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ReindeerF posted:They're going to need considerably longer knives this time around. And more time for the stabbing. Hell, it may take all night!
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Doesn't speak a lot to the "scandals", but this is an interesting look at the dynamics of Christie's administration and how it ran. (The title is bizarrely misleading, ignore that) http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/29/nyregion/for-christie-politics-team-kept-a-focus-on-two-bids.html edit: they literally changed the title as I posted this (from "bids" to "races")
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I was just coming to see if that was posted. Man, they really drive a stake through the already flimsy concept that he was just caught unawares.
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I just find it hilarious that even people from this area (NY/NJ) think that there's even a scintilla of truth behind governor Jek Porkins not knowing what was going on. It's even more farcical that people around here actually believe that the Port Authority would just wake up on a lark and say "Hay lets have a traffic study!"..or do anything instantaneously. It's the loving Port Authority. It'd be like if the TBTA just decided to close down 2 lanes of the Whitestone at 3:15 PM some random Wednesday 'just because.' These Authorities telescope their traffic pattern intentions for literally MONTHS if not YEARS beforehand depending on the size of the project being undertaken. Somebody made a phone call to make this happen and that somebody was Chris loving Christie.
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TyroneGoldstein posted:I just find it hilarious that even people from this area (NY/NJ) think that there's even a scintilla of truth behind governor Jek Porkins not knowing what was going on. Basically this is what everyone suspects to be the case but doesn't want to step up in public and take the first real stab at accusing without hard evidence. The fact that people in the NJGOP felt the commuter-heavy city of Fort Lee somehow didn't deserve those four ramp lanes really just adds weight to it. The NJ Supreme Court story really seems plausible given the dates and the "oh you want to roadblock my appointees? NOW IT IS YOU WITH THE TRAFFIC JAM AH-AH-AH" which is just the kind of shitbag thing a douchecannon like Christie would do for revenge.
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The Entire Universe posted:The NJ Supreme Court story really seems plausible given the dates and the "oh you want to roadblock my appointees? NOW IT IS YOU WITH THE TRAFFIC JAM AH-AH-AH" which is just the kind of shitbag thing a douchecannon like Christie would do for revenge. It's like some sort of third rate supervillian. "You dare cross me? Prepare to be inconvenienced!"
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Christie Knew About Lane Closings, Ex-Port Authority Official Says The Governor could not be reached for comment, though a male voice was heard in the background screaming "Cocksucking motherfuckers!" when reporters contacted his office. (Wildstein flipped on him.)
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The Warszawa posted:Christie Knew About Lane Closings, Ex-Port Authority Official Says Ah, and was just coming to post this. Good, I'm enjoying seeing his Hubris destroy him. It's like reading those Greek tragedies in high school, with some Jersey sprinkles on top
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Looking forward to this coming out on the news tonight and this weekend. I wonder how long Christie will try and hang on if this is true. Edit: Wildstein's lawyer says he has direct evidence linking Christie wow, can't believe Christie bothered to try covering this up. ascii genitals fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Jan 31, 2014 |
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The Warszawa posted:Christie Knew About Lane Closings, Ex-Port Authority Official Says It's pretty much over for him now, isn't it? How long until they start up the impeachment proceedings? Days? Hours?
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So what was Christie thinking when he gave that press conference where he slammed his own aids / appointees and denied all knowledge? Was his calculation really just "Wildstein, Kelly and co are just going to quietly let me throw them under the bus"? Was he just flailing wildly in a desperate bid to preserve his presidential ambitions or was there some reason at the time to think that the people he was sacrificing would stay quiet on his involvement? Then again I really cannot fathom why he would have tried to pull off a scheme like this in the first place. This is seriously right up there with Nixon bugging the Watergate hotel to help him win an election that he was almost certainly going to win anyway. Its a remarkable example of somebody's ridiculously machiavellian personality leading them to commit a massive self inflicted wound.
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Rygar201 posted:It's like reading those Greek tragedies in high school, with some Jersey sprinkles on top I think they call them jimmies there.
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I check Drudge once or twice daily. I just checked it and saw Christie's mug with "HE KNEW" underneath. I haven't cracked a smile that wide in a LOOOOOONG time. Burn baby burn and clear the way for my mythical perfect GOP candidate that of course will never materialize.
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Helsing posted:So what was Christie thinking when he gave that press conference where he slammed his own aids / appointees and denied all knowledge? Was his calculation really just "Wildstein, Kelly and co are just going to quietly let me throw them under the bus"? Was he just flailing wildly in a desperate bid to preserve his presidential ambitions or was there some reason at the time to think that the people he was sacrificing would stay quiet on his involvement? Well, I figured that his aides must have gotten some kind of secret golden handshake. You know, "Do this for me, make sure I'm untouched, and I will pay you back tenfold from the White House." Maybe they didn't think his chances were great, or perhaps the offer he made wasn't good enough. I would find it hard to believe he was so dumb as to make no offer at all.
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Jan 31, 2014 22:22
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Chris Christie posted:I check Drudge once or twice daily. I just checked it and saw Christie's mug with "HE KNEW" underneath. Zombie Teddy Roosevelt 2016.
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Helsing posted:So what was Christie thinking when he gave that press conference where he slammed his own aids / appointees and denied all knowledge? Was his calculation really just "Wildstein, Kelly and co are just going to quietly let me throw them under the bus"? Was he just flailing wildly in a desperate bid to preserve his presidential ambitions or was there some reason at the time to think that the people he was sacrificing would stay quiet on his involvement? What choice did he have? If he hadn't tossed his cronies overboard he would have sunk right then and there. His only hope was to heap the blame on some underlings, fire them, and hope they could be persuaded to keep their mouths shut. It was a slim hope, and it doesn't seem to have worked. Of course, the claim is coming from this guy's defense attorney so perhaps there's nothing to really back it up. But if he's got something that shows Christie knew in real-time, then it's the final nail in his piano crate.
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This is the problem when people are loyal to you out of fear instead of love. They'll roll over like nobody's business the minute things get lovely.
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The Insect Court posted:What choice did he have? Tell the truth??? Hell, he could have even not told the truth, and just been vague and took responsibility. "I'm the governor this is my fault the buck stops here." No throwing people under the bus, no "its the underlings fault." Hahahahaha who am I kidding.
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I for one am looking forward to watching Rand Paul and Scott Walker tearing into each other like two starved dogs fighting over a bone.TheBalor posted:Well, I figured that his aides must have gotten some kind of secret golden handshake. You know, "Do this for me, make sure I'm untouched, and I will pay you back tenfold from the White House." Maybe they didn't think his chances were great, or perhaps the offer he made wasn't good enough. Yeah this is what I initially assumed as well, because it really seemed like if he didn't have some reason to believe that his aids were gonna take the wrap for him then the entire house of cards he was erecting was inevitably gonna tumble down. Then again given how ridiculous this entire scandal his maybe he really was just scrambling blindly to save himself. I mean the entire scheme seems to have been founded on some incredibly ill conceived political instincts on Christie's part so who knows.
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Helsing posted:So what was Christie thinking when he gave that press conference where he slammed his own aids / appointees and denied all knowledge? Was his calculation really just "Wildstein, Kelly and co are just going to quietly let me throw them under the bus"? Was he just flailing wildly in a desperate bid to preserve his presidential ambitions or was there some reason at the time to think that the people he was sacrificing would stay quiet on his involvement? Hubris, same reason politicians often get nailed this way. He's used to being able to change reality and ran into a brick wall when it didn't move.
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Chris Christie posted:I check Drudge once or twice daily. I just checked it and saw Christie's mug with "HE KNEW" underneath. 
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So what's the over/under on actual charges/impeachment being brought up against Christie now if there is (while probably not bullet-proof) evidence of him being knowledgeable and complacent (if not a willing participant) in some fairly large scale abuses of office?
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I really thought Wildstein had some weird thing he was trying to pull while protecting Christie with the whole "Well maybe if you gave me immunity..." thing but apparently not. Goodnight you sick gently caress, I know you don't actually care about anything else so here's hoping Bruce Springsteen shits on you again and makes you cry.
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It also occurs to me that this entire scheme seems particularly unhinged in light of the fact that the Democrats control the state legislature. I know that Christie had some fairly strong alliances with part of the Democratic party of NJ but it still seems incredibly dangerous to be pulling these kinds of stunts when the opposition has full power to launch investigations or subpoena witnesses.
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Helsing posted:It also occurs to me that this entire scheme seems particularly unhinged in light of the fact that the Democrats control the state legislature. I know that Christie had some fairly strong alliances with part of the Democratic party of NJ but it still seems incredibly dangerous to be pulling these kinds of stunts when the opposition has full power to launch investigations or subpoena witnesses. Christie was better friends with the Democrats than with the Republicans. It's a weird situation over here.
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The Insect Court posted:What choice did he have? Not doing something so petty and lovely in the first place comes to mind.
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Helsing posted:So what was Christie thinking when he gave that press conference where he slammed his own aids / appointees and denied all knowledge? "It worked for Reagan"
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It seems logical that he would think he could get away with it. He had a solid national reputation and the beltway adored him. He'd been doing poo poo like this prior to the bridge closure and gotten away with it. He just got too comfortable with the idea of being untouchable.
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Helsing posted:I for one am looking forward to watching Rand Paul and Scott Walker tearing into each other like two starved dogs fighting over a bone. I'm looking forward to Steve Schirripa's Golden Globe-winning performance in the inevitable HBO biopic.
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Someone should prank call Scott Walker and pretend to be Reince Priebus like immeidately.
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hobbesmaster posted:"It worked for Reagan" Yeah well Reagan managed to come off as folksy, personable, and sincerein the eyes of gullible schmuckswhen he did his not-really mea culpas, which counts for a lot. Governor Loudmouth, not so much. In other words, pretty much what evilweasel said
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Someone should prank call Scott Walker and pretend to be Reince Priebus like immeidately. I'm too sober at the moment.
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Jan 31, 2014 23:21
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quote:“evidence exists as well tying Mr. Christie to having knowledge of the lane closures, during the period when the lanes were closed, contrary to what the governor stated publicly in a two-hour press conference” three weeks ago. Interesting phrase, would indicate that there's no evidence he ordered it.
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Abel Wingnut posted:Assuming he's ousted from office, who's likely to replace him? Lt. Governor is first up, then Senate President, followed by Legislature Speaker. (If the Lt. Governor goes, then we get a McGreevey situation again, where the Senate President is head a legislative chamber and chief executive.) OJ MIST 2 THE DICK fucked around with this message at 23:53 on Jan 31, 2014 |
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Xandu posted:Interesting phrase, would indicate that there's no evidence he ordered it. But would that make any substantive difference after that press conference? I guess for his legal battles from here on out.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:But would that make any substantive difference after that press conference? I guess for his legal battles from here on out. Nope. Christie brought it so hard that anything contradicting any part of his salvo will be treated just as if it contradicted the entire thing. And maybe it should be, if he was gonna get so indignant and start crushing his aides, he probably deserves to take some extra blame even if it is invalid.
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ayn rand hand job posted:Lt. Governor is first up, then Senate President, followed by Legislature Speaker. Gods, why does your state allow this?
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Did we ever figure out who said "Is it wrong that I'm smiling"? If it wasn't somebody else, it could fit Christie as far as knowing about it while it was going on.
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