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Lid posted:I'm an atheist philosophically and believe this man killed them based on his antitheist atheist beliefs. I'm not understanding 99% of this thread on both ends because near as i can tell both views can be held without cognitive dissonance so... what the gently caress is going on? Well, as far as I can tell, Broken Cog is really really upset that Tezzor had the nerve to say "I told you so"
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B-but it's so hard being white! Waaaaaagh! 
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Feb 11, 2015 18:19
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Vaginapocalypse posted:Well, as far as I can tell, Broken Cog is really really upset that Tezzor had the nerve to say "I told you so" 1. No, I'm upset because of this: Broken Cog posted:I understand some people are really eager to set up some sort of false equivalence in order to push the "Everyone can be assholes, it doesn't matter about religion!" view, but if it turns out this guy did it because of some stupid, unrelated thing like a parking dispute, that view is going to be ridiculed even more. And worse, those scary "New Atheists" have another reason to mock you and be even smugger, so I'd be careful about trying to score points off of this tragedy before all the details are out. 2. You're defending Tezzor here, think about that for a second.
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Feb 11, 2015 18:20
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Broken Cog posted:You're twisting words in an attempt to support your position. Say he was "militant"(would you say anyone who kills or uses guns is militant) Yes, that's what militant means. I don't use the word "militant" for people who hold strong beliefs, I use it for people who use violence. quote:and an ideologue, if you call him "militant ideologue" you are drawing a connection between them in order to imply that he used militarism to push his ideology. As far as I have seen there has been no evidence that he supported using violence to push his beliefs, nor that it was connected to this triple murder. I don't expect whatever reasons he gives to make sense. I will go ahead and look at what he professed and what he has done and draw the conclusion that this was a hate crime. It doesn't reflect poorly on atheists, I don't feel like I have lost any credibility as an atheist because of this guy's actions. It certainly does reflect poorly on the bigoted rhetoric that circulates among people who would post an image like the one he did.
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Feb 11, 2015 18:22
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atheists love shooting people which imo is a messed up thing to have as part of ur religion... sorry for dropping a truth bomb but im just saying what needs to be said
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Feb 11, 2015 18:25
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GrrrlSweatshirt posted:atheists love shooting people which imo is a messed up thing to have as part of ur religion... sorry for dropping a truth bomb but im just saying what needs to be said quote:i love threadshitting and hate original content SedanChair posted:It doesn't reflect poorly on atheists, I don't feel like I have lost any credibility as an atheist because of this guy's actions. It certainly does reflect poorly on the bigoted rhetoric that circulates among people who would post an image like the one he did. That's about where I get off - it's not the banner per se, but a lot of people who love HHH and Mises have white hoods in their wardrobes. I'm just waiting for the figurative white hood before I complete my goonrush.
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Feb 11, 2015 18:25
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SedanChair posted:Yes, that's what militant means. I don't use the word "militant" for people who hold strong beliefs, I use it for people who use violence. SedanChair posted:I don't expect whatever reasons he gives to make sense. I will go ahead and look at what he professed and what he has done and draw the conclusion that this was a hate crime. My point is that being a militant and an ideologue does not automatically imply that you are willing to use violence to push that ideology, which is what "militant ideologue" implies. Unless you want to really split hairs.
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Feb 11, 2015 18:26
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It's just kinda wierd is all. If I saw a headline about three black people being murdered by a guy who posts pro-KKK poo poo on facebook, I would say that while it is possible the murder wasn't racially motivated, it probably was racially motivated.
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Feb 11, 2015 18:26
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would this have happened if we all believed in god? the right one?
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Feb 11, 2015 18:27
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I think it's bad that the cube-headed redditor murdered the nice charity dentist and his family.
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Feb 11, 2015 18:27
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Sunset posted:A lot of folks seem to be putting tidbits of information together in their head to come to the conclusion that this guy did what he did because he has some sort of militant atheist outlook. If it's alright to say so, I think people might be assuming here. Someone said they did not know how a parking dispute could end up in a triple-murder. I don't know how something like that could result in that either, but people can and often do do things that might seem like it doesn't make sense to react that way. Maybe the victims were parking in front of his house or something and it drove him bonkers. It doesn't make a lot of sense, because most of us would not really have a problem with that sort of thing. Neighbors do attack each other over things other than religion or race, though. Google barking dogs neighbor killed and you'll see news stories about neighbors hurting or killing each other over that sort of thing. The two who were brother and sister their dad said they'd spoken to him a bunch recently about the guy getting irate with them over various stuff and having his gun on him when he confronted them before.
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Disinterested posted:That's about where I get off - it's not the banner per se, but a lot of people who love HHH and Mises have white hoods in their wardrobes. I'm just waiting for the figurative white hood before I complete my goonrush. cut the low content posting out dude. this isnt gbs
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Feb 11, 2015 18:28
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projecthalaxy posted:I think it's bad that the cube-headed redditor murdered the nice charity dentist and his family. It would really complete the story if he turned out to be an r/atheism moderator.
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Vaginapocalypse posted:It's just kinda wierd is all. If I saw a headline about three black people being murdered by a guy who posts pro-KKK poo poo on facebook, I would say that while it is possible the murder wasn't racially motivated, it probably was racially motivated. And I don't think anyone would argue that much with you because that would mean he likely was RACIST. In here people are arguing that he killed these Muslims because he was atheist, which is a weaker correlation, and is less common in our society. (Soviet Union, Communist China yadda yadda yadda...)
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social vegan posted:would this have happened if we all believed in god? the right one? wow yeah. i wonder what would happen if everyone believed in jesus god or even atheist god
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Feb 11, 2015 18:29
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I mean there's also the fact that the only official word on this is "It may be related to a parking dispute" and that psychoanalyzing someone through their Facebook page isn't always reliable. Yeah it's horrible that people jump to conclusions whenever a Muslim does something bad, I try and oppose it whenever I see it.SedanChair posted:It doesn't reflect poorly on atheists, I don't feel like I have lost any credibility as an atheist because of this guy's actions. It certainly does reflect poorly on the bigoted rhetoric that circulates among people who would post an image like the one he did. Vaginapocalypse posted:It's just kinda wierd is all. If I saw a headline about three black people being murdered by a guy who posts pro-KKK poo poo on facebook, I would say that while it is possible the murder wasn't racially motivated, it probably was racially motivated.
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Feb 11, 2015 18:29
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Broken Cog posted:And I don't think anyone would argue that much with you because that would mean he likely was RACIST. In here people are arguing that he killed these Muslims because he was atheist, which is a weaker correlation, and is less common in our society. (Soviet Union, Communist China yadda yadda yadda...) Thankfully we can't call this guy racist either because Islam isn't a race guys!
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Feb 11, 2015 18:30
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i dont want to "burn" anybody unnecessarily but atheism is really extremely gay
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Feb 11, 2015 18:31
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computer parts posted:Thankfully we can't call this guy racist either because Islam isn't a race guys! Then call him a loving bigot or Islamophobe or fuckwitted fartbrained moron or whatever. Seriously, we went through this countless times in the CHarlie Hebdo thread. Broken Cog fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Feb 11, 2015 |
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Feb 11, 2015 18:32
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Disinterested posted:It would really complete the story if he turned out to be an r/atheism moderator. If the cube-headed murderer was not a redditor in fact, he was in spirit.
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Feb 11, 2015 18:32
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The hate filled atheist banner he posted on his FB actually condemns violence
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Feb 11, 2015 18:32
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Broken Cog posted:Then call him a loving bigot or Islamophobe or cocksucking fartbrained moron or whatever. can i call him a wee homo beta baby
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computer parts posted:Thankfully we can't call this guy racist either because Islam isn't a race guys! Its not?!?! 
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Broken Cog posted:And I don't think anyone would argue that much with you because that would mean he likely was RACIST. In here people are arguing that he killed these Muslims because he was atheist, which is a weaker correlation, and is less common in our society. (Soviet Union, Communist China yadda yadda yadda...) Irony Be My Shield posted:The KKK is an organization whose entire reason for existence is the murder of black people. The same is not true of the random atheist pages this guy seemed to like. Fair enough, I concede that point. Edit: Atheists are the bronies of religion though Vaginapocalypse fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Feb 11, 2015 |
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Feb 11, 2015 18:33
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GrrrlSweatshirt posted:imo atheists are the bronies of religion I would have thought it was Mormonism what with all the dancing horses and pedophilia and all.
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Feb 11, 2015 18:34
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Vaginapocalypse posted:Fair enough, I concede that point. lol are u just gonna take that. just gonna give them ur points. man up and call them gay dude
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Feb 11, 2015 18:35
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GrrrlSweatshirt posted:can i call him a wee homo beta baby Sure, go right ahead. Edit: some people might take offence to "Homo" being used in a pejorative way, though. So keep that in mind.
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Feb 11, 2015 18:35
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This man doesn't believe in good or evil, should we be surprised that his actions reflect such a callous ideology?
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Feb 11, 2015 18:36
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Broken Cog posted:Sure, go right ahead. whatever homo
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Feb 11, 2015 18:36
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Miltank posted:This man doesn't believe in good or evil, should we be surprised that his actions reflect such a callous ideology? no we shouldnt. this is what comes of man worshipping hogs (true atheist god)
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Feb 11, 2015 18:37
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Broken Cog posted:So is any murderer or person acting in self-defence(which I am NOT saying this dude was) militant to you? Yes, that's what militancy is. quote:Is any gun-enthusiast a militant? No. quote:My point is that being a militant and an ideologue does not automatically imply that you are willing to use violence to push that ideology, which is what "militant ideologue" implies. Unless you want to really split hairs. That's correct, but morons like this don't have the smarts to "push" an ideology with violence, they live their lives in an incoherent jumble of hatred and recrimination towards a perceived Other until their violent tendencies spill out. They're goaded on by bigoted rhetoric.
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Jonad posted:I would have thought it was Mormonism what with all the dancing horses and pedophilia and all. In Muslimism they use goats instead of the horses  "gently caress the animals that you have", as the saying goes
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Tezzor posted:Charlie Hebdo thread. Me: You quoted my post in the Charlie Hebdo thread, and I'd like to point out that, since I subscribe to a linear understanding of time, I didn't make that post knowing about this event that had not yet happened. Sadly, it appears you were correct that there was an outside chance of an atheist going on a nutso shooting spree. I already condemned this shooting, and I pointed out that we do, perhaps, need to look at the elements of atheist rhetoric that target religious people instead of religious belief, and I believe that applies whether or not it turns out this was related to a parking dispute, because it seems clear to me that religion/atheism was at least a motivating factor even if it was not the exclusive cause of this shooting.
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sexy young infidel posted:In Muslimism they use goats instead of the horses yes this is why u mostly see atheists loving cats
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Broken Cog posted:Then call him a loving bigot or Islamophobe or cocksucking fartbrained moron or whatever. My only problem with this is that calling somebody a cocksucker is pretty demeaning to women and more than a little homophobic.
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Jonad posted:I would have thought it was Mormonism what with all the dancing horses and pedophilia and all. Mormons have families and often are pretty nice people if you don't make a big deal out of the whole religion deal. Atheists (atleast those who make it an important part of their identity) are still the bronies for being boring, insufferable shits.
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Has anyone considered that maybe part of the problem is that all this stuff happened in the South? Of course there are gonna be nutso rampaging murderguys. It's the South! It's what they do, blow off steam by killing people of color, and has been since before Sumter. Basically we should just write off the entire region. It's too full of Protestants anyway.
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Lid posted:I'm an atheist philosophically and believe this man killed them based on his antitheist atheist beliefs. I'm not understanding 99% of this thread on both ends because near as i can tell both views can be held without cognitive dissonance so... what the gently caress is going on? Police say it was about parking. But the killer had memes on his facebook attacking religious people for killing people so it must be the atheism. When has a premeditated serial killer ever turned himself in right after a mass killing? It's almost as if it was an argument that got out of hand.
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Fetus Tree posted:My only problem with this is that calling somebody a cocksucker is pretty demeaning to women and more than a little homophobic. qft... we dont need bigotry itt broken cog
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