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Demon Of The Fall posted:I still can’t believe they traded Mack to Chicago, like lmao It's amazing how that trade looks worse and worse (For the Raiders) with each passing game.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:It's amazing how that trade looks worse and worse (For the Raiders) with each passing game. To be fair you can't judge it until you see what they get out of those picks. ... spoiler: a bunch of stuff that won't add up to half of Mack's value.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:It's amazing how that trade looks worse and worse (For the Raiders) with each passing game. hehe at you. Little smarty friend
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Oct 3, 2018 04:19
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Yall, Tyrod might've been extremely bad. https://twitter.com/FO_ScottKacsmar/status/1047222559832530947 For reference opponents were: Steelers, Saints and half Jets game>
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Oct 3, 2018 04:37
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Mack has been even more dominant in Chicago than he was in Oakland. At least it seems that way
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Oct 3, 2018 04:40
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SHOAH NUFF posted:Mack has been even more dominant in Chicago than he was in Oakland. At least it seems that way People are just actually seeing him now
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SHOAH NUFF posted:Mack has been even more dominant in Chicago than he was in Oakland. At least it seems that way (Raiders and Bears fans feel free to correct me, but) the biggest difference is the supporting cast. People may not realize it since the team was so otherwise so dire under Fox, but the Bears defense in past years hasn't been bad—Vic Fangio is a proven coordinator, and players like Akeem Hicks and Prince Amukamara are upper-tier quality starters. Adding Mack effectively turbocharged the defense, as now if teams want to deal with Mack, they often leave themselves vulnerable to Hicks or other players on the line. This simply wasn't the case in Oakland, where Mack was easier to contain thanks to a lack of talent elsewhere on the Raiders' defense. If anything, what this season has shown is just how disastrous this trade was for Oakland. The Bears had the talent and coaching in place to make use of Mack right away, whereas the Raiders are now back at square one—because even if they somehow miraculously draft a player even close to matching Mack's talent and ability, they'd lack the overall defensive talent to make the most of a player of that caliber. Mack isn't the kind of player you trade or let go—you do everything in your power to build your team around them. The Raiders utterly failed to do that in the years they had Mack, and now the Bears are reaping the benefits of Gruden's shortsightedness.
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Oct 3, 2018 05:10
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Mack isn't the kind of player you trade or let go—you do everything in your power to build your team around them. The Raiders utterly failed to do that in the years they had Mack, and now the Bears are reaping the benefits of Gruden's shortsightedness. As much as Raiders insider Warcrimes swears this wasn't the case I wonder if there isn't something to the rumor that Mark Davis didn't have the cash on hand to put in escrow for Mack's contract.
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Oct 3, 2018 05:17
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Grittybeard posted:As much as Raiders insider Warcrimes swears this wasn't the case I wonder if there isn't something to the rumor that Mark Davis didn't have the cash on hand to put in escrow for Mack's contract. I mean it's possible, but the more likely answer is still probably that the Raiders and Gruden were incompetent and simply didn't realize how good Mack actually is and how much he was being held back by his sub-par supporting cast.
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Oct 3, 2018 05:23
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Grittybeard posted:As much as Raiders insider Warcrimes swears this wasn't the case I wonder if there isn't something to the rumor that Mark Davis didn't have the cash on hand to put in escrow for Mack's contract. Pretty sure any bank will write out a loan for an NFL team.
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Oct 3, 2018 05:58
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Ches Neckbeard posted:Pretty sure any bank will write out a loan for an NFL team. He's super leveraged already because of the Vegas stadium/paying the NFL to move goes the theory I believe. But yeah it's hard to believe a bank would look at the money that will eventually be rolling into his pockets and not give him another 100 million or whatever on top of whatever he's already borrowing.
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I don't believe it had anything to do with the escrow poo poo. Gruden expected Mack to leave a shitload of money on the table for no reason. He's not a defensive coach so he doesn't give a poo poo about that side of the ball anyway. Why pay top dollar for someone not in his "amazing offense" or some bullshit like that. Basically gently caress Gruden. I wasn't excited about him coming back but was like "eh, gently caress it why not?" until this happened. He's tearing it down and "rebuilding" for Vegas like a bitchmade coach buying himself extra time to be lovely at his job. And Mack just seems "better" probably due to the spotlight put on the situation because of the trade. Dude was DPOY in 2016 and just a monster every year in the league so far. He might end up with some better numbers now since he has better teammates and a real coordinator though. RIP AFC West being 4/4 with quarterback murder machines I guarantee that if McKenzie were still in charge, Mack would still be a Raider. Not defending Reggie though, he had 1 good draft but otherwise has hosed the franchise hard with whiffing on every other pick for many years. Black Sunshine fucked around with this message at 06:14 on Oct 3, 2018 |
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Oct 3, 2018 06:11
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I think this past year's draft will rank as a good one, and they desperately need it to
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Oct 3, 2018 06:15
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The few draft articles I've seen have said this year's draft is all pass rushers and wide receivers. I bet the Raiders still blow it.
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Oct 3, 2018 06:16
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No Irish Need Imply posted:The few draft articles I've seen have said this year's draft is all pass rushers and wide receivers. I bet the Raiders still blow it. This last class was supposed to be loaded with star 3 down backs. Imagine the busts this year.
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Oct 3, 2018 06:21
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Play posted:I don't think people expected Keenum to be as bad as he was either i'll have you know that I expected him to be every bit this bad and more! 
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Oct 3, 2018 09:06
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How many 1st round picks land a player of Mack's caliber each year? Or each decade? Not loving many and I'm so glad he's no longer facing the Chiefs twice a year.
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Oct 3, 2018 09:33
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Someone past the tweet of Gruden doing his best Trump impression in an interview, where he says "I want players that want to be here, and Mack obviously didn't want to be here".
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Oct 3, 2018 12:41
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I think the feeling was that Mack was gonna do what Bell did, so they figured they'd trade him when they had the most leverage
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Grittybeard posted:As much as Raiders insider Warcrimes swears this wasn't the case I wonder if there isn't something to the rumor that Mark Davis didn't have the cash on hand to put in escrow for Mack's contract. That guy's disappearing act after the Raiders completely poo poo the bed is 
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Oct 3, 2018 13:22
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The Raiders record is not indicative of the talent in the team and I expect warcrimes to be back soon
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Oct 3, 2018 13:33
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Blitz7x posted:The Raiders record is not indicative of the talent in the team and I expect warcrimes to be back soon I mean, offensively they're a good team even if they turn the ball over in the red zone a bunch. But their defense is a pretty sorry lot without Mack. They have the worst pressure rate of anybody in the league right now and it's not like their back 7 is good enough to make up for their lack of pass rush. They also can't stop the run worth anything either.
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Oct 3, 2018 13:40
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The Raiders would be 0-4 coming off a loss at home to the Browns if not for some “the NFL is scripted” level bad officiating. Maybe that win, however ugly, will be the spark they needed. But it doesn’t exactly scream “this team is gonna be good any day now!”
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Fat Jesus posted:How many 1st round picks land a player of Mack's caliber each year? Or each decade? Not loving many and I'm so glad he's no longer facing the Chiefs twice a year. In a re-draft, a player like Mack usually goes #1 overall or behind whatever franchise QB was in that draft. He is a top 3 player at the second most valuable position. Player of Mack's caliber (perennial Pro Bowler/occasionally DPOY/OPOY candidate) comes around every other year, about. It is almost impossible that the Raiders will get another player of his caliber, even if you add up the value of the draft picks. There is something to be said about the value of two first round contracts vs. paying a guy $140 million though.
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Docjowles posted:The Raiders would be 0-4 coming off a loss at home to the Browns if not for some “the NFL is scripted” level bad officiating. Maybe that win, however ugly, will be the spark they needed. But it doesn’t exactly scream “this team is gonna be good any day now!” At the same time, they made the Rams look below average for three quarters, blew late game leads on the road at Denver and Miami, and put 45 points / 450 passing yards against a pretty drat good Browns defense. I'm not saying that they're good (they're not), but they're second in the league in offense and have much better coaches than last year
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Slowpoke! posted:In a re-draft, a player like Mack usually goes #1 overall or behind whatever franchise QB was in that draft. He is a top 3 player at the second most valuable position. For Mack's draft in particular, the QBs are Carr and Bortles, so Mack would probably go #1, or #2 behind Aaron Donald.
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Mack should have been well paid and built around in a far away place where the Packers only have to see him once every 4 years. gently caress the Raiders and gently caress Gruden.
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Oct 3, 2018 18:27
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Just teach Aaron Rodgers to flop and you neutralize Mack.
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Oct 3, 2018 18:33
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Fenrir posted:Mack should have been well paid and built around in a far away place where the Packers only have to see him once every 4 years. gently caress the Raiders and gently caress Gruden. Agreed. Mack was never really a problem for the Chargers and the Raiders were bad with him. But he terrorized other AFC QBs pretty well. I wish he was still in Oakland draining their salary cap
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Oct 3, 2018 18:38
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a neat cape posted:Mack was never really a problem for the Chargers Why bother putting in full effort against a team whose roster is all on IR by November?
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Oct 3, 2018 18:53
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Zerilan posted:Why bother putting in full effort against a team whose roster is all on IR by November? All except Rivers, who Mack sacked all of once in his entire career
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Oct 3, 2018 18:55
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a neat cape posted:All except Rivers, who Mack sacked all of once in his entire career That's kinda a crazy stat
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Oct 3, 2018 18:56
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Rivers is really good at getting rid of the ball quickly so it makes sense.
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Oct 3, 2018 19:00
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weird Asian candy posted:That's kinda a crazy stat Rivers gets the ball out quick but with the bad OLs we've had over the years, him only having one sack against Rivers is surprising. Von Miller, by comparison, has sacked Rivers 15 times
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Oct 3, 2018 19:01
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Ches Neckbeard posted:Yall, Tyrod might've been extremely bad. That's hilariously stark, especially with Mayfield being a goddamn rookie.
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Oct 3, 2018 19:05
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Rivers is really good at getting rid of the ball quickly so it makes sense. Yes, but... a neat cape posted:Von Miller, by comparison, has sacked Rivers 15 times What a huge and weird disparity.
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https://twitter.com/pauldehnerjr/status/1047521391891898368 https://twitter.com/Kat_Terrell/status/1047519996862259201 Marvin and Tez have a pretty weird relationship
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sean10mm posted:That's hilariously stark, especially with Mayfield being a goddamn rookie. Baker is so drat good.
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