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Sindai
Jan 24, 2007
i want to achieve immortality through not dying

Captain Beans posted:

How does the "two teams of four" work in multiplayer?

Are the two teams on opposing sides? Do you ever dogfight human pilots? Or is it all coop vs AI?
It's all coop vs the AI. You get points for killing things (more points for tougher targets, and the radar symbols are colored according to value so you don't have to guess) and the two teams basically race to see who can get more points.

Also when you target something there are pips indicating how many people from your team or the other team are targeting the same thing, so you can try to steal peoples' kills or avoid having your kills stolen. It's all pretty cleverly implemented on top of the traditional AC 4-6 gameplay.

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Tequila
Apr 16, 2002
DRIVE BY RANDOM TITLING! YOU MAY BE NEXT!
Was there a beta exclusive skin or was it just beta only? I vaguely remember there being one when I tried out the beta but I don't seem to have access to one now.

Levantine
Feb 14, 2005

GUNDAM!!!
I will try to join you guys on Saturday if there's still room.

Hobo on Fire
Dec 4, 2008

Been playing this for a few days now, psn is rbo818 if anyone sees me online and wants another goon to run with. I'm digging the throwbacks to the PS2 era games. I've always preferred playing ground attack in high speed aircraft, so I like the F4G, but this Desert Rock F16 is just too much fun. Somehow I managed to score 55k in Tokyo with the drat thing still at level 1 and only a tail actuator equipped. :stare:

Are there any alternate skins for this thing, or is it waiting for Namdai to release something other than tiger stripes?

PunkBoy
Aug 22, 2008

You wanna get through this?

Skwerl posted:

4 human players per team
or
2 human 2 AI vs 2 human 2 AI

Also was reading the Ace Combat artbook yesterday, found something that werent covered in the original Ace Combat Zero:

Apparently Avalon Dam site/v2 control facility wasnt found until its too late because the entire facility was hidden under the dam and covered with water at all time, so in June 20th 1995, no weapon inspector found anything in the area. It wasnt until the day of launch, they expelled the water and the facility was exposed.

Woah woah where can I get this.

GOTTA STAY FAI
Mar 24, 2005

~no glitter in the gutter~
~no twilight galaxy~
College Slice

Hobo on Fire posted:

Been playing this for a few days now, psn is rbo818 if anyone sees me online and wants another goon to run with. I'm digging the throwbacks to the PS2 era games. I've always preferred playing ground attack in high speed aircraft, so I like the F4G, but this Desert Rock F16 is just too much fun. Somehow I managed to score 55k in Tokyo with the drat thing still at level 1 and only a tail actuator equipped. :stare:

Are there any alternate skins for this thing, or is it waiting for Namdai to release something other than tiger stripes?

There's a pink sakura blossom-themed skin that features an anime girl available for download from my dreams

Skwerl posted:

Also was reading the Ace Combat artbook yesterday, found something that werent covered in the original Ace Combat Zero:

Apparently Avalon Dam site/v2 control facility wasnt found until its too late because the entire facility was hidden under the dam and covered with water at all time, so in June 20th 1995, no weapon inspector found anything in the area. It wasnt until the day of launch, they expelled the water and the facility was exposed.

Holy poo poo, that makes perfect sense in retrospect, given the odd terrain. What a strange detail to leave out.

Also where the hell did you find an artbook?

Chaotic Neutral
Aug 29, 2011
IIRC, Aces at War was only available as part of the JP special edition of Assault Horizon, which is an interesting choice since the book exclusively covers the previous games/Strangereal stuff.

iastudent
Apr 22, 2008

Saturday works best for me as well. Probably be on sometime in the evening.

klapman
Aug 27, 2012

this char is good
Oh god, first mission I start up is Moby Dick again. please dont shoot the cockpit pubbies :(

iastudent
Apr 22, 2008

I'll be idling for a while if anyone wants to add me to their room. PSN: KitchenGun

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008

GOTTA STAY FAI posted:

There's a pink sakura blossom-themed skin that features an anime girl available for download from my dreams


Holy poo poo, that makes perfect sense in retrospect, given the odd terrain. What a strange detail to leave out.

Also where the hell did you find an artbook?

The Shield 5 emblem looks kind of like goatse so maybe you could put that on the Zipang since that is bright purple with cherry blossoms on it and it can partially fill the idolm@ster plane-shaped void in your heart

Gamwhiz1
Aug 15, 2012


Welp game only lets me join like 1/30 rooms and I'm not into spending 40 minutes looking at a "failed to join the room" message so I guess I'm out. Call me when they've fixed the netcode.

(It's weird, all the other online games I have on my ps3 routinely give me 2-3 bars out of 4 for my connection, but this one gives me the grayed-out 0 bars with a slash through em whenever I manage to get in a room. I don't have any lag and the thing runs fine when it actually wants to let me in so :shrug:)

Maybe I'll give Zero another chance in the meantime. I only ever played through it once and I remember being mildly disappointed coming off 4 and 5, but better than this!

E, vvv the latter, sadly.

Gamwhiz1 fucked around with this message at 05:15 on Jun 13, 2014

tweet my meat
Oct 2, 2013

yospos

Gamwhiz1 posted:

Welp game only lets me join like 1/30 rooms and I'm not into spending 40 minutes looking at a "failed to join the room" message so I guess I'm out. Call me when they've fixed the netcode.

(It's weird, all the other online games I have on my ps3 routinely give me 2-3 bars out of 4 for my connection, but this one gives me the grayed-out 0 bars with a slash through em whenever I manage to get in a room. I don't have any lag and the thing runs fine when it actually wants to let me in so :shrug:)

Maybe I'll give Zero another chance in the meantime. I only ever played through it once and I remember being mildly disappointed coming off 4 and 5, but better than this!

Are you using quick match or actually searching for a room. If it's the former, do the latter.

GOTTA STAY FAI
Mar 24, 2005

~no glitter in the gutter~
~no twilight galaxy~
College Slice
Yeah, Room Search + "Everybody let's have fun here" works great for me most days. Quick Match isn't all that quick for some reason :rolleyes:

iastudent
Apr 22, 2008

I always do Room Search set to "Best Connection Only" for the host. Or just make my own room.

Valcione
Sep 12, 2007
For All Brave Silpheed Pilots


ninjahedgehog posted:

Incidentally, has anyone here ever fought Moby Dick III? I wound up looking it up on YouTube, and holy poo poo It's gold-plated and covered with loving laser cannons. :stare:

I have, once. I got shot down a lot but we did manage to finish it with a B-Rank with about 18 seconds to spare. Worth a ton of cash.

iastudent
Apr 22, 2008

Couple new special challenges popped up this morning.
  • Sortie in Typhoon and use HCAA to destroy 500 targets - Merc Contract + 5 Special Weapons Research Reports
  • Sortie in Su-34 and use 4AGM to destroy 500 targets - Merc Contract + 5 Special Weapons Research Reports
  • Destroy 4 TGT/SP targets in 2 hours - 1 Stocked Fuel
  • Sortie in F-16C and use 4AAM to destroy 4 targets - Supplied Fuel (doesn't specify how much) + 1000 credits
  • Sortie in Mirage 2000-5 and use 4AGM to destroy 4 targets - Supplied Fuel (doesn't specify how much) + 1000 credits

iastudent fucked around with this message at 14:45 on Jun 13, 2014

GOTTA STAY FAI
Mar 24, 2005

~no glitter in the gutter~
~no twilight galaxy~
College Slice
Has anyone figured out whether there is or is not a rank requirement for the Zipang? I'd like to get it before the event ends.

Weissritter
Jun 14, 2012

GOTTA STAY FAI posted:

Has anyone figured out whether there is or is not a rank requirement for the Zipang? I'd like to get it before the event ends.

There is not from what I read on different forums.

iastudent
Apr 22, 2008

iastudent posted:

  • Destroy 4 TGT/SP targets in 2 hours - 1 Stocked Fuel

Awesome, looks like this challenge is repeatable, every 2 days.

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008

GOTTA STAY FAI posted:

Has anyone figured out whether there is or is not a rank requirement for the Zipang? I'd like to get it before the event ends.

Well I'm at 1st Lieutenant and I got it, and I'd be surprised if you haven't reached that rank yet. The drop rate for it seems pretty low though, I only got it 2 days ago and I usually get in at least three games a day.

gyger
Feb 19, 2010

iastudent posted:

Couple new special challenges popped up this morning.
  • Sortie in Typhoon and use HCAA to destroy 500 targets - Merc Contract + 5 Special Weapons Research Reports
  • Sortie in Su-34 and use 4AGM to destroy 500 targets - Merc Contract + 5 Special Weapons Research Reports

Take note these two involve two planes at the end of separate tech trees, say goodbye to any directed research and your credits if you wish to complete them.

iastudent posted:

Couple new special challenges popped up this morning.
  • Sortie in F-16C and use 4AAM to destroy 4 targets - Supplied Fuel (doesn't specify how much) + 1000 credits
  • Sortie in Mirage 2000-5 and use 4AGM to destroy 4 targets - Supplied Fuel (doesn't specify how much) + 1000 credits

These two give 1 supplied fuel each and are daily. Purchasing a Mirage will let you complete another challenge.

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"
Man I wanted to play a game where I get to fly a Mig-21 around but then I realized my brother sold off his PS3s.

Insane Totoro
Dec 5, 2005

Take cover!!!
That Totoro has an AR-15!

iastudent posted:

Couple new special challenges popped up this morning.
  • Sortie in F-16C and use 4AAM to destroy 4 targets - Supplied Fuel (doesn't specify how much) + 1000 credits
  • Sortie in Mirage 2000-5 and use 4AGM to destroy 4 targets - Supplied Fuel (doesn't specify how much) + 1000 credits

Yeah but then you have to fly F-16s and Mirages :(

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008
The challenge to destroy 4 targets marked SP or TGT also repeats, but every other day, and gives a stocked fuel.

iastudent
Apr 22, 2008

Insane Totoro posted:

Yeah but then you have to fly F-16s and Mirages :(

I get at least 30k score on Pipeline with a Mirage. If I can do it, so can you. :colbert:

Insane Totoro
Dec 5, 2005

Take cover!!!
That Totoro has an AR-15!
Yeah but the Harrier and Hornet are way cooler :(

iastudent posted:

Good flying with you this morning, KingTotoro. To answer your question from earlier, the Moby Dick missions pop up randomly after completing a sortie.

And I hit captain this morning. :patriot:

IT IS A MYSTERY

Also good flying that morning. I had a Merc contract activated that day!

Insane Totoro fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Jun 13, 2014

Skwerl
Sep 3, 2006
damn kids...
finally got my first moby dick iii...
forced sortie 3 fuels, s ranked it.....got about 250k because I wasnt the MVP and I crashed twice.


and got 2 fuels back in random drop.

Insane Totoro
Dec 5, 2005

Take cover!!!
That Totoro has an AR-15!
RE: Moby Dick Pursuit III

quote:

Similar to the other Moby Dick Pursuits, the only objective in this mission is to destroy the Aigaion-class heavy command cruiser. The one that appears here is colored gold and is armed with numerous laser units that fire lasers consistently in a sweeping pattern. They fire at all angles in all directions from the cruiser, meaning all players flying close are vulnerable to laser fire. Additionally, the lasers will shoot down all player ordnance (exactly like the MQ-90Ls), so machine guns are the best way to destroy the laser units. The laser units do give the players one advantage: this cruiser does not carry Nimbus cruise missiles.

Well poo poo.

GOTTA STAY FAI
Mar 24, 2005

~no glitter in the gutter~
~no twilight galaxy~
College Slice

Pornographic Memory posted:

Well I'm at 1st Lieutenant and I got it, and I'd be surprised if you haven't reached that rank yet. The drop rate for it seems pretty low though, I only got it 2 days ago and I usually get in at least three games a day.

I'm lagging behind due to lack of time to play. I'm at 2nd Lieutenant #20ish at the moment, but I have plenty of stocked fuel for tomorrow.

Tequila
Apr 16, 2002
DRIVE BY RANDOM TITLING! YOU MAY BE NEXT!
Do the missile upgrades make a huge difference, or is there a trick to getting your missiles to hit more reliably that I'm unaware of?

I am pretty terrible at air combat in general, which is pretty important in a game focused around planes. However I'm sticking around because I'm having a much better time with attackers. I'd ultimately like to get an A-10 but I'm hoping my floundering around doesn't impede my progress to the point where I get burnt out and quit before that happens.

Levantine
Feb 14, 2005

GUNDAM!!!

Tequila posted:

Do the missile upgrades make a huge difference, or is there a trick to getting your missiles to hit more reliably that I'm unaware of?

I am pretty terrible at air combat in general, which is pretty important in a game focused around planes. However I'm sticking around because I'm having a much better time with attackers. I'd ultimately like to get an A-10 but I'm hoping my floundering around doesn't impede my progress to the point where I get burnt out and quit before that happens.

They make a difference which is greater the more parts you equip. You can also change your datalink effect to give your missiles greater homing as well. It adds up until you find yourself reliably hitting the F35's, F22's and T50's in emergency missions.

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008
Basically to hit planes fire from the rear ~180 degrees behind them, don't launch missiles when an enemy plane is in a sharp turn, and pay attention to what kind of target it is. A yellow plane on the radar will be so dumb you can often fire missiles at them from any angle and score hits. Orange planes are not much better, and if you are anywhere behind them you are almost guaranteed a kill. Reds and SP/TGT planes are where it gets tricky, and in those cases I'd say fire from close range (~3,000 or so), only when they're going straight ahead, and watch very carefully because a lot of times when it seems like they're going straight they're actually pulling really tight-rear end Immelmans that will make your missiles miss.

Skwerl
Sep 3, 2006
damn kids...
would also add that do a lot of fire and forget, if you get a good angle and launch the missiles, go for the next target immediately instead of waiting for visual confirmation.

Skwerl fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Jun 13, 2014

Insane Totoro
Dec 5, 2005

Take cover!!!
That Totoro has an AR-15!
Also the correct way to go through a bunch of tall buildings is to not try to twist and turn.

Slow down and hit your targets. Keep your thumb on the guns. Then go straight vertical and loop around screaming towards the ground, braking and spamming missiles. Repeat.

ninjahedgehog
Feb 17, 2011

It's time to kick the tires and light the fires, Big Bird.


Skwerl posted:

would also add that do a lot of fire and forget, if you get a good angle and launch the missiles, go for the next target immediately instead of waiting for visual confirmation.

Unless you're using SAAMs. But you can actually fire two of them at different targets and they'll both hit as long as both targets are inside the targeting circle.

Kadorhal
Jun 3, 2013

Look, just sign the stupid petition. I've got stuff to do.

ninjahedgehog posted:

Unless you're using SAAMs. But you can actually fire two of them at different targets and they'll both hit as long as both targets are inside the targeting circle.

I miss the days when I could launch an SAAM early and worry about locking on later, or redirect one if my intended target got killed by someone else, because that keeps loving happening here.

Targeting two guys at once with them isn't even that useful anyway, because two guys sticking that close usually would be easy pickings for standard missiles or guns, too, and if you know getting in close enough for that would waste too much time then some jerk on the other team with 4 or 6AAMs is probably going to get them first anyway.


That said, I took the F-15C with SAAMs to Aerospace Center Defense just now and ended up MVPing with 50,000 points and an A rank overall. Even taking into account how I used the above trick on the B-2's during the emergency mission and killed at least a third of them myself, I'm not quite sure how I did that.

Brettbot
Sep 18, 2006

After All The Prosaic Waiting... The Sun Finally Crashes Into The Earth.
Played and MVPed Moby Dick III (and triple fuel-ed it for that sweet 3.5x bonus), got the Black Morgan, White and Gold Moby Dick emblems, all today. :hellyeah:

Insane Totoro
Dec 5, 2005

Take cover!!!
That Totoro has an AR-15!
Always 3x fuel the Moby Dick missions.

The only way you can lose if you play on a completely dumb newbie team.

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Unusual
Nov 12, 2013
PSN id is Unusual_heights the pubbies in this game are pretty trash so hopefully i can join in on a game or two with some of you guys.

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