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Who outside of 60+ yr olds still cares about playboy?
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Leperflesh posted:
I think you are right, and that's really depressing. It's some kind of horrible autonomous negative feedback loop. As you go round and round, all creativity is squeezed out and all you have left are 20 similar ranges of grotesque space marine caricatures.
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Aug 23, 2016 06:41
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It's not really fair to compare Playboy and Games Workshop. One is unwelcoming to women to the point of misogyny and the other produces a pornographic magazine.
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Aug 23, 2016 06:49
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Soul Reaver posted:My 6000 point army immediately crumbled to being about 3000 something points max and the realization that this would require that I buy over half of my army's current number of models all over again to be able to follow the new (still crap) rules made me realize what a total load of asshats GW really were. Sounds like you have a pretty hefty force of Varangur, The Herd, and Abyssals, friend! Leperflesh posted:https://manticblog.com/2016/07/07/rumbl-find-players-kings-war-deadzone/ It's not Mantic's app, it's made by a third party, but they, and some others like Warlord, seem to have partnered with it to some extent. Pretty sure it's still in beta, and definitely needs more promotion from everyone involved. Zark the Damned posted:Mantic's putting up some clearance deals on their site to 'make room for the Walking Dead' stuff. You can also use these with the free Deadzone rules and get started straight away, and purchase the full rules later if you like it. NTRabbit fucked around with this message at 07:29 on Aug 23, 2016 |
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Aug 23, 2016 07:26
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fnordcircle posted:within a decade 3d Printing will reach a quality where even fewer people will be reaching into their wallets to pay $60 for 3 grunts. No. 3d printing technology makes prototyping cheaper for manufacturers and will always be cheaper and better per-unit for manufacurers than for home hobbyists. In other words, to the extent that 3d printers can make low-quantity production runs cheaper, consumers will benefit, but they will do so because retailers will be able to offer those products more cheaply. Of course, we have no reason to expect GW will take advantage of that, but what that means is that the already substantial disparity in product value between GW and its competitors will increase. It will still be cheaper to manufacure things en masse than one at a time on consumer-level equipment.
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Aug 23, 2016 08:40
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I'm printing high res guns at Shapeways for prices comparable to FW. Less cleanup than resin too.
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Aug 23, 2016 08:49
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HardCoil posted:I'm printing high res guns at Shapeways for prices comparable to FW. Less cleanup than resin too. Forgeworld prices are not competetive, and shapeways' best resolutions are not at production miniature quality, and you are probably not printing copyrighted sculptures (good art actually costs money). But mostly that first thing... compare your per-unit cost to minis of comparable quality of detail and material and you are probably looking at Reaper Bones, at less than two dollars per mini. e. Or I guess someone who just makes plastic guns? Can you even buy sprues of plastic guns at 28-32mm scale? If not, then congrats, that's a perfect niche for 3d printing one-offs, but also is not competition with manufacturers. Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 08:58 on Aug 23, 2016 |
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Aug 23, 2016 08:55
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I think the thing is, it's fair to say "3D prints will always be more expensive than comparable models for the same quality", but GW's problem is they're also more expensive than comparable models of the same quality. Of course people used to GW's prices make the comparison.
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Aug 23, 2016 09:00
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I disagree. Resolution is coming up and prices are coming down. SW's ultra frosted material is incredible. Small details like selector switches are coming out razor sharp on the prints I'm getting. I was planning to do masters and cast them, but now I'm not sure it's worth it. Right now mass produced plastic has the edge, but I don't think it's gonna stay that way - at least at current prices. Edit: I'm talking about raw production price. If I had to make money off it, prices would probably be too high after all. Dr Hemulen fucked around with this message at 09:12 on Aug 23, 2016 |
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Aug 23, 2016 09:09
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Why do you think mass production prices won't also drop? We all know GW won't reduce prices but GW is, well, bad.
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Aug 23, 2016 09:12
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I based that on GW's ever increasing prices 
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Aug 23, 2016 09:15
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No GW death thread is complete without a post from an historical grognard about how screwed GW customers are. Pricing rantMy latest box of plastic miniatures was from Perry Miniatures, a box of French Napoleonic Dragoons.  The box includes: - 13 mounted Dragoons, including two command miniatures that can be made into a combination of trumpeter, standard bearer and officer - 8 dismounted Dragoons - 6 extra infantry casualties (French and British), that you can use for casualty markers or scenery or whatever - Extra bits to convert the dragoons into elite company (i.e. extra heads with bearskin hats) - A painting guide, including banners that you can cut out and put on the standard Box is priced at a cool £20. Now let's play the fun game of comparing that with some GW kits! The closest I can find for the mounted troops are the Pistoliers, or "Freeguild Pistoliers" as they are apparently known as nowadays. £17.50 for 5, and the box comes with bits for a leader and a trumpeter, so it's a perfect comparison! That's a solid £3.50 per mounted mini. For the foot dragoons, we can compare them with handgunners. Those are £15.50 for 10, so £1.55 per trooper. Fewer options, but we can live with that. 13 mounted GW figures would be £45.50 (Jesus Christ people collect these?) 8 GW foot troopers would be £12.40 So even discounting that I get a painting guide, paper banners, casualty extras and conversion bits in the dragoon box, we're STILL getting the same number of minis for £20 compared to £57,90, or 34% of the cost of GW products. And the £20 box is brand new with excellent sculpting and casting, while the GW miniatures are among the older plastics still for sale on GW's website. Just look!  Boxy shouty men with feathers  Actually detailed miniatures with, you know, proper proportions. Oh, and the Perry box is made by a much smaller company, while GW as the big mass producer should be able to save tons on overhead and economics of scale, and the minis are decades old and the molds should have paid themselves of tons of times already. Verdict is in GW customers: Proper. hosed.
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Aug 23, 2016 10:13
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i can make a 1500 point fow army for the price GW charges for like 12 space marines and some boxes true story edit: holy poo poo the boxes+space marine combo is 115 smackeroos at least you get a dreadnought and a tank i guess but that's still going to be like 500 points spectralent fucked around with this message at 11:08 on Aug 23, 2016 |
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Aug 23, 2016 10:22
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This comes up a lot in just every thread in Trad Games, so would someone mind explaining Campaign for North Africa? I get that it's a game that takes a ridiculously long time to play and that is usually the punchline, but I'd love to hear exactly what makes the game such a slog.
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Aug 23, 2016 11:20
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Atlas Hugged posted:This comes up a lot in just every thread in Trad Games, so would someone mind explaining Campaign for North Africa? I get that it's a game that takes a ridiculously long time to play and that is usually the punchline, but I'd love to hear exactly what makes the game such a slog. Extremely detailed rules for everything, including weird edge cases like Italian troops needing water for their pasta rations
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Aug 23, 2016 11:39
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Lightning Lord posted:Italian troops needing water for their pasta rations Jesus I thought that was a joke.
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Aug 23, 2016 11:48
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wikipedia posted:Even gamers who were initially fascinated with the idea of an extremely detailed war game might have been chagrined when they opened the box to discover 1,800 counters, maps large enough to cover several tables, and a three-volume rulebook of considerable weight and density. The rules cover logistics in extreme detail, far more so than the combat simulation. It is recommended that each side be played by a five-person team, including a Commander-In-Chief and four subordinate commanders, making a total of ten players needed for a game, although it can be played with the usual two. According to SPI, a complete game can run over 1,500 hours. However, the logistics of keeping a ten-person group together for fifteen hundred hours of gaming was a feat beyond even most hardcore wargamers, and completed full games of The Campaign for North Africa are rare. The "joke" is that it is pretty much an analog logistics simulator, which is realistic considering how important logistics are when you are fighting across a vast desert, with forces from several different armies. But huge games just crash when it's done by hand instead of a computer. Imagine playing Hearts of Iron or Europa Universalis by hand, and having to calculate resource use and supplies etc. for every country and all forces every day, by hand. How do you move those barrels of oil down Basically, when people joke about EVE online being Spreadsheets: The Game, they describe Campaign for North Africa. But using analog spreadsheets, not Excel. boardgamegeek posted:The game is detailed to a degree no other game has come close to. If using the full rules you keep track of every individual plane and pilot in the three year campaign. Each counter on the board representing a ground unit is composed of many units which are kept track of on logs. Supplies are kept track of and dispersed in a very detailed manner. It's detailed, is what I'm saying. lilljonas fucked around with this message at 12:21 on Aug 23, 2016 |
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Aug 23, 2016 12:12
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zVxTeflon posted:Who outside of 60+ yr olds still cares about playboy? It's a huge brand in Asia for bags, sunglasses, other accessories, and regular clothes. It has no association with pornography for the majority of people. It's just cool. I just finished basing some more lizards. These are pretty neat, but I don't know how I'd fit more than 12 on a base. That GW seriously expected these to rank up shows again how lovely their kits are when used as intended. But since that doesn't matter for Kings of War, they look great!     I probably made the base as inefficiently as I could. I cut a square of white paper to fit into the 100x80mm area, then tacked the skinks where they fit best. Then I traced around their bases, took them off the paper, and glued it to a piece of cardboard. I cut out the areas I traced and then glued the cardboard into the tray and based it. Now the models sit mostly flush in the gaps and I can take them out when I want to use them as individuals!
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Aug 23, 2016 13:02
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Atlas Hugged posted:
That's awesome! I've been trying to find a good and easy way to base a KoW army that looks good. What did you use for the edging around the base?
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Aug 23, 2016 14:08
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tweekinator posted:That's awesome! I've been trying to find a good and easy way to base a KoW army that looks good. What did you use for the edging around the base? Those are laser cut MDF trays, most places do them in a similar style, they come with the flat base, and a neat little frame to glue down around the edge with pre cut 45 degree angles.
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tweekinator posted:That's awesome! I've been trying to find a good and easy way to base a KoW army that looks good. What did you use for the edging around the base? The base is just a TT Combat movement tray. They come unassembled so you can choose to have the edge or not. However, the dimensions of the base are larger than the footprint of the unit, so if you leave the edge off then you won't know where your footprint of the unit is. My gaming group doesn't care that my bases are slightly larger than they're supposed to be, but if I was playing in a tournament I would make sure to ignore those edges for measuring purposes.
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Atlas Hugged posted:It's a huge brand in Asia for bags, sunglasses, other accessories, and regular clothes. It has no association with pornography for the majority of people. It's just cool. Yea, the skink models work great as skirmishers and are absolutely terrible if you are trying to put them into a ranked unit. I did manage it with the javelin-and-shield version, but it required basically remembering where each unique skink would fit in the unit compared to the others. Also, many of them don't actually end up facing directly forward and are sort of sidling. It works ok if you are thinking of them as a sort of teeming herd moving forward, like fish, rather than a traditional marching phalanx:  (lovely picture I already had hosted.) If you build them with blowpipes though, good luck ever getting them to line up in a unit at all. PS - your color scheme is rad!
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Aug 23, 2016 14:22
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Ashcans posted:
I like your alligator man. That thing is pretty cool. As far as the paint scheme went, I was burned out on the green and gold of my elf army and wanted my lizards to be different than any of the GW schemes I had seen while simultaneously being as absolutely garish as I could get away with.
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Aug 23, 2016 14:29
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Thanks! Thats actually a Gatorman from WMH, I bought some of them because the Kroxigor at the time were pretty lackluster. Lizardmen are a great opportunity to go wild on color because there are so many reptiles and amphibians with crazy colors and patterns that you can always drawn on for inspiration.
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Aug 23, 2016 15:13
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Avenging Dentist posted:It's not really fair to compare Playboy and Games Workshop. One is unwelcoming to women to the point of misogyny and the other produces a pornographic magazine. Playboy is also, like, weirdly trying to court the modern women demo right now. Their catcalling flowchart was very popular among the tumblr set ( and rightfully so, it's really funny).
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Aug 23, 2016 15:14
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Didn't Playboy also abandon showing nudes?
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Aug 23, 2016 15:20
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The thing is, GW still has such an amazing set of brands beneath it that were it not for the morons running it they could turn the corner so goddamn easily and make money hand over fist until they were filling swimming pools with the stuff.
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Aug 23, 2016 17:45
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moths posted:Didn't Playboy also abandon showing nudes? They've got a sub only website for that still but yeah the main site has been non nude for a while and the mag just made the jump last year
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Aug 23, 2016 17:47
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HardCoil posted:I disagree. Resolution is coming up and prices are coming down. SW's ultra frosted material is incredible. Small details like selector switches are coming out razor sharp on the prints I'm getting. I was planning to do masters and cast them, but now I'm not sure it's worth it. If 3d printing ever eclipsed the speed and quality of injection molding plastic, then factory lines will replace their injection molding plastic machines with industrial-sized million-dollar 3d printers, and continue to make their products faster, cheaper, etc. For one-offs? Sure. 3d printing is great for that. But one-offs have always existed and do not compete with GW. That's a related business. You're also sidestepping the whole "sculptors gotta get paid" issue. If you're designing your own miniature parts using 3d modeling software, you are doing something the vast majority of consumers won't be interested in doing - or if they are, won't be able to do well. Remember, the question is, does or will 3d printing compete with model manufacturers? Well, if you need to pay a sculptor at least a few hundred bucks to sculpt a miniature, you have to recoup those costs, which means you need to make and sell a lot more than one or two or ten copies of the miniature. As soon as you're getting into volume manufacturing, 3d printers are less efficient than production equipment... and if that changes, production 3d printers will be more efficient than hobbyist 3d printers.
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Aug 23, 2016 18:39
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lilljonas posted:Stuff about Perry Miniatures None of this matters. What people want in this hobby is miniatures with huge tits, anime or world of warcraft style body proportions with a whole lot of random steampunk and high fantasy garbage smeared on the model. Just look at what people are pushing around on the table at your local FLGS if you want confirmation. That is why GW puts out garbage models prices like they were made of precious metals. To your average gamer those Napoleonic's are just some old dudes with a musket... BORING now that misshapen elf-thing with GGGGG size tits with a laser gun, riding on a two headed wolf-bird that looks like a rejected grade-school art project? OMG SO COOL HERES ALL MY MONEY.
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Aug 23, 2016 18:49
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I'd play a POkemon minatures game.
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Aug 23, 2016 18:58
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Iron Crowned posted:I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I'd play a POkemon minatures game. If they ever made a collectible pokemon miniatures game I would genuinely fear for my marriage
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Aug 23, 2016 19:04
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S.J. posted:If they ever made a collectible pokemon miniatures game I would genuinely fear for my marriage They did and they were on little spinner bases to do things. No idea what said things meant as I just used a Pikachu and Mudkip as Chaos Spawn. :3
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Aug 23, 2016 19:26
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S.J. posted:If they ever made a collectible pokemon miniatures game I would genuinely fear for my marriage Mrs SJ comes home to find you in the bathtub, covered in a pile of pikachus
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berzerkmonkey posted:Also, KS is not a sustainable business model, and Mantic is going to have to start making inroads with retailers if they have any hope of sticking around for the long run. Mantic retail releases for the next two months, direct to retail in bold September - Kings of War : Historical - Dungeon Saga: The Tyrant of Halpi - Dungeon Saga: Legendary Heroes of Halpi - Dungeon Saga: Heroes of Kickstarter - Warpath/Deadzone : Enforcer Peacekeepers - Warpath/Deadzone : Enforcer Jetbikes - Warpath/Deadzone : Forge Father Forge Guard - Warpath/Deadzone : Forge Father Iron Ancestor - Warpath/Deadzone : Veer-myn Nightmares - Warpath/Deadzone : Veer-myn Night Terror October : - Forces of the Abyss - Tortured Souls (9 metal models on 3 bases) - Forces of the Abyss - Hellhounds - Naiad Wyrmriders  - Earth Elemental Regiment  - Dwarf Stone Priest - Abyssal Dwarf Slave Orc Gore Riders - Elf War Chariot Regiment
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Literally The Worst posted:Mrs SJ comes home to find you in the bathtub, covered in a pile of pikachus Geodudes but yes
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Aug 23, 2016 21:08
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"I...I caught them. I caught them all." *cries hysterically* NTRabbit posted:Naiad Wyrmriders  So about Kings of War
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Aug 23, 2016 21:15
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Wizard Styles posted:"I...I caught them. I caught them all." Naiad Wyrmriders are a large cavalry option in both the Forces of Nature (main rulebook), and Trident Realms of Neritica (Uncharted Empires book) armies. Three to a regiment, six to a horde. The Trident Realms also get a hero unit, the Naiad Wymrider Centurion.
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Aug 23, 2016 21:19
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Where did you find that?
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http://blog.untilsomebodylosesaneye.net/2016/08/mantic-september-october-releases.html?fb_ref=Default More pictures there too. Prices on the metals are a little higher than I'd hoped, though.
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