own merits, it didn't need to ride on previous shows' coat tails
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Feb 25, 2017 03:34
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FuturePastNow posted:why wasn't there ever a Mirror Universe episode of Voyager mirror-universe Voyager used the Caretaker array to go home.
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Feb 25, 2017 03:37
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FuturePastNow posted:why wasn't there ever a Mirror Universe episode of Voyager There were 
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Feb 25, 2017 03:40
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...and the pitch! posted:There were I mean, yeah, Living Witness was pretty much a mirror universe episode, but it wasn't.
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Feb 25, 2017 04:19
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Scudworth posted:It's sad to consider that everyone in the Department of Temporal Investigations / temporal agents / temporal ship crews have both the most exciting and crazy jobs and also the most rules and paperwork ever. Probably a ton of amazing stories they're not allowed to talk about either.
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Feb 25, 2017 04:22
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Volcott posted:I mean, yeah, Living Witness was pretty much a mirror universe episode, but it wasn't. I was totally joking. I don't know poo poo about Voyager.
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Feb 25, 2017 04:24
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...and the pitch! posted:I was totally joking. I don't know poo poo about Voyager. Janeway starts a race war.
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Feb 25, 2017 04:26
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Volcott posted:Janeway starts a race war. Orange is the new Black is Janeways secret holodeck program.
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Feb 25, 2017 05:07
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...and the pitch! posted:There were Battlestar Galactica?
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Feb 25, 2017 07:05
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I was watching a Voyager episode and it struck me that Neelix was 'Morale Officer'. Does he outrank Miles?
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Feb 25, 2017 11:07
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JediTalentAgent posted:I was watching a Voyager episode and it struck me that Neelix was 'Morale Officer'. Even you outrank O'brien.
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Feb 25, 2017 11:20
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If o'brien sees a loose collar pip dropped on the floor of a jeffries tube he has to salute it as he crawls past.
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Feb 25, 2017 11:22
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Neddy Seagoon posted:The Borg Queen is such a stupid concept because you can tell the movie writer went "they're a collective >Hive> QUEEN! Didn't Voyager bullshit its way out of this by having multiple copies/clones of the Queen?
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Feb 25, 2017 11:37
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The borg were pretty hilari-bad even in TNG episodes, the fact that movies pointed out, "Oh we can just smash these guys faces in?!?" made them being the uber enemy just laughable. A phalanx of klingons holding cadavers as shields could wipe them out. Theoretically the borg would just bombard those species from orbit, but then no assimilation of flesh or more importantly technology/information. So basically, they were a really lovely enemy with no logic behind their existence that writers just held onto way too long. At least the founder war it seemed like folks had written themselves into a corner before deux ex machina, space fleet wins.
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Feb 25, 2017 12:08
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I quite like the not-canon canon that suggests V'ger was part of the Borg at its more earlier stage of life.
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WMain00 posted:I quite like the not-canon canon that suggests V'ger was part of the Borg at its more earlier stage of life. V'ger was the first borg queen. all the drones gathered around and hosed it until it developed sentience. A time-traveling Janeway was lurking in the corner, watching the whole thing.
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Feb 25, 2017 14:19
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i'm amazed they didnt just make the borg queen also be janeway
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Feb 25, 2017 14:36
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The future-person communicating with the
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WMain00 posted:I quite like the not-canon canon that suggests V'ger was part of the Borg at its more earlier stage of life. The Borg can't be defeated by the power of love
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Feb 25, 2017 16:14
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worf: assimilate this (ejaculates)
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Feb 25, 2017 16:36
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The Human Crouton posted:I used to think of the Borg as a bunch of individuals from different races forced into constantly thinking the thoughts of trillions of people at once, and the only thought that was common enough among trillions of minds and thousands of species is: propagate and expand. If you were in that hive for long enough you eventually take on that personality even if you are separated from the hivemind. They were pretty scary then. I think the more "accurate" version of the Borg suggested by assimilation should be they all look relatively identical. Beep-boop, we have assimilated a race with eyes that can see 20% further with perfect clarity. Screening for optimum strand of the relevant genes through all several-billion members of their race and rewriting genetic code in all existing Drones to upgrade them.
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Hector Beerlioz posted:The Borg can't be defeated by the power of love The thing that really, really made me hate Nero was when someone linked a page of the supplemental comic or some poo poo. He went and upgraded his ship with borg tech, and the borg tried to assimilate him, but they couldn't... assimilate his ~*~HATE~*~. Direct quote.
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Feb 25, 2017 17:41
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lol of course nero got his kewl missiles from the loving borg
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Feb 25, 2017 18:19
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But can the Borg assimilate the Beastie Boys?
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Feb 25, 2017 18:23
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Blockade posted:But can the Borg assimilate the Beastie Boys? Why would they want to???
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Feb 25, 2017 18:24
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Party page 400 is just around the corner everyone!
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Neddy Seagoon posted:I think the more "accurate" version of the Borg suggested by assimilation should be they all look relatively identical. Beep-boop, we have assimilated a race with eyes that can see 20% further with perfect clarity. Screening for optimum strand of the relevant genes through all several-billion members of their race and rewriting genetic code in all existing Drones to upgrade them. But you see, they've also assimilated bean counters and middle managers. So the collective now possesses incredibly efficient ROI calculations, which indicate that it's not worth the expense to upgrade the eyesight of a drone whose duties consist of shuffling back and forth through a foggy hallway on a cube and occasionally pointing his hand's twiddly bits at some wall greebles.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:I think the more "accurate" version of the Borg suggested by assimilation should be they all look relatively identical. Beep-boop, we have assimilated a race with eyes that can see 20% further with perfect clarity. Screening for optimum strand of the relevant genes through all several-billion members of their race and rewriting genetic code in all existing Drones to upgrade them. That would make more narrative sense if they were coldly and logically eliminating drones incapable for whatever reason of attaining the new standards of perfection they were always achieving. Instead of literally trillions of drones of every random person they come across in millions of ships, all completely unstoppable powerhouses nobody can hope to even see and survive except voyager you might have something that sounds more realistic in size, doesn't control most of the galaxy, is more rare to run across and is actually plausible as an unstoppable threat due to constant evolution instead of a bunch of pasty trash heaps that can adapt instantly to any technobabble but are easily tricked by starfleet captains. Space Crabs fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Feb 25, 2017 |
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counterfeitsaint posted:The thing that really, really made me hate Nero was when someone linked a page of the supplemental comic or some poo poo. He went and upgraded his ship with borg tech, and the borg tried to assimilate him, but they couldn't... assimilate his ~*~HATE~*~. Direct quote. By this logic, O'brien can't be assimilated due to his constant depression.
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Feb 25, 2017 18:30
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in the new star trek it will be explained that the borg are actually the reason for ww2, complete with flashbacks of hitler visiting werner von braun while drones lurk in the background tinkering with v2 rockets. therefore they are also responsible for the space race.
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happyhippy posted:By this logic, O'brien can't be assimilated due to his constant depression. After assimilating O'Brian the borg retreat back into their own territory and spend the majority of their resources on simulations of 18th-20th century trains.
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