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Spoiling your ballot accomplishes nothing but wasting your time and the ballot counter's time. If you feel that way just don't vote.
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Spoiling a ballot in some 'creative' way is completely pointless. Just put the ballot in blank if you want to protest vote. A blank ballot sends a clearer message as well if they differentiate between the ways in which a ballot is spoiled.
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Oct 1, 2014 13:11
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In 2010 Labour won in my constituency with over 47% of the vote, gaining 3.5% and the SNP came second with 26% and a gain of 8%. If the Greens put a candidate up in my constituency I'll vote for them but they won't so I'll be torn between SNP and Labour. The only reason I'm even remotely considering voting Labour is because my MP is somewhat decent. My vote probably will go to the SNP.
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Oct 1, 2014 13:12
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Jack the Lad posted:Spoiling your ballot accomplishes nothing but wasting your time and the ballot counter's time. Participating in democracy is never a waste of time, even in non representative elections. Organised boycotts is one thing but just not showing up is dumb.
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Oct 1, 2014 13:12
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Bozza posted:"Heaping more poo poo" how exactly? Are we seriously arguing that someone counting ballots is going to be shaken and upset by a badly drawn dong? Will this cause them to faint in the loving polling station because of the sense of outrage they will feel as the democratic process has been so flippantly insulted? What if they like badly drawn cocks? What then eh?
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Oct 1, 2014 13:17
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namesake posted:This, and the actual hard work of determining if someone writing 'not these wankers' meant all the choices or showed an actual preference. The obviously and comically spoiled ballot is the humanitarian way to spoil. Every month when I pay my council tax
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Oct 1, 2014 13:18
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Will be voting Labour in Bristol Souf. First general election vote  Interesting thing to add here (Northern Ireland related so most of you can stop reading now). My mum is seriously considering voting for one of the nationalist parties next year because they took a stand against the Tories' insistence that the NI Assembly implement Westminster welfare reform despite all of the unique and horrible problems the place faces that result from the continuing fallout from 30 years of civil war. The fines that are being imposed on the NI Assembly's budget because of the nationalists' refusal to budge are putting her job at risk, and she had just seen Cameron on TV that evening making an anti-charity appeal to the nationalists to please not have a heart and punish your poors, but it was still quite a shock to hear her say this. We are culturally British (not the cartoon bigot kind, just insofar as we have British passports and a Scottish surname and feel much more connected to UK society than to Irish society) but she said that if a border poll were called tomorrow she would for the first time in her life have to give it serious thought. It really resonated with me having just been in Scotland for the referendum there and hearing so many people feeling almost under attack from the UK government. Can't help but wonder if Ed Milliband was onto something with his One Nation thing (what happened to that, anyway?), and you do have to give credit to our PM and Conservative and Unionist party led government for causing so many of us to question whether we want to be British  edited to tear down that wall of text gorki fucked around with this message at 13:41 on Oct 1, 2014 |
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Oct 1, 2014 13:18
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Jedit posted:And as I have to explain to you loving retarded children every single goddamn motherfucking time an election draws nigh: you are expressing your displeasure with the ruling elite by making GBS threads on the proletariat. Oh heavens above! Infamy of infamies! A momentary glance at a badly drawn cock and balls before it gets tossed in the "spoilt" pile! Did I miss that part of "combat liberalism"? quote:"The twelfth type of liberalism is drawing a cock on your pointless ballot- don't do it comrade, my granny was a ballot counter and had a cardiac arrest when someone drew a big ole' veiny dong and she got a bit het up" - Mao gently caress, sorry everyone, I have been holding back the inevitable success of the peoples revolution by drawing peenies.
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Oct 1, 2014 13:20
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Jack the Lad posted:Spoiling your ballot accomplishes nothing but wasting your time and the ballot counter's time. That gets confused with apathy though
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Oct 1, 2014 13:20
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DesperateDan posted:Oh heavens above! Infamy of infamies! A momentary glance at a badly drawn cock and balls before it gets tossed in the "spoilt" pile! Yeah this is the most spurious argument Ive heard yet. Also why the fuckign assumption that people involved in vote counting are oppressed members of the working class? They usally look like posh middle class fuckers to me.
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Oct 1, 2014 13:21
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You could indicate your voting preference by clearly drawing a crude approximation of a phallus within the box next to the name of the candidate you are voting for which would make everybody happy. Though I wouldn't do that for fear of triggering a dysphoric episode at the counting station and I don't think anyone else should either.
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Oct 1, 2014 13:28
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I just realised this is actually a passable caricature of Alex Salmond.
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Oct 1, 2014 13:28
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Jack the Lad posted:Spoiling your ballot accomplishes nothing but wasting your time and the ballot counter's time.
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Zephro posted:I just realised this is actually a passable caricature of Alex Salmond.    I can see it.
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Oct 1, 2014 13:33
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Bozza posted:"Heaping more poo poo" how exactly? Are we seriously arguing that someone counting ballots is going to be shaken and upset by a badly drawn dong? Will this cause them to faint in the loving polling station because of the sense of outrage they will feel as the democratic process has been so flippantly insulted? I think it would be sheer number of badly drawn knobs making it difficult for you to do your job in an already sleep deprived state. I kind of imagine it would be like being forced to stay up all night doing sudoku and being goatsed every few seconds. Nobody deserves that 
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Oct 1, 2014 13:35
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See? I was thinking the other day about which party leaders in Britain are actually good at their jobs, in the sense of being able to argue in a way that people find convincing, to connect with voters and so on. My list basically boiled down to Alex Salmond and Nigel Farage.
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Oct 1, 2014 13:36
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im the ballot paper. with a cock on it.
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Oct 1, 2014 13:38
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Oct 1, 2014 13:40
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They're volunteers though, aren't they? Therefore it's safe to assume that anyone volunteering to do the job wants to see badly drawn cocks. As such, it would be morally wrong to not draw a cock, because that would deprive them of their deepest desires. Looks like you're the monster after all 
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Oct 1, 2014 13:44
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what's the overlap between people who try to spoil their ballot in creative ways and people who screencap their "epic takedowns" of people they disagree with on facebook
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Oct 1, 2014 13:52
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So apparently Martin Lee and Anson Chan (two well-known democracy campaigners in Hong Kong) were over for a visit a few months back and Cameron refused to even meet them. I wonder how many times a sitting PM has deliberately snubbed someone with a GCMG. I remember, in 1997, watching as Britain promised to keep an eye out for its former colonial outpost and to make sure China honoured the commitment it signed up to in the Joint Declaration that Hong Kong would be able to elect its leaders. But then Britain has a long history of utter loving cowardice when it comes to Hong Kong, dating back to the refusal to give out proper passports in the aftermath of Tiananmen, so I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. This time round the government have said almost nothing at all about the protests, which is shameful.
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Oct 1, 2014 13:53
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The passport thing was lovely, but do you think that Cameron making a formal statement about the protests would have a positive effect? I'm sure that the Chinese government would resent anything that sounded like the West telling them how to handle affairs, and any support for the protesters could be spun into "The protests are supported by old colonialists, not a genuine will of the people."
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Oct 1, 2014 13:59
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Guavanaut posted:The passport thing was lovely, but do you think that Cameron making a formal statement about the protests would have a positive effect? It's a very awkward position. No-one wants to bring the ire of the chinese government on them. I think a cautious distance will be observed by all of the parties over this.
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Oct 1, 2014 14:11
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 If Labour were competent they might have been able to do something with this. Oh well. From here: http://twitter.com/richards_bd/status/517292577251680256/photo/1
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Oct 1, 2014 14:11
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I have no idea who to vote for, my new (but still rural) constituency has been Tory since 1909 (apart from two years where the MP crossed the floor to Labour), I could only genuinely vote for a party like TUSC or Left Unity, and the only small parties standing in my area last time were UKIP, BNP, Green and English Democrats. What am I meant to do?
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Oct 1, 2014 14:19
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Guavanaut posted:The passport thing was lovely, but do you think that Cameron making a formal statement about the protests would have a positive effect? HK poster Bloodnose has made this exact point elsewhere in D&D.
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Oct 1, 2014 14:19
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Guavanaut posted:The passport thing was lovely, but do you think that Cameron making a formal statement about the protests would have a positive effect? It's not like much is needed. Cameron could just remind China that they signed up to free elections back in 84. That would go down better than total silence. quote:No-one wants to bring the ire of the chinese government on them. Zephro fucked around with this message at 14:23 on Oct 1, 2014 |
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Oct 1, 2014 14:19
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I'll be voting SNP for the general election and discussing with SSP, RIC and Greens how to promote the best result for Scotland at the GE. I'll probably vote SSP at the Holyrood elections in 2016 and the council elections in 2017, our council government is a sham. Just to remind people that the Scottish Greens are a completely separate party to the England and Wales Green party and AFAIK are much much better when it comes to anti-science and woo stuff (as in, there's really not that much and they're all watermelons). A lot of people I respect quite a lot politically have joined the Greens, but the chance to shape a Socialist party from nothing was too good to pass up.
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Oct 1, 2014 14:23
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The Chinese government is going to say it's supported by foreigners no matter what. They've already decided it's a CIA/US/Western/James Bond conspiracy and are hammering that line good and hard. Making a statement about it is not going to make a difference in that regard. Many of the actual protesters, however, have appealed to the UK government to show some measure of even just moral support and on that account I think it would be better for the UK government to show that they aren't being ignored by the world.
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Oct 1, 2014 14:25
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mrpwase posted:I have no idea who to vote for, my new (but still rural) constituency has been Tory since 1909 (apart from two years where the MP crossed the floor to Labour), I could only genuinely vote for a party like TUSC or Left Unity, and the only small parties standing in my area last time were UKIP, BNP, Green and English Democrats. What am I meant to do? Or if you really oppose voting Green, then draw some pretty flowers instead (only so we don't get back onto dickchat).
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serious gaylord posted:It's a very awkward position. No-one wants to bring the ire of the chinese government on them. I think a cautious distance will be observed by all of the parties over this. No one is meeting the Dalai Lama either for the same reason.
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Oct 1, 2014 14:54
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I hate the working classes, so I am going to draw as many willies on my ballot paper as I possibly can, just to remind them who is in charge. Although in all likelihood, I won't even bother to walk to the voting station because my constituency is so solidly Tory that two-thirds of their voters could kill themselves the day before the election and they would still take the seat.
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Oct 1, 2014 15:10
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You realise you are all talking about an election that is at least six months away? Not that the parties are magically going to get better, but at least save that kind of useless bullshit for when it (barely) matters.
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Oct 1, 2014 15:24
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Gorn Myson posted:my constituency is so solidly Tory that two-thirds of their voters could kill themselves the day before the election and they would still take the seat. Eh, I'll take it.
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Oct 1, 2014 15:25
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Zero Gravitas posted:You realise you are all talking about an election that is at least six months away? Not that the parties are magically going to get better, but at least save that kind of useless bullshit for when it (barely) matters. With fixed-term parliaments, the election campaign never really stops. I really hate that the Tories introduced them, as it's pushing our politics in an even more American direction.
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Oct 1, 2014 15:30
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Serotonin posted:Yeah this is the most spurious argument Ive heard yet. well it's largely students and retirees wanting a bit of extra cash for a one off night's work. so yeah.
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Oct 1, 2014 15:37
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"A vote for Ukip is a vote for Labour, a vote for Ukip is a vote for Ed Miliband and Ed Balls. They are the people who will run the country if people vote Ukip." George Osbourne last week, or this thread today?
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Oct 1, 2014 15:38
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Tory Conference by Cassetteboy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YBumQHPAeU
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Oct 1, 2014 15:57
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Serotonin posted:
Assumption? I don't have to assume anything, I'm one of them. There's a regular crew of people who do it that includes street sweepers and the people who work at recycling centres, among others. I think the highest graded council employee I've ever met counting votes was PA to a departmental head. On the whole, though, your definition of "posh middle class fucker" appears to be "someone who has a job".
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Jedit do you know a guy named Nathan Morrison?
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