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Update 4: Raging Beast NPC dialogue updates fairly periodically. A few NPCs have some new things to say, now the mission is available. The man turns to leave. I use my newfound cash to outfit everyone in armor. I'm going to need it. It's actually pretty hard to run into that limit in this game. Inventory management really isn't a huge concern. Though believe the later games got rid of the overall item limit, in exchange for capping the amount of each specific item you can hold at 15. And that's all the updated dialogue for now. Let's head back to the quest office. The man turns to us. The man leaves. You accept missions in the same way you do quests. Talk to the clerk on the right to do so. Completing these will advance the plot. Taking that mission updated more dialogue in both Kazan and Miross. Let's talk with the townsfolk first before we set out. I'll go into more detail later, but this is going to be our first boss fight, and it is tough. And that's all for Kazan. While I was heading to Miross... I didn't go too in depth into these enemies last time, so let's fix that. Froggy Level: 3 LIFE: 27 ATK: 29 DEF: 9 INT: 8 SPD: 10 Attack Type: Blunt Size: Small Exp: 36 Gold: 3 Item Drops: -Normal: Frogskin - 30% Drop Rate. --Skin of a Froggy. -Rare: N/A Damage Multipliers: Slash: 100% Blunt: 100% Thrust: 100% Fire: 100% Ice: 100% Lightning: 150% Skills: Lullaby Song: 30% chance of inflicting Sleep on one target. Has a speed modifier of 85%. Froggies are a step up from Bluegrass Nymphs. While Paralysis had a chance at preventing your party members from acting, Sleep is guaranteed to do so. Not only that, sleeping party members can't avoid anything, and take an extra 50% damage if a physical attack is used to wake them up. Depending on the formation they're found in, it can be difficulty to decide if they should be killed first or not. Dodo Level: 5 LIFE: 30 ATK: 32 DEF: 12 INT: 10 SPD: 15 Attack Type: Thrust Size: Large Exp: 36 Gold: 5 Item Drops: -Normal: Bird Legs - 30% Drop Rate. 3 needed to unlock the Hunting Charm (Accessory, +5 Life, +5 Mana, +3 SPD.) --Long legs of a Dodo. -Rare: Bird Meat - Don't kill with Fire damage. 5% Drop Rate. --A bird's meat. For carnivores. Increases SPD & Max MANA for the day. Damage Multipliers: Slash: 100% Blunt: 100% Thrust: 100% Fire: 100% Ice: 100% Lightning: 100% Skills: Thrust: Deals 130% melee ATK-based Thrust damage to one party member. Has a speed modifier of 90%. Oh hey, remember how Nutshells were a pain to deal with? The game basically makes you go through that again by introducing the Dodo. It's a really strong enemy that will just ruin your day. Thankfully Thrust is a melee attack, so it's unlikely to oneshot a party member in the back row. The one thing that Nutshells had over Dodos is that they had a ranged attack, so they were a threat to all party members. The Dodo isn't as scary to party members in the back row due to its lack of a ranged attack. You still shouldn't get careless around them.  Ailments skills at low levels really aren't worth using. Though there is one way to salvage them somewhat. Using part of your EX gauge with a skill that can inflict an ailment will multiply the chances by 1.5x. Not much of a boost early on, but it's something at least. Of course if you have a Mage, they laugh at random encounters and can eliminate them pretty easily. A minor annoyance, since the Dodo is gone. Those enemies are pretty much the main reason you don't want to go to Miross too early. They'll pretty much crush you if you're too weak. Something I want to cover real quick. When you qualify for an enemy's rare drop, the game checks to see if that drops first, then checks for the regular drop if you didn't get it. You can only get 1 item drop from each enemy. So if you want their common drop, don't try to go for their rare drop if there's a condition attached to it. And here's another new enemy you can encounter around Miross. Slime Level: 4 LIFE: 27 ATK: 30 DEF: 8 INT: 8 SPD: 10 Attack Type: Blunt Size: Small Exp: 38 Gold: 4 Item Drops: -Normal: Slime Jelly - 30% Drop Rate. --Plasm [sic] of a Slime. -Rare: N/A Damage Multipliers: Slash: 100% Blunt: 50% Thrust: 150% Fire: 150% Ice: 100% Lightning: 50% Skills: Solvent: Places a debuff on one party member that reduces their DEF (Multiplies it by 75%) for 5 turns. Has a speed modifier of 80% Slimes are basically kind of a lesson in diversifying your damage types. Fist samurai and such are going to have a bit of a tough time dealing with them for one. You also want to get rid of them fast. Solvent can be disastrous to deal with if the Slime is with an enemy that can hit really hard, or if they're in a large group.  As long as you don't let them place defense debuffs on everyone, you'll be fine. That's all the encounters I wanted to show off for now. Let's check out Miross. Uh oops. Looks like I missed his first line of dialogue when I came here. Hang on, let me just dig that up. For the record, there is something of interest in this town now. We need to head to the fortune-teller's house. The customer leaves. Okay, a little word of warning. The first three quests we did are mandatory. However, any more that pop up in the prologue are optional. But if you don't finish them before the prologue is over, the quests disappear forever. There are 4 quests left in the prologue, one of which is this one. The other three will become available after we complete the mission. Oops. I think I sequence broke a bit. Evidently the game expected me to get the mission done before heading here. More specifically, melee ranged attacks will deal half damage in both cases. Yeah, a few event flags ended up tripping too early for these new lines of dialogue. He's referring to a game mechanic we'll run into later. I've got... things to say about it. Anyways, let's take up that quest. In order to find the Moon Crystal, you need to talk with this NPC a few times. Now there's an entrance hidden at the back of this building. You can't pick up the Moon Crystal without talking to the store owner first. It doesn't really matter how you end that quest. Nothing really changes in the end. Other than you keeping the Moon Crystal, but that thing is worthless. And that's the only quest we can tackle for the moment. Mana Water is a handy consumable. It restores 15 mana to one party member. Though at this point in the game, I don't find it necessary. Resting at inns is more economic, and dungeons at this point simply don't last long enough to need mana restoration. It does sell for 360 G if you need some money. Also at this point, I finally remembered to spend my skill points. Normally you get 1 skill point upon leveling up, but if you reach a level that's a multiple of 5, you get 2 skill points instead. Axes now have a weapon attack power multiplier of 120%. Venom now has a 40% chance to land, and has a poison power of 300%. So now the poison ticks for 63 damage, which is a fairly respectable amount of damage at this point in the game. Mana Mastery unlocks Mana spells, which deal non-elemental damage. Most things in the game aren't resistant to non-elemental damage, but they aren't weak to it either. At level 2, it increases non-elemental spell damage by 11.25 points, and applies an 106% multiplier to the speed modifiers of Mana spells. I'm mainly taking this to unlock Concentrate, which requires me to max this out. Heated Words now applies a 120% multiplier to our party's attack stats. One other thing I want to cover. When you pick the Custom option on the menu, you can select your party name to see their party skills. There are a total of 18 that can be learned. I'll go more into those when they become relevant. Anyways, this is the place where we need to go for the mission. The Nameless Cave isn't a really long dungeon. See that little dot in the lower right hand corner? That's where we need to go. This is the only chest in the cave. Oh but first, new enemies! Mushy Level: 6 LIFE: 32 ATK: 35 DEF: 10 INT: 9 SPD: 12 Attack Type: Blunt Size: Small Exp: 32 Gold: 6 Item Drops: -Normal: Mushroom Stem - 30% Drop Rate. 3 needed to unlock the Poisonol (Consumable, dispels Poison.) --Stalk of a Mushy. Good in soups. -Rare: N/A Damage Multipliers: Slash: 100% Blunt: 100% Thrust: 100% Fire: 100% Ice: 100% Lightning: 100% Skills: Venom Spore: 30% chance of inflicting Poison on all party members. Has a Poison power of 20% (Deals 7 Poison damage.) Has a speed modifier of 85%. Do Nothing: Wastes a turn. Mushies really aren't too bad to deal with. They're honestly really pathetic enemies. They can inflict Poison on your party, but it does so little damage. And they're very prone to doing nothing and wasting their turns entirely. They're really pathetic enemies. Their most dangerous attack is their regular attack, which they don't like to use all that often. Ooh, another new enemy. Beetle Level: 4 LIFE: 28 ATK: 33 DEF: 8 INT: 5 SPD: 12 Attack Type: Slash Size: Small Exp: 36 Gold: 4 Item Drops: -Normal: Beetle Wings - 30% Drop Rate. --Two pairs of wings from a Beetle. Damage Multipliers: Slash: 100% Blunt: 100% Thrust: 100% Fire: 100% Ice: 100% Lightning: 100% Skills: N/A You can actually encounter these things in the forests around Miross. Anyways, Beetles aren't particularly interesting enemies. They don't have any skills, but they always come in swarms, so they can overwhelm your party if you don't take them out fast enough, Just focus them down, one at a time, to slow down the onslaught. Not much to them, really. Here's the last new enemy we'll be encountering this update. Wisp Level: 7 LIFE: 32 ATK: 32 DEF: 15 INT: 18 SPD: 14 Attack Type: Blunt Size: Small Exp: 34 Gold: 7 Item Drops: -Normal: Fireball Core - 30% Drop Rate. 15 needed to unlock the Flamberge (Sword, +86 ATK, +15 Life, deals Fire damage.) --Heart of a Wisp. A handy fuel. Damage Multipliers: Slash: 100% Blunt: 100% Thrust: 100% Fire: 0% Ice: 100% Lightning: 100% Skills: Flame Ball: Deals 23% ranged INT-Based Fire damage to one party member. Has a speed modifier of 80%. Wisps are pretty much your first introduction to enemy spells. Don't be fooled by that low spell power Flame Ball has, it's pretty much that low so they don't completely annihilate you. Spells are much more powerful than physical attacks. At any rate, Wisps themselves are fairly dangerous and should be taken out quickly since they can hit hard both physically and magically. Also before you get too excited about that weapon their drop unlocks, it also needs a drop from a mid-game monster to unlock. I'm honestly not sure why they did that, because this is the only enemy that drops Fireball Cores, and you don't encounter them past the early-game. 7th Dragon, everybody. Dia has a decent amount of INT, so she didn't take too much from that. Of course you have to watch out for them ganging up on someone.  Ech, not even Nila can one shot them. Also they're also why you want to start diversifying your damage types on your mage. If you went all in on Fire, yeah that's gonna suck since your mage will be useless against them.  I'll want to level up Cure eventually, but for the early-game, this should suffice. They're one of the toughest enemies in this cave, so you want to watch out for them. A few dungeons have a few secret passages in them. If there are any in the current area, I'll mark them down with black. There are 2 secret passages in the cave, but that room in the top right corner contains nothing for now, and the other passage leads nowhere. These wells of water will fully recover the party's life and mana. However, it won't recover any used up EX. They're generally placed before bosses. Speaking of which... The Hunter leaves. See that spiky thing? That's the boss. Now you actually have an opportunity to get a preemptive strike on it by walking into its back. Take that opportunity. You're going to need it.  Video: Raging BeastHere's the first boss fight in the game, the Raging Beast. Raging Beast Level: 5 LIFE: 400 ATK: 48 DEF: 25 INT: 14 SPD: 15 Attack Type: Slash Size: N/A Exp: 230 Gold: 8 Item Drops: -Normal: Predator Meat - 100% Drop Rate. --A predator's meat. For carnivores. Increases POW for the day. -Rare: Paro Fruit - 5% Drop Rate. --Fruit good for cuts and scrapes. Recovers 30 LIFE. Damage Multipliers: Slash: 100% Blunt: 100% Thrust: 100% Fire: 100% Ice: 100% Lightning: 100% Ailment Susceptibility: Death: 20% Masked Pain: 100% Skill Seal: 25% Fear: 25% Curse: 50% Bleed: 25% Poison: 25% Sleep: 25% Confuse: 25% Paralysis: 50% Blind: 10% Stun: 100% Skills: Mow Down: Randomly attacks the party with Slash damage 3 times, dealing 90% melee ATK-based damage per hit. Has a speed modifier of 80%. The Raging Beast is easily one of the hardest bosses in the game. It comes at a point where your skill builds are just getting started, and the player is just learning the ropes. It's a very unfriendly welcome to the game. And if you were trying to use ailments, the game gives you a nasty surprise as the Raging Beast is fairly resistant to nearly everything. It only has 1 skill, but said skill is very deadly as it essentially lets the Raging Beast attack 3 times in 1 turn. The game lets you get a preemptive strike on it for a reason. First things first, I want to lower its DEF stat so both Stella and Nila can deal more damage to it throughout the battle. The reduction won't be much at this point, but every little bit helps. For Edward, I use up part of his EX gauge. Mainly so I have a better chance of inflicting Poison onto the Raging Beast. Normally it would have a 10% chance, but using EX raises that up to 15%. Nila will just be throwing out spells for the entire battle. And I'll have Dia buff everyone up (Well, Stella is the only one who will benefit from this.) Keep in mind that the Raging Beast has 400 life. What was fairly effective on the random encounters turning out not to be as effective on the boss can come across as a nasty surprise.  Something to keep in mind is that DEF debuffs are slightly better than ATK buffs due to the fact that the former can also boost the damage output of a Mage's spells, while the latter has no effect on them. Now Stella will be unleashing EX boosted Power Crashes for the rest of the battle. EX has absolutely no effect on buffs, but I'm using it with Dia just so I can have priority for Hard Words. Didn't expect that to land, but honestly Edward has nothing better to do.  Ooh, a respectable amount of damage. Well, that's a quarter of its HP gone, at the very least. Ohhh, this is gonna suck. I'm really lucky Edward did not get taken out from that. Those armor purchases were money well spent. I'm still trying to have Edward inflict Poison, so he won't be doing any healing this turn. So I'm gonna have Dia make an express delivery to Edward since there's not much else she can do in this battle. Also, when you use EX with a restorative item, the restoration amount doubles. Ooh, now that's gonna be very helpful! Yeah, armor purchases make quite a difference since the Raging Beast was so close to killing Stella. And that's the Poison damage kicking in. It does quite a bit of damage at this point. I'm gonna have Edward Cure Stella just in case she gets attacked again. Also because Edward has nothing left to do in this battle. Though I do have Dia toss out another EX boosted Paro Fruit to Stella to ensure that she stays alive. Oh, sorry I meant Paro Nut. The fan translation has a couple of inconsistencies like that, though most are limited to the items you use in battle. Oh hey, my prediction was right after all. That Poison is doing a lot of work. Stella is out of mana, so she can no longer cast Power Crash. Not that it matters when the Raging Beast is about to die. And the Raging Beast just signed its own death warrant. Should have used Mow Down more. The Raging Beast is a real test of strategy simply because you don't have too many options at this point. I was just really lucky Edward landed that Poison, as that was one of the biggest reasons I won without too much trouble. The Predator Meat increases a Fighter's POW stat by 3 for the day. It's rather potent considering just how powerful that stat is. The party automatically heads up. Menas checks to see if we did kill the Raging Beast. Our party automatically leaves. We automatically get teleported back to the beginning of the cave. Sadly, we don't get fully healed up. Anyways, the party got a level up, so let's spend those skill points. Axes now have a 122% multiplier applied to their weapon attack. Venom now has a 45% chance to land, as well as having a poison power of 350%, so it deals 73 Poison damage. Mana Mastery now increases mana spell damage by 15 points, and increases the speed of mana spells by 112%. Heated Words now provides a 121% multiplier to the party's attack. Next time, we'll go back to report our success. 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The Raging Beast is definitely an additional step up in an already steep early game. It's actually naturally easier in the unpatched version since the higher encounter rate means more XP for your party. But in exchange getting through the Nameless Cave in one go can be much harder depending on what enemies you encounter - even with the full heal waiting for you. Without the humane patch I am usually around level 8 when fighting the Raging Beast. Not because I grind for it but simply because the encounter rate forces me back to Kazan that often. I never knew there was that much updated text. Looking for specific text in Miross between taking the first mission and completing it is something I never even considered.
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werbear posted:I never knew there was that much updated text. Looking for specific text in Miross between taking the first mission and completing it is something I never even considered. There is SO MUCH additional text than you would think. Someone could sneeze and everyone has something new to say across the world.
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The Raging Beast is more of a stat check than anything else, and a reminder to go buy equipment if you haven't got around to doing that. There's not any advanced strategy you can do at such a low level. I'm curious how well venom is going to scale later in the game, never bothered trying it out myself.
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Wiffle posted:The Raging Beast is more of a stat check than anything else, and a reminder to go buy equipment if you haven't got around to doing that. There's not any advanced strategy you can do at such a low level. Not that well. Honestly I'm only picking it up just so Edward has something other than healing to do in battles. Though at the very least, it's one of the easier ailments to land.
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Mar 4, 2017 18:49
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So how's this game stack up against EO2 when it comes to glitches? Looks about equal in terms of playability (or it would be if not for the asinine way damage tiles work in the base game).
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Grashbar posted:There is SO MUCH additional text than you would think. Someone could sneeze and everyone has something new to say across the world. While I can respect the effort that must have gone into this, honestly I hate that kind of thing in games and reading all the NPC text just makes me zone out and skim past most of the LP. Clarste fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Mar 4, 2017 |
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Mar 4, 2017 20:03
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At least in EO it always follows a very consistent pattern. Every floor cleared, check in on each NPC (and that there's a very limited number of them helps too). Here though, I feel most people would eventually just forgo most NPCs they don't pass by along the way of their immediate goal, if even that much.
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Grashbar posted:There is SO MUCH additional text than you would think. Someone could sneeze and everyone has something new to say across the world. At the beginning, sure. But eventually the NPC dialogue stops updating as much. Rangpur posted:So how's this game stack up against EO2 when it comes to glitches? Looks about equal in terms of playability (or it would be if not for the asinine way damage tiles work in the base game). There aren't too many glitches in the game, and the ones that exist aren't nearly as interesting as the ones in EO2. I've played through the game without the USA patch, and it's certainly playable, but it's just really annoying. You just have to pack way more healing supplies, which might actually mean something if you didn't have so much inventory space. And if the difficulty didn't plummet off a cliff after the Raging Beast. Clarste posted:While I can respect the effort that must have gone into this, honestly I hate that kind of thing in games and reading all the NPC text just makes me zone out and skim past most of the LP. Yeah, after the prologue, I'm gonna start sectioning all that off into side updates so they can be skipped over more easily if people want to ignore them. And still there for the people that want to read them. It stops updating nearly as often after that point. (Also they're forcing me to cut off updates way sooner than I want to due to how many characters they take up.) freshlybaked posted:At least in EO it always follows a very consistent pattern. Every floor cleared, check in on each NPC (and that there's a very limited number of them helps too). Here though, I feel most people would eventually just forgo most NPCs they don't pass by along the way of their immediate goal, if even that much. The other problem with this is that NPCs that didn't give out a quest before will suddenly give one out after a certain point. Etrian at the very least had clearly defined breakpoints for those too. Araxxor fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Mar 4, 2017 |
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Dr. Fetus posted:Okay, a little word of warning. The first three quests we did are mandatory. However, any more that pop up in the prologue are optional. But if you don't finish them before the prologue is over, the quests disappear forever. There are 4 quests left in the prologue, one of which is this one. The other three will become available after we complete the mission. Welp, guess who missed four quests -_-
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Update 5: The Case of the Fried Shrimp Time to report this mission as a success. After doing so, a man comes in. Instead of talking to Erin, let's look around town first, yet again. Okay, now let's talk to Erin. Kingsblade leaves. Fade to black. This actually counts as an inn stay. So Kingsblade taught us how to gather. Basically there are certain spots in a dungeon you can search to get some items. And a few NPCs tell us about this, so you'd think this is something you'll be able to do really soon. Yeah here's the problem. We need both a survey skill and a gather skill to be able to do that. We have a gather skill, but when is the earliest we can pick up a survey skill? Slightly less than halfway through the game, which we aren't even close to yet. Welcome to 7th Dragon. Yeah, that quest trigger makes very little sense. Both of these ailments are similar in what they do. When a party member is confused, you have no control over them, and they have a 50% chance of targeting either an enemy or an ally. Confusion stays after battle, so that's also kind of annoying. Charm is similar to confusion, except affected allies will always attack their allies. Thankfully it does go away after battle. However, Charm is an enemy only ailment. No class is capable of inflicting it in any way. Okay, now let's actually meet with him. In actuality, they already assigned us to this mission. No need to head to the quest office. A nice bit of streamlining. The game really could have used more of it. Our party leaves. We regain control over our party at this point. There's only one quest left in Kazan. The rest are in Miross. And like I said, the game automatically assigned this mission to us. Oh but a word of warning, the prologue will end once you turn in this mission. So if you haven't got any leftover quests done, do so before coming back here. Alright, let's get that quest done. We need to head down to the bar in the inn's basement. Now we need to talk to all the people here to get their accounts. Now we have to talk to everyone again. This prompt will pop up. Investigating a suspect right away will do nothing. You have to say no first to get more info out of them. This is because the info the suspects give out will implicate another suspect, at which point you'll be able to accuse them. After investigating a likely suspect, you'll have the option to accuse them. But accusing a suspect will end the quest, and I don't want to accuse the bartender. For now, I'll just interrogate everyone else. I'll interrogate the bartender first.    Now let's investigate the suspects.        Unfortunately, I forgot to pick up the dialogue for investigating Karyu in my playthrough, so I'll skip over that one. As for who I want to accuse... I'm gonna accuse the Dating Man. After making the accusation, you'll want to pardon your suspect. Accusing a suspect, then pardoning them will grant you an additional reward. (And yes, each suspect has their own re-enactment scene, so there are multiple correct answers here.) Not letting them go denies it. Anyways, as for what you can get: In all honesty, the best reward comes from accusing the Dating Man. It provides a very good life and mana boost, which not many classes can say no to at this point in the game. I put this on Edward since I want him to be more durable, and he burns a lot of mana. Also, I want him to be able to heal more for an upcoming section of the game. Okay, let's turn in that quest. The actual reward itself is kind of meh, but there's not a lot of effort you have to go through to get it anyway. The Survival Belt is definitely the best reward you can snag from it. That's all for Kazan for now. But before we head over to Miross, there's one enemy I didn't get to cover. In both Rorakka Cavern and the Nameless Cave, there's one enemy that has a fairly low appearance rate.  Autumn Tortoise Level: 4 LIFE: 36 ATK: 34 DEF: 17 INT: 12 SPD: 10 Attack Type: Blunt Size: Large Exp: 48 Gold: 20 Item Drops: -Normal: Summer Foilage - 30% Drop Rate. 3 needed to unlock the Mage's Wand (+10 ATK, +4 mana.) --Plants from a Summer Tortoise. [sic] (Both the name and description got mixed up with another item.) -Rare: N/A Damage Multipliers: Slash: 50% Blunt: 50% Thrust: 50% Fire: 100% Ice: 100% Lightning: 100% Skills: Hide in Shell: Multiplies the user's DEF by 120% for 5 turns. Has a speed modifier of 80%. Autumn Tortoises can be kind of a handful early on, especially since they're resistant to physical attacks. But once you gain a few levels, they won't be so bad when you're able to go toe to toe with them. Mages don't care about them, though. Let's check out Rorakka Forest again. We still can't enter this place. Remember this NPC for a bit later. Keep this NPC in mind for now. Here's another NPC you should remember. Walking over here automatically triggers a scene. And here's the 3rd quest we can take. Escaping is mainly based on your SPD stat. You also want to keep this NPC in mind. And here's the last quest in the prologue. Oh yeah, I missed this Mana Water in the back hall. (Thanks to forums user Efe for letting me know.) Ha ha ha, you're such a funny man. Okay, let's take up these 2 quests. Description: Watering can from the garden maze. Handy for watering flowers. I'm sure you can see where this is going. It's basically just one of those trading quests, though there aren't that many people we have to talk to. That's actually the final place we need to go, but no one there wants a watering can. First, we need to talk to this NPC. The next step is to talk to this NPC. Next NPC to talk to is this one. The last step is to talk to this guy. That's all for this quest. Let's give these back to the client. That's the 3rd quest down, let's get started on the 4th one. When in doubt, talk to the quest giver again. They sometimes have another hint to give. Said trader is in the inn. Something I want to point out is that there is another portal up here, but you can't do anything with it yet. You need to search this spot. You're thrown into a battle here but... They're really not much of a threat. Oh come on, the exact same encounter formation? Mix it up a bit! That fight did grant our party a level up, at the very least.    And that's all the quests we can do in the prologue. Let's turn them in.    The Dagger is a weapon for the Rogue. This will let them use their dagger skills. We don't have one in the party, so it's worthless to us. Our party also leveled up to 7, so let's spend their skill points.  Or rather, try to because some skills in this game need more than 1 skill point to level them up. I'll have to hold off on Stella's skill point for now.  Venom now has a 50% infliction rate, and a poison power of 400%. So it deals 83 Poison damage.  Mana mastery now adds 18.75 damage to mana spells, and applies an 118% multiplier to mana spell speed modifiers.  Heated Words now applies a 122% multiplier to the party's ATK stats. I'll end things off here for now. Next time, we'll finish up the prologue. Araxxor fucked around with this message at 06:35 on Mar 5, 2017 |
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Stella is the perfect person for that stupid Shrimp quest. Only she would feel for someone that's missing a tiny amount of food while also being way too excited about playing detective. She probably has a checkered hat and a bubble pipe. And it's good to see Nila, our resident mage and therefore borderline bookworm, nerd out and get into something that does not involve blowing up people. And now Odyssey can gather five times every day! If only they would be able to find something to gather... Well, I'm sure it's impossible to find ore in a cave that was clearly used as a mine without some sort of special training. It's a bit strange how the people of Kazan are all over you for stomping a single bear. The main export of the city is Hunter guilds so they should be used to that kind of success... Unless gameplay and lore align and most guilds get eaten by rabbits. The airhead guild we helped assemble as one of our first quest... We send them to their doom, didn't we?
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You should probably host the updates on lpix or something. There's only two on this page and it's already massive. Gathering... Not much else to say about it. There are so many bizarre decisions in this game, it's funny that this isn't nearly the worst.
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This game just feels so charming. A shame about all the gameplay problems in it or I'd want to play along with my own party.
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Rawkking posted:This game just feels so charming. A shame about all the gameplay problems in it or I'd want to play along with my own party. I've played through a large part of the game and I find the lore genuinely interesting, the art and music directions are pretty good, and the combat is brisk and snappy. The game's... questionable design choices don't detract my enjoyment too much, personally, but it's really a pity, because it could've been a really good RPG. It feels like the game tried to bite more than it could chew at times, and ended up having to rush the game out. The amount of updated text is a sign of this, and there are some other things later in the game that imply the same. It could've used a more rigorous editing/quality testing process.
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Wiffle posted:You should probably host the updates on lpix or something. There's only two on this page and it's already massive. You mean the screenshot test poster? I guess I could use that for now. (There was a more elegant solution I was hoping to get up and running, but severe technical difficulties got in the way.) Gonna try to have the end of the prologue up soon.
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Dr. Fetus posted:So Kingsblade taught us how to gather. Basically there are certain spots in a dungeon you can search to get some items. And a few NPCs tell us about this, so you'd think this is something you'll be able to do really soon. Yeah here's the problem. We need both a survey skill and a gather skill to be able to do that. We have a gather skill, but when is the earliest we can pick up a survey skill? And to think, I've been backtracking all over the place because I thought I didn't know what a gather spot looked like. Also my party is level 20 now and Blind continues to wear off before I get a single turn to make use of it. Poison and Paralysis have been working just fine for me, so I don't know why it's just Blind.
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Mar 5, 2017 10:38
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Flowers sure are pretty, aren't they?
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The lpix update is easier to read somehow. Probably due to larger text and the lack of avatar margin space that cramps up the page. e: The prologue may run a little long but otherwise I really like how the game handles it. The first dungeon giving you first-hand experience of how dangerous the Bloom is, and also exposure to your first Dragon, helps to give context to the intro sequence and makes you care about the major factions' reactions to the situation. It's a nicely executed hook, in my opinion. blizzardvizard fucked around with this message at 14:43 on Mar 5, 2017 |
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Mar 5, 2017 12:54
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Stella Holmes on the job. New update already; I can see you want to get through the prologue as quickly as possible. Which I can fully understand. Yeah, the First Dragon is a wimp. In EO terms he is not even an event boss but more of a glorified F.O.E. Overall I think the Bloom and sheer amount of dragons are meant to whittle you down. But since 7th Dragon is turn based and time freezes while you are in the menu its easy to have your HP and TP full for every fight. So that's more an annoyance than a threat. Aaaand the entire world goes to poo poo. As far as RPG settings go that is not as generic as it looks. Sure, starting towns blow up regularely but having the entire world destroyed (and it not being directly your fault) is a step up. Often RPG worlds start out as being overrun by evil but we saw and played how everything was before the dragons came. It's one story detail that makes 7th Dragon more enjoyable to play: You really know what you are fighting for and don't simply hear tales of better times.
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Mar 5, 2017 13:18
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Looks like there was another scene I missed. It is as you said, I wouldn't have thought to go back and see Doris at that point. Honestly, watching the map slowly fill out with the Bloom during the cutscene was a nice touch, I really got the sense that the world was being overrun. Though what I really like about this game is going to become more apparent in the next few updates.
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Mar 5, 2017 13:35
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Oh geez Rick, I think we opened up the Dragon portal, we need to get out of here.
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Mar 5, 2017 13:39
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The end of the prologue and transition to the opening credits is actually really cool to me. Sink into Flowers, World really set the mood and it's kinda making me actually pretty excited for what's to come, even if I suspect it's not all that special.
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Mar 5, 2017 14:44
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The official name Dragonsbane doesn't make any sense (aren't they good for dragons?), but the idea of the Bloom always seemed really cool to me. It really makes the dragons feel like this otherworldly force encroaching on the world, while also just being kind of pretty in isolation. Taking damage from stepping on it just seems unfun though. This opening sequence really reminded me of 2020 though. It's framed almost exactly the same, except instead of cutting to random fantasy kingdoms, it cuts to the President of the United States talking about an invasion of dragons.
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Mar 5, 2017 15:22
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Surely destroying the bridge will stop this army of... flying... dragons. Whoops. It is a cool sequence though. The prologue makes you think this'll be some light-hearted 'adventurers do all sorts of silly quests!' game, and then suddenly it's the Dragonpocalypse!
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Mar 5, 2017 15:25
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I like how even with the entire world being overrun, no one other than the party has been able to kill a single significant dragon.
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Mar 5, 2017 15:43
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Zanzibar Ham posted:Surely destroying the bridge will stop this army of... flying... dragons. Yeah, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense the way dragons are introduced. As we will soon see many dragons have sprites that look more like dinosaurs, especially minor ones. But both for the invasion as well as the First Dragon it's cooler if they look more dragon-y.
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Mar 5, 2017 15:48
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Wiffle posted:I like how even with the entire world being overrun, no one other than the party has been able to kill a single significant dragon. I didn't get the impression that the dragon you fought was significant. It was just one of the same fodder dragons that the President of Kazan was trying to fight many of by himself.
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Mar 5, 2017 15:52
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Well then. sure just did happen. To the entire planet. Or maybe just this region of it.
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Mar 5, 2017 15:53
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Clarste posted:I didn't get the impression that the dragon you fought was significant. It was just one of the same fodder dragons that the President of Kazan was trying to fight many of by himself. By significant I'm talking about the symbol encounter dragons that the counter at the bottom right is tracking.
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Mar 5, 2017 16:16
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Oh man, I'm really hoping that counter is in fact a dragon counter, and the party gets to marathon through a whole chunk of them at some point.
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Mar 5, 2017 17:59
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Well, that escalated quickly. That bloom seems like an interesting idea in theory that got sort of spoiled in practice.werbear posted:Stella Holmes on the job. This is wonderful and you are a good person.
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Mar 5, 2017 19:59
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We're already the great hope of humanity in the ending scene of the prologue? Did something happen to Kingsblade?
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Mar 5, 2017 22:14
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Wiffle posted:By significant I'm talking about the symbol encounter dragons that the counter at the bottom right is tracking. Oh. Well, I don't know how it works in this game, but in later games it only counts the dragons that you are personally able to kill. I wouldn't be surprised if, for example, the kingdom with the guy who loves swords manages to successfully secure their borders for most of the game until they get invaded by a super-dragon or something.
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Mar 5, 2017 23:16
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Efe posted:Looks like there was another scene I missed. It is as you said, I wouldn't have thought to go back and see Doris at that point. Honestly, watching the map slowly fill out with the Bloom during the cutscene was a nice touch, I really got the sense that the world was being overrun. Though what I really like about this game is going to become more apparent in the next few updates. I actually discovered that conversation purely by accident. I found out that Menas actually had 2 portraits (I think he's the only NPC that does that), and one only gets used before the dragons invade. So I tried to talk to him so I could rip the sprite (And replace the wrong mugshots in my updates), and stumbled upon that. werbear posted:Stella Holmes on the job. Ha, I'll place that in the OP. TheFireMagi posted:Oh man, I'm really hoping that counter is in fact a dragon counter, and the party gets to marathon through a whole chunk of them at some point. That is actually the dragon counter. Yes, there are actually 666 dragons we have to kill.  (Later games lowered the amount of dragons severely.)Rawkking posted:We're already the great hope of humanity in the ending scene of the prologue? Did something happen to Kingsblade? We killed a dragon, they didn't. 
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werbear posted:Stella Holmes on the job. I personally thank you for this. It is great. Also I'm surprised that everything went to hell after the prologue but it does make for a more interesting world, full of deadly flowers and deadlier dragons. That said, with how much of a pushover the first one was for a beginner guild, it's kind of hard to believe that the rest would be a threat to the entire world which includes much stronger Hunters. Even if there's 665 of them.
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Mar 5, 2017 23:39
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Clarste posted:Oh. Well, I don't know how it works in this game, but in later games it only counts the dragons that you are personally able to kill. I wouldn't be surprised if, for example, the kingdom with the guy who loves swords manages to successfully secure their borders for most of the game until they get invaded by a super-dragon or something. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the dragon 'counter' in the series has always represented all the dragons in the area, not the dragons you personally killed. We're on the world map, so right now there are 665 dragons in the world The bloom in dungeons without bosses goes away when the counter hits 0 Rawkking posted:We're already the great hope of humanity in the ending scene of the prologue? Did something happen to Kingsblade? Let's just say there is a VERY consistent way 7th dragon games treat the players party, if Menas's line in the last update didn't tip you off.
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Mar 5, 2017 23:49
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Wiffle posted:Correct me if I'm wrong, but the dragon 'counter' in the series has always represented all the dragons in the area, not the dragons you personally killed. We're on the world map, so right now there are 665 dragons in the world The bloom in dungeons without bosses goes away when the counter hits 0 Again, I don't know about this game, but it sure as hell doesn't work that way in 2020 or VFD. Dozens if not hundreds of dragons get killed offscreen by other powerful organizations without the counter being affected at all.
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It is specifically the dragons you kill. A few NPCs mention taking some out offscreen.
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Alright, good to know. I guess the 666 is just trying to be cool then.
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