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Great White Hope posted:Eric Young isn't that much more of a joke than Randy Orton, and is about 10000 times more credible than Magnus. You are comparing someone who is a multiple time world champion and won the last money in the bank to Eric Young whom was 1/2 of the last Knockout Tag Team Champion. Lol ok
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Randy Orton had a lovely reign, played second fiddle to HHH and was pushed as undeserving. Yes. But let's not pretend he was a guy who was on the level of Eric Young: Comedy Goof since 2006 who not even a year ago was well over a year into a tag reign in the women's division.
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May 4, 2014 03:19
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NotQuiteQuentin posted:You are comparing someone who is a multiple time world champion and won the last money in the bank to Eric Young whom was 1/2 of the last Knockout Tag Team Champion. Oh, if that came off as a defense of TNA, it wasn't. The Eric Young storyline (and about 99% of TNA storylines) is complete trash. But Eric Young can win matches clean. WWE World Heavyweight Champion Randy Orton lost to Kofi Kingston clean. HulkaMatt posted:But let's not pretend he was a guy who was on the level of Eric Young: Comedy Goof since 2006 who not even a year ago was well over a year into a tag reign in the women's division. How credible would you consider Damien Sandow and Fandango? Those two beat Kofi less than a month before his clean win over Orton. rare Magic card l00k fucked around with this message at 03:26 on May 4, 2014 |
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May 4, 2014 03:20
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As one of the only people on the forum usually willing to get into the 'Eric Young doesn't suck he's just given bad material' argument in favor of him even I can't support calling him more credible than Randy Orton.
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May 4, 2014 03:27
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Mr. Carlisle posted:As one of the only people on the forum usually willing to get into the 'Eric Young doesn't suck he's just given bad material' argument in favor of him even I can't support calling him more credible than Randy Orton. When did I call him more credible than Orton? All I said is that he wasn't massively far below him, and was a huge step up from Magnus. Maybe I'm the crazy one who doesn't think highly of Fandango though!
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May 4, 2014 03:33
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I see you are splitting hairs soGreat White Hope posted:"Good matches" is the most TNA has ever been able to deliver on a somewhat regular basis. Eric Young isn't that much more of a joke than Randy Orton, and is about 10000 times more credible than Magnus. You said 'isn't that much more of a joke than Randy Orton' so basically the same thing with a different way of saying it. Either way saying that Young's career is anywhere near the same level of success and popularity that cause people to talk about Orton far more seriously as a threat in a wrestleman champion sense is silly. Unless your entire argument is how they are booked and even then it's silly because if someone is booked to be a strong champion in a forest and no one is around to get a papered ticket to see it.. does it make a sound?
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May 4, 2014 03:36
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Mr. Carlisle posted:I see you are splitting hairs so I don't watch wrestling to enjoy things that happened 5 years ago. If I did, I'd take Kofi Kingston a lot more seriously rather than looking at him as "Oh, it's that guy who never does anything that matters". I don't take Mark Henry, The Great Khali, or Dolph Ziggler seriously as threats anymore, because their time as a serious threat is gone. I care about what a guy offers now. Did it matter that Mark Henry was a midcard dork forever (with constant teases of mattering until he sucked or got injured or WWE got bored) when he became happy killer Mark Henry, starting murdering all the things, and bench pressed cheers? No, it was awesome and I loved every second of it (until WWE got bored and made him a stupid loser). Was I supposed to go "GOD THE FAT GUY WAS A poo poo WRESTLER, I CANNOT TAKE HIM SERIOUSLY"? If someone is treated like a dumb loser right now, that is how I will treat them. I don't care that Dolph Ziggler is a 2-time World Heavyweight Champion, he's a loser. If he were to beat Daniel Bryan tomorrow for the World Heavyweight Championship, it would be far below putting the TNA World Title on Eric Young, should the storylines be the same. Now, the Eric Young storyline is completely awful, but it's TNA and I've accepted that the storylines are awful and I don't care except to laugh at them. I look at Randy Orton and go "That guy can't even beat Fandango-level opponents, what a loving loser" and consider Orton's post-Summerslam title reign to have been among the weakest I can think of. You might have to get into the non-wrestler/Magnus reigns to get to guys whose reigns I can say for sure I consider less credible than Orton's.
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Great White Hope posted:How credible would you consider Damien Sandow and Fandango? Those two beat Kofi less than a month before his clean win over Orton. Not credible? Don't think it makes him as much of a joke as the Eric Young character though. It was a really badly booked reign though.
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Great White Hope posted:I don't watch wrestling to enjoy things that happened 5 years ago. If I did, I'd take Kofi Kingston a lot more seriously rather than looking at him as "Oh, it's that guy who never does anything that matters". I don't take Mark Henry, The Great Khali, or Dolph Ziggler seriously as threats anymore, because their time as a serious threat is gone. So basically by your method of thinking every champion in WWE for the last few years that isn't John Cena is a dumb loser then. Didn't know there were people that actually formed their entire opinion on any given wrestler solely based on (typically bad across the board) wrestling booking but here we are. Edit: Either way comparing Eric Young to Randy Orton is still weird he's been in or near the main event in the biggest company in the world for years Orange Carlisle fucked around with this message at 04:14 on May 4, 2014 |
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May 4, 2014 04:09
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WWE booking guys other than John Cena (and babyface Orton/Sheamus) to look like crap (especially midcard champions) was a problem for a while, yes. I'm pretty sure this is well established. But even then there's a world of difference between 'cowardly heel' and 'loses to guys multiple tiers below your belt clean'.
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May 4, 2014 04:18
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Pretty much every main eventer has lost to someone 'far below them' in recent years and the concept of some guys being far below others is one of the problems with how the rosters on wrestling promotions are booked. This is just gonna go round and round so I'll pass.
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May 4, 2014 04:22
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Mr. Carlisle posted:Didn't know there were people that actually formed their entire opinion on any given wrestler solely based on (typically bad across the board) wrestling booking but here we are. When did I say this affected how much I care about the wrestler themselves? I love Mark Henry, I love Heath Slater and Drew McIntyre, I've loved all sorts of guys who, if you asked me, are losers. Awesome, terribly (or so perfectly in Heath's case) booked, but losers. But just because I love the guy playing the character on television, how well he performs said character, and even the character itself does not mean I take their character as a serious threat. Maybe wrestling has passed me by, since wins and losses mattering makes you insane. I'll be sure to point out that Bryan's belt is actually just a stupid meaningless piece of metal when people get upset he loses it.
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May 4, 2014 04:30
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Mark Henry is a big, large dude. He will always have a level of credibility purely because of that fact. That's why he can do Hall of Pain monster heel title runs after years in the midcard tagging with MVP and/or being sexual chocolate. Also using the transitive property to say Randy Orton = fandango through Kofi Kingston is the dumbest thing. The Kofi loss was treated as a massive fluke at the time and was quickly forgotten.
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May 4, 2014 04:54
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I think Randy losing to Kofi was more of a running gag than anything else. I think he's only beat Kofi once or twice ever, champion or not. It's like Kofi the curtain jerking jobber is just a guy that always has Orton's number. It's weird.
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May 4, 2014 04:55
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Blasmeister posted:Mark Henry is a big, large dude. He will always have a level of credibility purely because of that fact. That's why he can do Hall of Pain monster heel title runs after years in the midcard tagging with MVP and/or being sexual chocolate. Also using the transitive property to say Randy Orton = fandango through Kofi Kingston is the dumbest thing. The Kofi loss was treated as a massive fluke at the time and was quickly forgotten. I wasn't saying Orton = Fandango. I was saying that "Look how goddamn low on the totem pole Kofi was, that's who Orton lost to." And it says everything lovely about Orton's booking that a nothing like Kofi beating the top guy in the company was treated as a "Ha, that didn't matter at all" moment. That's a point against Orton, not a point in his favor.
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So do we think Spike would be interested in picking up another wrestling show if they don't renew with TNA? I'd love to see what ROH or Jarrett's new promotion could do with that kind of exposure.
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May 4, 2014 05:17
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Burt Buckle posted:So do we think Spike would be interested in picking up another wrestling show if they don't renew with TNA? I'd love to see what ROH or Jarrett's new promotion could do with that kind of exposure. I imagine Spike will be content with Cops reruns until something neat pops up. Maybe if they really wanted something original there they'd try to move Bellator's slot.
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May 4, 2014 05:19
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Burt Buckle posted:So do we think Spike would be interested in picking up another wrestling show if they don't renew with TNA? I'd love to see what ROH or Jarrett's new promotion could do with that kind of exposure.
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Perigryn posted:Well, Jarret's promotion is out of the question since one of the terms of his leaving TNA was to not to try and bring it to Spike. I doubt ROH would go anywhere not owned by Sinclair.
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HulkaMatt posted:I mean in terms of someone who would have good matches I guess. "Best of a bad bunch" is what I'm going for, really. Samoa Joe should probably be champion right now after an extended feud with Magnus, but EY will do. I think Magnus could have been a good champion but the way he was booked it made Randy Orton look like the most dominant fighting champion of all time.
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May 4, 2014 12:58
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Samoa Joe should have been champ from about 2006 and should be on his 8th year as champ by now.
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In the abstract EY having the title is fine. He's good. It's just that the specific approach has been "randomly put the belt on him and see what happens."
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quote:Plus many superstars to be announced! Because that's all the roster they'll have left at that point. We run a tight ship here with only thirteen people 
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May 4, 2014 23:06
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Gonzo McFee posted:Samoa Joe should have been champ from about 2006 and should be on his 8th year as champ by now. AJ Styles, probably the biggest "TNA-made" star ever on their roster held the heavyweight title exactly twice after the split from NWA. TNA has done a lot of stupid poo poo in a comparatively short amount of time.
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May 4, 2014 23:08
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I'll give TNA some credit. EC3 is really good at twitter
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May 4, 2014 23:11
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Gail could have a decent feud with Paige. I've only seen one or two GK matches that were good, though, so maybe it's time she makes heavyweight champ.
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May 5, 2014 00:18
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Do they usually run Wembley? That seems ambitious unless the arena is something else and I'm dumb.
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joshtothemaxx posted:Do they usually run Wembley? That seems ambitious unless the arena is something else and I'm dumb. The arena seats 12,500 so it's still pretty ambitious for a company that can barely sell out a soundstage at a theme park
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Luigi Thirty posted:The arena seats 12,500 so it's still pretty ambitious for a company that can barely sell out a soundstage at a theme park They put 8000 in there the first time they ran it, and did 2500 last year. Also they're only running 3 shows and 1 TV taping this year compared to 5-6 shows and 2 TVs last year.
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May 5, 2014 01:00
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Where's Willow, who's totally not Jeff Hardy?
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May 5, 2014 13:10
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IronCladBurrito posted:Where's Willow, who's totally not Jeff Hardy? Willow is too busy playing Abyss and/or Tigre Uno.
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May 5, 2014 13:15
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IronCladBurrito posted:Where's Willow, who's totally not Jeff Hardy? Banned from coming to the UK for being a studid (ex?) druggie.
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May 5, 2014 13:21
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Grendels Dad posted:Banned from coming to the UK for being a studid (ex?) druggie. :thatsthejoke:
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May 5, 2014 13:24
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It's me, I am the joke 
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May 5, 2014 13:28
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coconono posted:How many of these people will still be with the company? Nobody because TNA will be dead.
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May 5, 2014 15:41
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I could swear Gunner was leaving after the blow-off match at Sacrifice. What's the deal there? E: Or was it someone else in that feud?
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DJExile posted:I could swear Gunner was leaving after the blow-off match at Sacrifice. What's the deal there? I think both guys signed long-term extensions a month or so ago because
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