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Kurtofan posted:gaf is a nest of rabid "Hilldawg" fans, mentioning the same of St Sanders there is sure to send them in a frothing rage. It's ironic that all of the Sanders related threads are made by the Hilldawg fans. The absolute worst thing about GAF is that all of the mods are pro-Hillary fans as well. That bishop guy is the absolute loving worst, and somehow manages to be even worse when he is involved in any threads about minorities. I regularly recall many other posters in the past who were moderates and far leftists keeping those types of posters in check. Almost all of them have been banned, at honestly the bans weren't warranted. Really the reason they ban people on that site is insane. They banned a black poster the other day for saying the word "nigga" because it was "racist".
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Octatonic posted:I also subscribed to Sparticist for about a year in college, but was upset that they charged for it. I'm just picturing the mailman approaching your place carrying a copy of Sparticist while your roommates push and shove each other on the way to the door yelling "I'm Sparticist!"
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i was the most insufferable kind of idiot liberal until a dnd poster i met in an msn group chat about a jedi academy mod owned me relentlessly on the subjects of communism, feminism and how they were good, while liking extremely mediocre death metal, showering at night and not cutting my hair was bad and im forever grateful
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Popular Thug Drink posted:SA is definitely aging, probably the average poster here now is in their thirties I wonder if this also applies to newer posters. I joined back in 2005 when I was in college, so obviously anyone else who joined around or before then will be at least 30 now, but there's still a relatively steady influx of new users. I'm guessing there's some self-selection where the dumber (which probably trend younger to some extent) posters end up getting banned. Speaking of SA, LF actually had a pretty big influence on my political views. It made me feel vicariously embarrassed (through seeing other people's views get torn apart) about some of the more naive liberal (naive in the sense of believing Democratic politicians were great and "free market with some regulations" was obviously The Best political system) views. Before that I was very much your average American democrat/liberal.
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Ytlaya posted:Speaking of SA, LF actually had a pretty big influence on my political views. It made me feel vicariously embarrassed (through seeing other people's views get torn apart) about some of the more naive liberal (naive in the sense of believing Democratic politicians were great and "free market with some regulations" was obviously The Best political system) views. Before that I was very much your average American democrat/liberal. Yeah this was literally me pre-21. Prior to getting introduced to the far left I had no idea there were other ways of thinking. "Socialism" was just a random word people shouted at Obama. I had no idea what Communism was or the roots of the Soviet Union. I eventually got introduced to the left way of thinking through, ironically, NeoGaf's political threads as posters like empty-vessel would regularly drop bombs on moderate leftists. Over the years I've obviously moved on to other sources. I've developed a keen interest in cooperatives, worker representation, participatory budgeting, desegregation quotas, etc. To this day I view the lens of American politics as bunch of dinosaurs without imagination trying to solve modern problems with ancient policy. Even Saint Sanders doesn't' seem to "get it" to me. LF definitely sounded interesting. I'm sad that I missed it. Seems like a very colorful place. punk rebel ecks fucked around with this message at 01:55 on Jun 7, 2016 |
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Through a lot of bullying I adopted that particular brand of edgy teenager nihilism that called for the extermination of the human race, I chilled out quickly once I got friends that weren't total assholes. I also briefly flirted with right-of-center South Park Republicanism after hanging out with some conservative friends...and watching a lot of South Park. I had no idea what Socialism or Communism was until college. I thought it was indistinguishable from fascism combined with enforced poverty for the entirety of the population, and was baffled at why anyone would choose that kind of political system. I decided early on that I wanted to be a feminist (and this didn't conflict with the above somehow), but spent most of my time making fun of RadFem Strawmen than actually being feminist. Thankfully I never entered a libertarianism phase like most of you because my first exposure to Ayn Rand was some website making fun of Atlas Shrugged. Wow, I spent most of my early life being made fun of and making fun of others. I'm surprised I didn't join SA sooner. 
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Sebadoh Gigante posted:I'm just picturing the mailman approaching your place carrying a copy of Sparticist while your roommates push and shove each other on the way to the door yelling "I'm Sparticist!" Consequently we were all hung on the cross of the letter carrier's withering judgement.
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i hear a lot about libertarian phases even among my irl comrades (some of whom have been or are internet comrades). a good friend of mine's political development tracked pretty reliably with me: went from daily show left-liberals in hs to vague leftism ("democratic socialist," then he went autonomist marxist and i went maoist) in college and now we're both committed marxist-leninists as working adults. i think part of why we eventually came to the immortal science was having one another's back to keep ourselves from deviationism and the like.
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punk rebel ecks posted:LF definitely sounded interesting. I'm sad that I missed it. Seems like a very colorful place. no no
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apostasy. posted:i was the most insufferable kind of idiot liberal until a dnd poster i met in an msn group chat about a jedi academy mod owned me relentlessly on the subjects of communism, feminism and how they were good, while liking extremely mediocre death metal, showering at night and not cutting my hair was bad and im forever grateful Woooah, wait a minute. Showering at night is bad?
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apostasy. posted:i was the most insufferable kind of idiot liberal until a dnd poster i met in an msn group chat about a jedi academy mod owned me relentlessly on the subjects of communism, feminism and how they were good, while liking extremely mediocre death metal, showering at night and not cutting my hair was bad and im forever grateful wait why is showering at night bad
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punk rebel ecks posted:
it had its moments but its fate was sealed when the critical eye was turned toward sa itself
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Kurtofan posted:wait why is showering at night bad It will prevent a powerful musk from developing in your bedding.
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What did "LF" stand for anyway? "Left Forum"?comes along bort posted:it had its moments but its fate was sealed when the critical eye was turned toward sa itself "Lowtax is a privileged bourgeois for demanding us proletariat posters to pay $10 for his service! 'Low' 'tax' my rear end! Lol get it!?"
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punk rebel ecks posted:What did "LF" stand for anyway? "Left Forum"? "Laissez's Faire". It was originally a libertarian containment chamber, but eventually became a D&D FYAD-lite that eventually became the cause for Lowtax to get multiple phone calls from the Secret Service. It produced some pretty funny poo poo along the way, though.
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Technogeek posted:"Laissez's Faire". It was originally a libertarian containment chamber, but eventually became a D&D FYAD-lite that eventually became the cause for Lowtax to get multiple phone calls from the Secret Service. Wait so it was dominated by libertarians? And what type of stuff was said in it that got Lowtax multiple calls from the Secret Service?
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People were threatening to assassinate Obama, I think. Hi GCHQ/NSA.
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The actual  post was in FYAD but nobody really cared about the fine details since the whole subforum was trash by that point. Groverhaus was really funny though.
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May I suggest that if you sincerely hold Marxism-Leninism to be true without the state forcing you to accept it you might not belong in this thread.
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I used to be really, aggressively pro-Israel. There are two reasons for that, both of them really dumb. First, early in college, I just happened to come across a pamphlet on a bus by AIPAC or some similar group that spelled out a lot of the typical pro-Israel arguments, and at the time a lot of it seemed very rational to me. I'd never really thought much about the I/P issue much before then and I think I internalized a lot of those arguments as the starting point for any discussion of the issue. The second reason is that I used to listen to Howard Stern every day, and in the years immediately following 9/11 he used to beat the pro-Israel drum pretty hard and frequently. I bought into the "scrappy little underdog Israel" narrative pretty hard. I actually, un-ironically used the "matchbox" argument in a discussion with a friend once. EDIT: AIPAC is not CPAC dumb-rear end
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punk rebel ecks posted:Wait so it was dominated by libertarians? And what type of stuff was said in it that got Lowtax multiple calls from the Secret Service? It went from libertarianism to far-left Maoism over time.
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Lichy posted:May I suggest that if you sincerely hold Marxism-Leninism to be true without the state forcing you to accept it you might not belong in this thread. great contribution from the top, top poster who brought us Lichy posted:I used to think gender is a social construct but then I wisened up.
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I was completely, 100% behind the invasion of Iraq, because I thought "We'll put a boot in your rear end, it's the American way" was a really cool song lyric. I was 12
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Kurtofan posted:what sold you on this charismatic leader The fact that I was an idiot, who wouldn't vote for Ségolène Royal because lolol she's a shrill airhead. So I thought I was a grownup doing the sensible, adult choice. Nevermind that Bayrou pretty loving dumb himself.
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Crunch Buttsteak posted:I was completely, 100% behind the invasion of Iraq, because I thought "We'll put a boot in your rear end, it's the American way" was a really cool song lyric. I supported the Gulf War. No, I didn't fall for the "Kuwaiti babies ripped out of incubators" propaganda, but I did believe that Saddam and his army were a genuine threat. I was about 20 at the time. I voted Nader in 2000, although at the time I was living in a state that was gonna go Democratic no matter what.
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It seems worth nothing that if you rapidly drifted from libertarianism to far left socialism you might have a problem with ideology. It's sort of like swapping cigarettes for alcohol. On the other hand modern society yells "be yourself/screw the man" from almost every direction. Both tap into that.
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asdf32 posted:It seems worth nothing that if you rapidly drifted from libertarianism to far left socialism you might have a problem with ideology. It's sort of like swapping cigarettes for alcohol. However, the latter is irrefutably correct. People might believe in it for the wrong reason, though.
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forkboy84 posted:I was never a massively extreme atheist, but I definitely got caught up in the whole Dawkins/Hitchens wave of new atheism, of evangelical atheism, which was probably really boring for other people but I didn't really get into the Islamophobic elements of it, Islam never really seemed any more or less bad that other religions. I'm still an atheist but I'm much less interested in telling other people. Sorry but Islam IS worse than other religions. Like, empirically worse. It's a terribly misogynistic and homophobic belief system. Being born gay or a woman in virtually any Muslim-majority country on the planet is to be born a particularly unlucky individual. And there are a lot of Muslims who would agree with this. I really don't understand this completely irrational defense of Islam by leftists. I'm as far left as anyone else, which is precisely why I criticize Islam heavily for being as backward as it is. My suspicion is that liberals are uncomfortable criticizing some generic conception we have of "brown people". White theocracy? Have at it! Brown theocracy? No no, it's their "culture". Brown people have no agency you see, and can't do bad things. There's always a "root cause"....... Ugh. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Secular Humanist posted:Sorry but Islam IS worse than other religions. Like, empirically worse. It's a terribly misogynistic and homophobic belief system. Being born gay or a woman in virtually any Muslim-majority country on the planet is to be born a particularly unlucky individual. And there are a lot of Muslims who would agree with this. this thread is for past bad opinions not current bad opinions. please keep your racist trash opinions out of this thread thanks
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Graduated high school worshipping the Canadian Conservatives, Ayn Rand, and libertarianism in general. Even signed up for the military, where I served for a few years in the reserves, and continuously boasted about the merits of hard work and dedication. As an only child. Who's parents were both solidly middle-to-upper-middle class. Who never struggled in school and graduated valedictorian. Who got by on scholarships and military funding. As you can imagine, I was an insufferably bootstraps twat who had little sympathy for things like feminism, racism, or privilege of any kind- you just needed to work harder! Thankfully, I got completely and utterly schooled time and time again in online debates by a philosophy major from my undergrad alma mater. Instead of directly attacking my love of libertarianism and objectivism, he questioned my motivations and core beliefs that motivated that love. After appealing to my love of the scientific method, he utterly dismantled my belief in free will from the ground up. He didn't need to directly attack libertarianism/objectivism- when I stopped believing in classical free will, my belief in Ayn Randian objectivism just became completely untenable. Combined with beginning a relationship with a woman from a poor/working class background who received basically no support from her parents, I started to view people more as products of circumstance rather than success or failure by choice alone. By this time, I still had some nationalistic/military pride, but nonetheless I began my march to progressivism and leftist politics. I started volunteering at planned parenthood, soup kitchens, LBGT groups, etc. The final major shift in my ideology as a person, becoming a pacifist, occurred when the internet really started making combat videos available. With the rise of Wikileaks, footage such as Collateral Murder really broke my faith in the ability of armed forces to effect social change. There was something about seeing people scatter in terror, just trying to escape bombardment from an attack helicopter, that really humanized 'the enemy' to me. Maybe it was the fact innocent people were killed in that incident too, but I kept mentally putting myself in their place. I guess I realized, if I or my family were on the receiving end, I wouldn't care who was morally right in the conflict- I'd just want revenge. I started firmly believing that violence begets violence. And that's about it. That's my story of my political transformations between 18-28. TL;DR: I'm a pinko socialisty pacifist reformed from pro-military objectivist. Edit: Secular Humanist posted:Sorry but Islam IS Fixed. PoizenJam fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Jun 8, 2016 |
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Add me to the list of obnoxious atheists, I didn't even need to read Dawkins to become one. Being in a Christian school only made me think I was being a rebel. Also voted for the Liberal Democrats in the UK's 2010 election thinking they would prevent the other parties from doing horrible poo poo if they were in a coalition. Spent the next 4 years finding out how wrong I was.
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a glitch posted:Add me to the list of obnoxious atheists, I didn't even need to read Dawkins to become one. Being in a Christian school only made me think I was being a rebel. I've been an atheist since Grade 3. No joke, I realized Santa was bogus and then suddenly had the epiphany that I'd seen less evidence of a 'God' or 'Jesus' existing than the dinosaurs we were studying at the time. It wasn't until I went through my objectivist phase in my late teens did I became a total Dawkins style dickwad about it though.
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OwlFancier posted:People were threatening to assassinate Obama, I think. I thought it was FYAD superstars butthurt that a fyad-lite existed that got the SS involved? I can never keep track of SA drama. I do know that holy gently caress goons can't handle anything though. I liked Helldump but goddamn if people couldn't tell the difference between a hilarious dump and creepy IRL stalking.
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Secular Humanist posted:Sorry but Islam IS worse than other religions. Like, empirically worse. It's a terribly misogynistic and homophobic belief system. Being born gay or a woman in virtually any Muslim-majority country on the planet is to be born a particularly unlucky individual. And there are a lot of Muslims who would agree with this. I suspect it's more to do with "Islam" representing very nearly as wide a range of beliefs and communities as "Christianity." I think people on this forum are generally a little too hesitant to see religion as one of the driving forces of politics rather than exclusively the other way around, but it's never going to be as simple as ranking them from best to worst. Least of all "empirically" when we're talking about ethics and theology.
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nutranurse posted:I was born into and rasied in the mormon church. holy poo poo me too
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Crunch Buttsteak posted:I was completely, 100% behind the invasion of Iraq, because I thought "We'll put a boot in your rear end, it's the American way" was a really cool song lyric. I thought the solution to people filling the void we left when we kill the dictator was just to keep killing the next guy until they figure out trying to be the dictator was a bad idea. I also used to be libertarian. I've found the better off I become the more left I lean, because I remember how lovely trying to live off a 40-hour retail job was. Reik fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Jun 9, 2016 |
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