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The torture scene is dumb, because they had to come up with an elaborate way to torture him without visible injuries. Why even do it all?
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I can't remember where I read or heard it (Sony hack?) but there was something about they already built this ridiculous torture chair prop for a ridiculous amount of money and then were sunk-cost fallacy forced into keeping it in the film even though it was completely superfluous.
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Aug 6, 2019 08:10
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935 posted:The problem with the Craig series, the same problem with The Office, Stranger Things, Fast & Furious... you name it. Characters become cartoonish exaggerations of themselves as the series goes on. The traits that audiences associate with a character get amplified over time until the series jumps the shark and fizzles. The loss of any subtlety or shading to characters over time seems to become inevitable unless the writers try really hard to keep on top of it. But if you've told a character's personal story in the first film, it's tough to keep coming up with new aspects of them to explore, so it's easier to retread old ground, only more so. Same with action; how do you top a ship that splits in half and turns into a hydrofoil? A volcano base that launches space rockets!
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Aug 6, 2019 08:26
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Where did I first read the quote that "everytime they make a Bond film they try to make another Goldfinger but wind up with another Thunderball." Kinda sums it up really.
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Aug 7, 2019 04:32
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Just going to point out Thunderball owns.
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Aug 7, 2019 18:00
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Brosnan was dealt a dud hand. Only Goldeneye was great. Livewire (1992) is his second best bond movie and it isn't even a bond movie. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCitfvs3wqQ&t=264s Hell, they re-use the same plot device (ice/water = bomb) at the start of The World Is Not Enough.
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Spacebump posted:Just going to point out Thunderball owns. Thunderball is the blueprint and possible best of the goofy and over the top ones (which is strengthened by it coming out twice), even if I like the absurdity of You Only Live Twice a little more.
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Aug 13, 2019 12:58
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Goldfinger is such a normie-tier choice for best Bond movie. Thunderball is a lot more fun.
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As far as Bond movies, there's nothing particularly more painful about Brosnan movies than the Moore ones. For some reason the Moore ones seem to get on TV a lot more often, it feels more difficult to find the Connery movies.
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Thunderball is really good and often underrated but if you're gonna tell me it's better than From Russia With Love we have a problem.
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Guys it wasn't a statement of one being better than the other. It's comparing a grounded spy film with just the right amount of ridiculous comedy vs an over the top spectacle follow up.
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Bruceski posted:Quantum of Solace is the obvious answer. It's a but cliche to hate on it but that movie was so, so bad. Just a mess in pretty much every area. A sweeping failure indeed.
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I recently watched through them with my son, and I just could not get into Thunderball at all. Since no one asked, here's my favorite from each actor: Connery: From Russia with Love, by far. Lazenby: OHMSS by default but it was far better than I thought it would have been. Moore: The Spy who Loved Me, with For Your Eyes Only drawing a close second. Dalton: License to Kill. Brosnan: Goldeneye, by far. Craig: Casino Royale AFewBricksShy fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Aug 14, 2019 |
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I actually rewatch Quantum of Solace any time I'm watching the Craig Bonds just because the plot is such a direct sequel to Casino Royale. But I marvel at the ridiculously inept car chase opening every single time because it's just so so bad. I know the behind the scenes reasons for why it turned out that way but it really is a sight to behold. You absolutely cannot follow any of the action at all and because the movie jumps into the scene with nothing to establish what's what, you can't even tell which car Bond is driving half the time. I think it's gotta be the unquestioned worst car chase to ever appear in a blockbuster film.
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Basebf555 posted:But I marvel at the ridiculously inept car chase opening every single time because it's just so so bad. I know the behind the scenes reasons for why it turned out that way but it really is a sight to behold. You absolutely cannot follow any of the action at all and because the movie jumps into the scene with nothing to establish what's what, you can't even tell which car Bond is driving half the time. I think it's gotta be the unquestioned worst car chase to ever appear in a blockbuster film. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfYC_CBNtiM For anyone who wants to rewatch. Edit: Basebf555 posted:Hey you're entitled to your opinion but man I just don't get it. I see no redeeming qualities in that scene. I think you'll find that this is the internet, therefore my opinion is the only valid one and you should be ashamed to differ from mine. AFewBricksShy fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Aug 14, 2019 |
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Aug 14, 2019 16:36
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AFewBricksShy posted:I always liked that car chase. I loved using the quarry roads as the setting, and I never had an issue with who was in what car. At 1:00 in the engine noises just absolutely exploding you into the middle of the chase was awesome in a theater. Hey you're entitled to your opinion but man I just don't get it. I see no redeeming qualities in that scene.
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The only good scene in QoS is the opera scene, much like the only good scene in Spectre is the pretitle sequence. However I prefer QoS on the whole over Spectre as while I feel like QoS is just simmering in mediocrity it doesn't make any profoundly stupid or unnecessary decisions like Spectre does. Hell you could argue the car chase in Spectre is the complete opposite of the one in Quantum, it's slow, boring, lacking any sort of tension, and has several dumb gags that aren't funny. Cacator fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Aug 14, 2019 |
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Aug 14, 2019 17:57
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Cacator posted:Hell you could argue the car chase in Spectre is the complete opposite of the one in Quantum, it's slow, boring, lacking any sort of tension, and has several dumb gags that aren't funny.
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Aug 14, 2019 18:56
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Basebf555 posted:I actually rewatch Quantum of Solace any time I'm watching the Craig Bonds just because the plot is such a direct sequel to Casino Royale. But I marvel at the ridiculously inept car chase opening every single time because it's just so so bad. I know the behind the scenes reasons for why it turned out that way but it really is a sight to behold. You absolutely cannot follow any of the action at all and because the movie jumps into the scene with nothing to establish what's what, you can't even tell which car Bond is driving half the time. I think it's gotta be the unquestioned worst car chase to ever appear in a blockbuster film. Funnily enough it competes with Spectre in this regard, although the Spectre chase is mostly just boring. E:f;b
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Whatever conceptual qualities I might be able to appreciate in that scene, it's one of the only instances of a movie making me genuinely nauseated when I watched it in a theater.
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Aug 15, 2019 02:14
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A+ title. https://twitter.com/007/status/1163843400644403200?s=21
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I don't understand why they just don't pull more book titles. Zero Minus Ten, Devil May Care, Carte Blanche are all decent post-Fleming titles.
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I like it!
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Lazy and generic title, imo. Doesn't really fit with the Craig filmography, either. Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace, Skyfall, Spectre, all cool and evocative names. Then here we have No Time to Die.
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Aug 20, 2019 17:35
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- No Time to Die. - Fair dinkum, mate. You got time tomorrow?
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Cacator posted:I don't understand why they just don't pull more book titles. Zero Minus Ten, Devil May Care, Carte Blanche are all decent post-Fleming titles. there’s no point in using the book titles when you’re not using any content from the book
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Aug 20, 2019 17:50
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Gargamel Gibson posted:- No Time to Die. suggesting he’ll Die Another Day? no thanks
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Aug 20, 2019 17:51
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It is a nice pattern in a way. Both Moore and Dalton's final films had Kill in the title, now both Brosnan and Craig have Die in the title.
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Cerv posted:there’s no point in using the book titles when you’re not using any content from the book Better not watch The Spy Who Loved Me, Octopussy, A View to a Kill or Quantum of Solace then.
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John McLane crossover, No Time To Die Hard
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Cacator posted:Better not watch The Spy Who Loved Me, Octopussy, A View to a Kill or Quantum of Solace then. Or basically any bond movie really lol Adapt Moonraker already!
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I'm here to make it official, No Time To Die is a really dumb title. It's no Attack of the Clones but it's up there.
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You're all crazy AND you know what, The Writing on the Wall is a good Bond intro song.  Edit: I may not be a good judge of titles, I've always thought Die Hard With a Vengeance should have won an honorary Oscar for most rad movie title in history. Violator fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Aug 20, 2019 |
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Aug 20, 2019 19:47
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Writings on the wall is bottom tier trash. Right up there with die another day.
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Writing's on the Wall is literally a demo take that they said, "Eh, good enough," and used it. It's a loving terrible Bond theme and as a song in general, it's godawful.
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Wasn’t he drunk? He sounded drunk lmao
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CelticPredator posted:Wasn’t he drunk? He sounded drunk lmao No, that's just Sam Smith's lovely way of singing. They banged out a demo track in 45 minutes and then recorded the orchestral backing for it, and he won a loving Oscar for it.
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Timby posted:No, that's just Sam Smith's lovely way of singing. They banged out a demo track in 45 minutes and then recorded the orchestral backing for it, and he won a loving Oscar for it. I'll always remember Common's disappointed and bewildered reaction as he read out the winner, and Sam Smith claiming he was the first gay man to win an Oscar during his speech (he wasn't)
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