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Jeb! Repetition posted:Anyway rudatron, as always, is right there have been more brutal owns in cspam, but this one is precisely tuned enough to captain "social justice is a lib plot to keep the white man down, also incels are just misunderstood" to put it in the hall of fame
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Oh, you appended a new lie to your little spiel of bullshit. You know, its funny. I've always managed to out debate people, and beat them out when it comes to the market place of ideas. But the inevitable result of that is people like yourself, spiteful little shits doing drive by poo poo posts, because they lost. Apparently I'm the only person here with any amount of integrity, because that is something ive never done.
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May 29, 2018 06:02
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rudatron posted:You know, its funny. I've always managed to out debate people, and beat them out when it comes to the market place of ideas. The latest idea you've been parroting in this thread is "don't ever be subservient to a romantic partner or they'll walk all over you" Great addition to the marketplace.
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May 29, 2018 06:04
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May 29, 2018 06:06
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rudatron posted:Oh, you appended a new lie to your little spiel of bullshit. speak to us more of the marketplace of ideas, rudatron, and of how men should go their own way rather than submit to hellish codependency
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May 29, 2018 06:07
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Healthy relationships are give and take. Abusive relationships are take take take. I'm really struggling to see how you can be so stupid.
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May 29, 2018 06:08
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Ze Pollack posted:speak to us more of the marketplace of ideas, rudatron, and of how men should go their own way rather than submit to hellish codependency Have I traveled into the illiterate dimension? How stupid can you be?
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May 29, 2018 06:10
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See, you have to negotiate your social relationships constantly. If your child can't make a good enough case for eating, it would be unmanly to spend one more dollar than you desired on them. This is because I flipped out like a pedant at seeing the word subordinate, and believe that nobody ever makes sacrifices for others without being a worthless beta.
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May 29, 2018 06:12
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rudatron posted:Healthy relationships are give and take. Abusive relationships are take take take. I'm really struggling to see how you can be so stupid. this "giving" sounds like subordinating yourself to the needs of others friend im assured by jeb's favorite poster that's cuck doormat talk
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rudatron posted:the basic function of a family is mutual dependence & respect, not exploitation. well, ideally anyway. even when rearing children, you're doing it because you want to do it, ie satisfying a need. This is exhibit A of you, yes you Ze Pollack, being an openly deceptive little poo poo, and just making poo poo up when convenient. What the gently caress is wrong with you?
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May 29, 2018 06:13
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I'm impressed that rudatron could squeeze this in at the last minute for Meltdown May.
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May 29, 2018 06:16
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Ze Pollack posted:there have been more brutal owns in cspam, but this one is precisely tuned enough to captain "social justice is a lib plot to keep the white man down, also incels are just misunderstood" to put it in the hall of fame I can't parse whether you're saying I'm that or rudatron is but I can tell you I'm definitely not
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Even if rudatron is being obnoxious and prickly like he do, the basics of what he's saying are so right they're hard to argue with, and that's 1. Being a good person is something you do for its own sake, not because you think it will get you laid, which it unequivocally won't 2. Being all-giving and not considering your own needs in a relationship will end in disaster
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May 29, 2018 06:37
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Greetings to the goons.txt twitter account.
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May 29, 2018 06:41
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Jeb! Repetition posted:2. Being all-giving and not considering your own needs in a relationship will end in disaster Surely you realize there's a middle ground between "being all-giving" and "must never be subservient" and that no one itt is advocating for "being all-giving and not considering your own needs"
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May 29, 2018 06:43
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WampaLord posted:Surely you realize there's a middle ground between "being all-giving" and "must never be subservient" Of course. But rudatron only seemed to be arguing against the former. That's why he was talking about "fairness" and "negotiation," not saying you have to dominate or always win.
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May 29, 2018 06:46
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There's a fine line between being a Devil's Advocate and the Devil's Dumbass.
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May 29, 2018 06:48
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Of course. But rudatron only seemed to be arguing against the former. That's why he was talking about "fairness" and "negotiation," not saying you have to dominate or always win. look reading is hard okay
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I'm reading the last 3 pages and it sounds like in daily life in a practical sense there's probably no actual difference in terms of attitude, you all have respectful relationships, and everyone is taking the most negative interpretation of the other framing here. Rudatron is still to blame for jumping on every mole hill possible and being intransigent. You invite this to yourself when you want to argue over the minutiae of word choices for everything imaginable.
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Someone posted “sometimes you have to put your needs second in a relationship” and rudatron barreled in going “ACTUALLY, relationships are about give and take and being a doormat is bad!” The following posts were a bunch of people dunking on rudatron for essentially repeating the same point as the first post but failing to realize he wasn’t actually arguing against anything anyone said
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May 29, 2018 07:39
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every time i do something nice for my "wife" like take out the trash that's 10 extra seconds of sexy time for me.
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I have to right to defend myself if I'm being attacked. I responded to what was written. Go read my initial response to what I originally quoted - its quite calm and measured. In response, a bunch of dipshits decided to attack both my character, and miscontrue my claim. I defended myself. In response to that, I get accused of being the bad guy. I didn't start anything. But for having the temerity to defend myself, I'm a villian. For getting frustated and and angry at being abused, and not taking your poo poo, I'm the enemy. You guys need to look at yourself in the mirror. Bunch of hypocrites.
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rudatron posted:the basic function of a family is mutual dependence & respect, not exploitation. well, ideally anyway. even when rearing children, you're doing it because you want to do it, ie satisfying a need. rudatron posted:the entire point is to be codependent. I literally have a post saying that the 'basis of a family is mutual dependency and respect'. Maybe it's because I'm the horrible type that never wants to have children, but this pretty much the opposite of my goals. How I see it, they call it a partner for a reason.
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Kit Walker posted:Someone posted “sometimes you have to put your needs second in a relationship” and rudatron barreled in going “ACTUALLY, relationships are about give and take and being a doormat is bad!” The following posts were a bunch of people dunking on rudatron for essentially repeating the same point as the first post but failing to realize he wasn’t actually arguing against anything anyone said What they posted was "people who subordinate their needs get laid" and Rudatron's reading of that wasn't unreasonable.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Even if rudatron is being obnoxious and prickly like he do, the basics of what he's saying are so right they're hard to argue with, and that's Yeah but rudatrons initial "don't be a doormat" was in response to someone suggesting seeing women as equal (which might have scared him bc it was referred to as embracing feminism), and he reframed the argument when he got called out on it. There are some purely semantic defenses of how rudatrons misread things, but you have to be pretty obtuse or just get off on being contrary to keep it up and triple double down. Edit: also he only sees discussion and winning or losing, and that's why he is so insufferable. He only wants to win, never to get closer to the truth by exchanging ideas. AxGrap has issued a correction as of 13:42 on May 29, 2018 |
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Back on topic: Incels are bad because they are a group of people who all agreed on some pretty bad stuff. A single incel probably needs more and better social interaction. We need to reach out to these people to help them and not isolate them. The organization needs damnation isolation and resistance. Incels are not people who can't get sex, incels are people who have aligned themselves with a poisonous ideology.
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AxGrap posted:Back on topic: they actively reject healthy social interaction, though. that's how they ended up as incels in the first place no one ostracized them. they ostracized themselves by deciding that the basic social requirement of (pretending to) treat other humans as equal beings with their own needs and desires was actually a diabolical feminist conspiracy to rob them of their male privilege, and then withdrawing from society as much as possible to own the libs it's impossible to help them as long as they base their ideology around refusing to accept help. and we can't just say "well, it doesn't hurt to try anyway", because reaching out to them means tolerating their violent misogynistic hatred for the sake of maintaining interactions with them, avoiding direct confrontation with their toxic bullshit because you don't want to drive them away
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I don't see how you have a dialog with incels. Their fundamental problem is that they can't see women as people, and I think any sort of attempt to reach out to them legitimizes that idea. What we need is real mental health system that can provide those people with help and counseling, while also hopefully developing a better understanding of what causes people to fall into that mindset.
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Main Paineframe posted:they actively reject healthy social interaction, though. that's how they ended up as incels in the first place I disagree on that last part, I have friends that I disagree with pretty fundamentaly and we can gently caress with each other about it or just stop talking about it. There non zero is a chance to open up some of their isolation and crack their lovely ideology. I am also comfortable enough with my own beliefs that I won't get pulled more to their side.
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Ze Pollack posted:there have been more brutal owns in cspam, but this one is precisely tuned enough to captain "social justice is a lib plot to keep the white man down, also incels are just misunderstood" to put it in the hall of fame He's also got an anime avatar, lol
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AxGrap posted:I disagree on that last part, I have friends that I disagree with pretty fundamentaly and we can gently caress with each other about it or just stop talking about it. There non zero is a chance to open up some of their isolation and crack their lovely ideology. I am also comfortable enough with my own beliefs that I won't get pulled more to their side. I feel like you don't understand just how much they actively fight good advice. Like people would come into r/incel go "Hey guys I started showering more and socializing with people and I got laid and I feel way better! There is hope!" and they would be downvoted into oblivion and accused of trolling and whatnot.
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