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Taear
Nov 26, 2004

Ask me about the shitty opinions I have about Paradox games!
On "I'm a Celebrity" there was a question about if Class affects your opportunities and everyone there thought it didn't. Because they didn't understand what that really meant.
I'm talking celebrities like Kezia Dugdale, Stanley Johnson. Actual politicians.

It felt like they were interpreting the question as "If you're working class you're allowed to do anything you like" instead of "Because you are rich you can do more stuff". It's pretty worrying that even politicians interpret it that way.

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VideoGames
Aug 18, 2003

Tigey posted:

Anime is bringing down a cabinet minister?


Is there anything it can't do?:allears:

Prevent arguments in Games.

Pesmerga
Aug 1, 2005

So nice to eat you

Hey, sent you a PM about something. No need to respond, but just letting you know in case you haven’t seen it. :)

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Ah, the goatse humblebrag

Pesmerga
Aug 1, 2005

So nice to eat you

Tesseraction posted:

Ah, the goatse humblebrag

What on Earth is that? :gonk:

Pluskut Tukker
May 20, 2012

Junior G-man posted:

Is there a specific thing you're talking about here? I'm trying to come up with one?

The EU Council of Regions is nominally of the same rank as Parliament and Council, but I promise you nobody gives a gently caress about them.

The Committee of the Regions is in fact so little respected that people don't even get its name right ;).

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea

Nice. Fail and die, fascist scum.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Pesmerga posted:

What on Earth is that? :gonk:

Letting us know you've primed the trap.

Junior G-man
Sep 15, 2004

Wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma


Pluskut Tukker posted:

The Committee of the Regions is in fact so little respected that people don't even get its name right ;).

There's a long-standing joke about Brussels' EU bubble dating that roughly goes:

Girl: Well I work at the Happy Animal Foundation, we're against animal cruelty bla bla bla

Guy: Well, I'm working for the Committee of the Regions and we ... wait! Don't run away!

Rupert of Hentzau
Nov 23, 2005
Victim of gross furniture discourtesy.
Sadly the Mail's share price tanking is down to the parent company making some bad investments rather than because the actual site itself is doing badly: http://fortune.com/2017/11/30/daily-mail-general-trust-share-price-xceligent/

quote:

MailOnline is doing just fine. The flagship website brought in £119 million in revenues for the year, up from £93 million the year before, and is profitable. The Daily Mail and Mail on Sunday print newspapers, however, saw revenues fall 6% from £484 million to £455 million.

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall
So is Trump actually not coming after May and Rudd both said he is yesterday? Between this and the announcement about Ireland, is the foreign office taking matters into its own hands?

Because that would be hilarious

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon
Damian Green's wikipedia page contains an odd factoid...

quote:

His favourite actor is Evan Stone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evan_Stone

:thunk:

Not Operator
Jan 1, 2009

Not A doctor, THE Doctor!

Kurtofan posted:

Damian Green's wikipedia page contains an odd factoid...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evan_Stone

:thunk:

To be fair to Green, that guy does seem to have won a lot of awards.

e: what's the oscar for porn stars?

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Taear posted:

On "I'm a Celebrity" there was a question about if Class affects your opportunities and everyone there thought it didn't. Because they didn't understand what that really meant.
I'm talking celebrities like Kezia Dugdale, Stanley Johnson. Actual politicians.

It felt like they were interpreting the question as "If you're working class you're allowed to do anything you like" instead of "Because you are rich you can do more stuff". It's pretty worrying that even politicians interpret it that way.
I don't see how they can look at something like

and say that the class that you're born into has no effect on your access to opportunities and likely outcomes.

Would they say the same about race or gender?

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Rupert of Hentzau posted:

Sadly the Mail's share price tanking is down to the parent company making some bad investments rather than because the actual site itself is doing badly: http://fortune.com/2017/11/30/daily-mail-general-trust-share-price-xceligent/

The paper is the part I want to die. Their website is boosted by dumbshit americans so I don't care about that so much as having our coffin dodgers reading less fashy rags.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Not Operator posted:

To be fair to Green, that guy does seem to have won a lot of awards.

e: what's the oscar for porn stars?

given it's the only one I've heard of, the AVN, which he appears to have won many times

Edison was a dick
Apr 3, 2010

direct current :roboluv: only

Taear posted:

On "I'm a Celebrity" there was a question about if Class affects your opportunities and everyone there thought it didn't. Because they didn't understand what that really meant.
I'm talking celebrities like Kezia Dugdale, Stanley Johnson. Actual politicians.

It felt like they were interpreting the question as "If you're working class you're allowed to do anything you like" instead of "Because you are rich you can do more stuff". It's pretty worrying that even politicians interpret it that way.

Well yeah, that would require a modicum of self awareness.

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

Tesseraction posted:

given it's the only one I've heard of, the AVN, which he appears to have won many times

there's a goon thread in a/t by a guy who claims to have been an inventor/very early adopter of PoV porn that talks about him going to the AVNs and I think even winning one

it's an interesting thread, unless you are damian green, because it is not about cartoon children

CptAwesome
Nov 2, 2005

Guavanaut posted:

I don't see how they can look at something like

and say that the class that you're born into has no effect on your access to opportunities and likely outcomes.

Would they say the same about race or gender?

I'd imagine they just don't look at things like that. They don't think about it. It's a non-issue to them.

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

Ask me about the shitty opinions I have about Paradox games!

Guavanaut posted:

I don't see how they can look at something like

and say that the class that you're born into has no effect on your access to opportunities and likely outcomes.

Would they say the same about race or gender?

I think so. The question was "What proportion of the British public think that your class has a bearing on your opportunities in life".
Every one of them seemed to interpret in the way that "if you're lower class, you would be restricted from doing stuff". Like it was a culture thing.

So I assume that if they asked the question with gender instead they'd say "No, being a [wo/man] doesn't affect your choices in life". It bothered me that Kezia Dugdale also thinks that, I guess. Or at least doesn't understand what the question really means. You know, in theory a woman CAN be a builder. They "just don't apply for it".
Meaning they have the same opportunities!

Taear fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Dec 1, 2017

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

Spangly A posted:

there's a goon thread in a/t by a guy who claims to have been an inventor/very early adopter of PoV porn that talks about him going to the AVNs and I think even winning one

it's an interesting thread, unless you are damian green, because it is not about cartoon children

If you mean darkpriest, he's been nominated a couple of times but never won.

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


ookiimarukochan posted:

The extreme porn stuff kicked in before Green was caught with his "at the time legal" porn - the change that has kicked in between then and now was the criminalisation of drawn child pornography (i.e. all the anime/manga stuff) and I'd bet good money that's what he was looking at.

It would also explain them saying he looked at thousands of "images" if he's reading childporn comics.
Nobody looks at porn "images" that's stupid.

It would also explain why he's bricking it, dudes a Lolita or whatever

E: "if I may have a chance to explain to the viewers at home... She was actually a 5000 year old dragon in a child's body"

escapegoat
Aug 18, 2013

ookiimarukochan posted:

The extreme porn stuff kicked in before Green was caught with his "at the time legal" porn - the change that has kicked in between then and now was the criminalisation of drawn child pornography (i.e. all the anime/manga stuff) and I'd bet good money that's what he was looking at.

His porn was discovered in 2008, and the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 didn't come into force until January 2009.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Spangly A posted:

it's an interesting thread, unless you are damian green, because it is not about cartoon children
If it was 'drawn indecency which would be currently illegal' then that's far less amusing than if it were 'extreme porn', because the definition of the former are so broad as to include anything from near-photorealistic (but not pseudophotographic) depictions of serious child abuse all the way down to stupid joke images of Bart Simpson's balls provided that a prosecutor thinks it's not funny, whereas the latter almost certainly means he was looking at people loving dogs.

nopantsjack posted:

Nobody looks at porn "images" that's stupid.
People definitely visited at TGPs in the late 00s. TGPs had some weird as hell poo poo on in the mid-late 00s. He was looking at people loving dogs.

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall
The BBCs report of the latest on Damian Green was fantastically lazy journalism that reduced (correct me if I'm wrong) the allegation that the images were downloaded while he personally sent emails on his computer, traced to the office, on his personal login to an absurd he-said she-said, probity, who knows who to believe? nonsense statement.

Without mentioning the timestamps, or the personal login, both of which would make it rather hard to believe his story that IP addresses arent accurate and there are lots of computers in westminster.

Guavanaut posted:

If it was 'drawn indecency which would be currently illegal' then that's far less amusing than if it were 'extreme porn', because the definition of the former are so broad as to include anything from near-photorealistic (but not pseudophotographic) depictions of serious child abuse all the way down to stupid joke images of Bart Simpson's balls provided that a prosecutor thinks it's not funny, whereas the latter almost certainly means he was looking at people loving dogs.

dogs or corpses, lets not forget Yewtree

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Pesmerga posted:

Hey, sent you a PM about something. No need to respond, but just letting you know in case you haven’t seen it. :)

Oh hey, yeah! I wish SA made it more obvious when you have a message. Will have a look in a bit

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Spangly A posted:

Could anyone with working experience of the boundary review please explain to me what sort of inbred looked at our current population size and decided it'd be a good idea to have less MPs than we did in 1800, population approx 1/7th of current

We had 558 in 1800. You're thinking of 1801, when we added 100 from what used to be the Irish Parliament. Most of those constituencies don't belong to us any more (hence the current exciting shenanigans over there).

Tsaedje
May 11, 2007

BRAWNY BUTTONS 4 LYFE
Clearly he wrote some emails, left his computer unsecured and went out of the room and a naughty dog came in and viewed the pornography

double nine
Aug 8, 2013

Junior G-man posted:

There's a long-standing joke about Brussels' EU bubble dating that roughly goes:

Girl: Well I work at the Happy Animal Foundation, we're against animal cruelty bla bla bla

Guy: Well, I'm working for the Committee of the Regions and we ... wait! Don't run away!

I stand corrected, I had other notions.

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Guavanaut posted:

If it was 'drawn indecency which would be currently illegal' then that's far less amusing than if it were 'extreme porn', because the definition of the former are so broad as to include anything from near-photorealistic (but not pseudophotographic) depictions of serious child abuse all the way down to stupid joke images of Bart Simpson's balls provided that a prosecutor thinks it's not funny, whereas the latter almost certainly means he was looking at people loving dogs.


Actually I think you'll find Damian Green getting done for downloading "thousands of images" of Bart Simpson's balls is really rather amusing

Biggus Dickus
May 18, 2005

Roadies know where to focus the spotlight.

nopantsjack posted:

It would also explain them saying he looked at thousands of "images" if he's reading childporn comics.
Nobody looks at porn "images" that's stupid.

Didn't it say "thousands of thumbnails"? Sounded to me like he'd been browsing video search results.

Tsaedje posted:

Clearly he wrote some emails, left his computer unsecured and went out of the room and a naughty dog came in and viewed the pornography

They're good dogs, Tsaedje.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
He’s a Tory MP.

It’s all going to be middle aged men wearing suspenders being dominated by Mistress Pain.

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

feedmegin posted:

We had 558 in 1800. You're thinking of 1801, when we added 100 from what used to be the Irish Parliament. Most of those constituencies don't belong to us any more (hence the current exciting shenanigans over there).

my bad, and probably then a bit dodgy to go with the 10m number as well. So a more accurate estimate would be roughly 15.5m people for 658 constituencies, an MP per 23,000 people.

Now we have an MP per 100,000 people, and want to make that an MP per 108,000 people, and doing so would coincidentally give the tories a majority and wipe out all the fun Labour gains. Rosie Duffield loses her seat to Julian Brazier a year after beating him an election.

Representation proportionate to 1801 would give us 2823 MPs in the commons, which would present problems. This still feels like the wrong direction to go, in terms of democratic accountability (and, naturally, the representation of every minority can only be harmed in a FPTP system by reducing their relevance to a plurality).

Why not just make it 700 and work from there as we figure out how to create a slightly less poo poo version of democracy?

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


I prefer the anime porn story though, so like the pigs head, its the truth and it happened.

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer

Spangly A posted:

Representation proportionate to 1801 would give us 2823 MPs in the commons
Not relative to the franchise it wouldn't. It wasn't until later in the 19th century that many men got the vote, let alone women.

I don't know why you think having ten thousand MPs to account for this would make it less poo poo though.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Spangly A posted:

Why not just make it 700 and work from there as we figure out how to create a slightly less poo poo version of democracy?

Why is 700 a better number?

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

learnincurve posted:

He’s a Tory MP.

It’s all going to be middle aged men wearing suspenders being dominated by Mistress Pain.
I'm going to choose to believe that's a French name and he's got a bread fetish.

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

jBrereton posted:

Not relative to the franchise it wouldn't. It wasn't until later in the 19th century that many men got the vote, let alone women.

I don't know why you think having ten thousand MPs to account for this would make it less poo poo though.

fair points but changing the number is something the government do appear to want to do, although doesn't appear certain.

a form of PR and a better electoral system with recall clauses would be much better than ten thousand MPs I'm just not really seeing why the government want less MPs without going straight to "it helps the tories right now"

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


Everyone is an MP, direct democracy!

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Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

sebzilla posted:

Everyone is an MP, direct democracy!
Will we get suspended for shitposting?

Guavanaut posted:

I hope Harry books it for May 28th to spite them.
Roil weding chat, but he's gone and booked it for the 26th, breaking with tradition not to have it on a weekend and trolling downing street. Absolute lad, legernd, confiscate his assets anyway, etc.

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