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i think uhh, insterad of refusing to participate in our oppression we should participate
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I've come to the conclusion that voting is not only pointless, but even if it worked fairly.. I don't think a lot of people SHOULD be voting. 99 percent know like two people on the ballot and vote for the rest off party or random bullshit. And a lot of them are total loving morons that buy every think tank email chainletter sent their way so they fight their own interests. gently caress the masses. It's time to making voting a requirement.. For highly educated people only. The whole concept as it is, well.. Chicken with it's head cut off sounds right. PS: gently caress juries of our peers, too. I never want to be judged by a group too stupid to get out of Jury Duty in a legal situation they barely understand.
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Nov 6, 2014 02:12
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Idiot Kicker posted:So what are the rules for non swing states just vote.
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Nov 6, 2014 02:13
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actually don't vote
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Nov 6, 2014 02:16
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Let's all vote for democrats because they're the good cop to the rethuglican bad cop routine. Remember, it's better to get beat up with fists than with clubs and it's not degrading or retarded at all to be obligated to make that choice every so often. Think of all the poor people and minorities whose lives you help make that more tolerable, effectively providing a safety valve to lower the pressure on a system everyone agrees has been sold to highest bidder. lol peace
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Nov 6, 2014 02:17
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rezatahs posted:actually don't vote your choice, but not cool!
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Nov 6, 2014 02:17
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It would be cool if instead of having elections there were constant coups by crazy middle ranking military officers that wore cool uniforms
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Nov 6, 2014 02:18
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Friendly Tumour posted:i think uhh, insterad of refusing to participate in our oppression we should that's a really intelligent comment, I like the part where you vote for your oppressor because he's oppressing you
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Nov 6, 2014 02:18
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Mumpy Puffinz posted:Its your civil duty. Just walk down the block and vote.  B-b-but the system doesn't perfectly reflect my liberal snowflake views, so I'll just let Republicans take control of everything. Maybe we can finally put an end to racism, sexism, and homophobia by letting Republicans set back the civil rights, feminist, and gay rights movements back by decades.
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Nov 6, 2014 02:19
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Illegal Carrot posted:
That's an awful opinion. You're vote counts!
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Nov 6, 2014 02:21
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Illegal Carrot posted:
im nursing this armchair theory that these people are rly narcissistic and/or buy into the idea of the randian superman (either consciously or subconsciously) and that since their literal single vote doesn't completely control the outcome they think voting is bad when its actually good but im gay so y'know
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Nov 6, 2014 02:23
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Blazing Ownager posted:I've come to the conclusion that voting is not only pointless, but even if it worked fairly.. I don't think a lot of people SHOULD be voting. 99 percent know like two people on the ballot and vote for the rest off party or random bullshit. There should be more science and stats in politics, the government should fund studies to evaluate the costs and benefits of doing x/y/z and then pass legislation based on what the models determine would increase the quality of life on average for the country's citizens. Stuff like abortion, gay rights, nhs, trickle down economics, etc are pretty much issues because we put kneejerk opinions and actual statistics on the same level of merit and importance. ArbitraryC fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Nov 6, 2014 |
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Nov 6, 2014 02:23
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Mumpy Puffinz posted:That's an awful opinion. You're vote counts! the election is already over, you can relax. drat
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Nov 6, 2014 02:23
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Nov 6, 2014 02:25
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i voted but i had a serious buzz on. my polling place is at an old age home which is super loving depressing. i'm pretty sure i saw at least two civil war veterans there. i voted for howie hawkins for governor, gently caress those other clowns. andrew cuomo is a real dickwad.
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Nov 6, 2014 02:26
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Idiot Kicker posted:So what are the rules for non swing states Vote third party. If your main party of choice is guaranteed a win in the race, vote third party to show them your concern and interest on certain issues, and encourage them to cater to your interests to capture your vote. If your main party of choice is guaranteed a loss in the race, vote third party to show them your concern and interest on certain issues, and encourage them to cater to your interests to capture your vote. If you don't like either candidate, vote third party to show them your concern and interest on certain issues, and encourage both parties to cater to your interests to capture your vote.
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Nov 6, 2014 02:26
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As a Canadian, what choice did I have??
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Nov 6, 2014 02:27
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Baba Ganoush posted:the election is already over, you can relax. drat it's over but their team lost so they are going through the various stages of grief right now trying to rationalize why nobody cared
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Nov 6, 2014 02:27
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unlimited shrimp posted:As a Canadian, what choice did I have?? To keep being Canadian, or to keep being Canadian.
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Nov 6, 2014 02:27
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ArbitraryC posted:So you're saying we should just abandon liberalism and let the democrats move farther and farther right completely uncontested? Yeah that sounds like a brilliant long term solution to me. Lol we've been moving farther and farther right regardless of which of the two parties people voted for.
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Nov 6, 2014 02:28
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Illegal Carrot posted:Vote third party.
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Nov 6, 2014 02:28
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Beef Turret posted:Lol we've been moving farther and farther right regardless of which of the two parties people voted for.
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Nov 6, 2014 02:29
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ArbitraryC posted:Thank you for highlighting my point, I almost missed it. I meant to quote the carrot guy.
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Nov 6, 2014 02:30
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Without some kind of revolution Usa isn't going to have more than two parties.
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Nov 6, 2014 02:31
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We shouldnt abandon liberalism, we should combat liberalism
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Nov 6, 2014 02:31
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ArbitraryC posted:So explain the progress from clinton to obama when nader clearly cost the 2k vote. People voted third party and the dems response was to move farther right. Your solution clearly doesn't work and we literally have an example in our lifetime showing that. Don't vote third party in a toss-up race. If you read my post, I was clearly addressing the issue of safe seats.
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Nov 6, 2014 02:31
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I did vote Nader in 2008 because I was disillusioned or whatever, then in 2012 I voted Obama to wash out my brother's vote cause he was being all righteous about Romney Basically I know I want a leftward shift and just don't know how to go about it in the booth
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Nov 6, 2014 02:34
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Illegal Carrot posted:Don't vote third party in a toss-up race. If you read my post, I was clearly addressing the issue of safe seats. where are there safe seats for 3rd parties?
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Nov 6, 2014 02:35
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or you could totally avoid the retarded 3 dimensional chess long game of moving the dems slightly left(lol) and just don't vote because the system is broken beyond repair 
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Nov 6, 2014 02:37
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Hell yeah, vote dem. Because at least they have the correct opinions on abortion, gay marriage, weed and other trifles that serve as wiggle room for discourse to distract from both parties' identical economic policy.
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Nov 6, 2014 02:40
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Illegal Carrot posted:Don't vote third party in a toss-up race. If you read my post, I was clearly addressing the issue of safe seats. So how would have voting blue during 2k encouraged dems to move further left? Like if your vote literally boils down to "the person who isn't republican" what reason do dems have to cater to the far left rather than centrists? Modern democrats are straight up right of center now, there's no major left group and it doesn't seem to matter who you vote for (or don't vote for) because they're just following the money. ArbitraryC fucked around with this message at 02:44 on Nov 6, 2014 |
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Nov 6, 2014 02:40
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Mumpy Puffinz posted:where are there safe seats for 3rd parties? I don't think you understood my post. If you're a Democrat, and Democrats are guaranteed to win a race, then break from the Dems and vote third party. If enough people do this, then the Dems will move to re-capture those voters. If you're a Democrat, and Democrats are guaranteed to lose a race, you might as well vote third party if that third party best represents your views.
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Nov 6, 2014 02:41
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Idiot Kicker posted:I did vote Nader in 2008 because I was disillusioned or whatever, then in 2012 I voted Obama to wash out my brother's vote cause he was being all righteous about Romney Don't vote: democrats move right Vote for democrats: democrats move right Vote for republicans: democrats move right Vote for third parties: democrats move right choose wisely and remember people will judge you if you don't vote.
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Nov 6, 2014 02:42
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Illegal Carrot posted:I don't think you understood my post. You don't understand poo poo.
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Nov 6, 2014 02:43
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The green party opposes nuclear power and gm foods, as does the socialist party. No 3rd party is perfect either. They are all crazy and dysfunctional in their own special ways. I'm not saying settle for blue dog democrats, but I do think pragmatically that progressive democrats are usually no worse than 3rd party candidates on average. I think it's better to just work within the system. Vote for democrats, vote aggressively in primaries. Really if Americans used the primaries it would go a long way toward bringing candidates closer to what they support. I would only vote 3rd party if a race was virtually uncontested.
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Nov 6, 2014 02:45
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ugh how can ANYONE be a republican in my sociology class it's OBVIOUS they're evil and all of my arabic and diverse college friends agree with me I just think everyone should have a job and money
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Nov 6, 2014 02:48
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The Whole Internet posted:The green party opposes nuclear power and gm foods, as does the socialist party. No 3rd party is perfect either. They are all crazy and dysfunctional in their own special ways. I'm not saying settle for blue dog democrats, but I do think pragmatically that progressive democrats are usually no worse than 3rd party candidates on average. The best post.
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The Whole Internet posted:The green party opposes nuclear power and gm foods, as does the socialist party. No 3rd party is perfect either. They are all crazy and dysfunctional in their own special ways. I'm not saying settle for blue dog democrats, but I do think pragmatically that progressive democrats are usually no worse than 3rd party candidates on average.
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CISMALES DID 9-11 posted:ugh how can ANYONE be a republican in my sociology class it's OBVIOUS they're evil and all of my arabic and diverse college friends agree with me I just think everyone should have a job and money we know rich kid!
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ArbitraryC posted:Yeah tbh I don't really get the idea of democracy. It's not like you can change reality by a voter consensus. Enough people believing tax cuts for the rich will result in prosperity for the poor doesn't make that actually a true thing. yeah this is a cultural problem in the us people generally seem to believe their opinions are equal to facts
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