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Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


Yeah my company's Shenzhen factory seems good to go and word from our rep there is that, at least in Shenzhen, the general mood is "the worst is behind us"

He also mentioned that a shitload of entertainment/catering/restaurant businesses went belly-up due to having literally no business for several months :(

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Jaxyon
Mar 7, 2016
I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.
Starbucks claims 85% of it's places are back up and running but I don't know if that's a good sign

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-27/starbucks-says-viral-impact-waning-85-of-china-stores-now-open

ghostwritingduck
Aug 26, 2004

"I hope you like waking up at 6 a.m. and having your favorite things destroyed. P.S. Forgive me because I'm cuter than that $50 wire I just ate."

This is going to be a disaster in the US. People can’t stay home sick AND they can’t afford medical care.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

ghostwritingduck posted:

This is going to be a disaster in the US. People can’t stay home sick AND they can’t afford medical care.

yeah and Azar is gonna go full andrew ryan and scream about the loving market while meds dwindle.

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

https://twitter.com/Official_GDC/status/1233542650956894208

Big gamedev event in the US canceled because coronavirus.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

StrixNebulosa posted:

https://twitter.com/Official_GDC/status/1233542650956894208

Big gamedev event in the US canceled because coronavirus.

pax east is pretty much getting canceled too probably. most of the big publishers and companies have canceled already.

Fill Baptismal
Dec 15, 2008

MSDOS KAPITAL posted:

Isn't this because they have incredibly strong immune systems? So the diseases just train on bats and then go tear poo poo up on other species.

Not a virologist, etc. But my understanding is that bats are both relatively similar to humans and have very effective immune systems, so there’s gonna be a lot of really lethal poo poo that comes out of them. Specifically their immune systems are very effective at fighting inflammation, so viruses that survive in them evolve to be very effective at spreading rapidly.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

StrixNebulosa posted:

https://twitter.com/Official_GDC/status/1233542650956894208

Big gamedev event in the US canceled because coronavirus.

Probably wise given that if it crossbred with con flu it would literally kill everyone on the earth.

Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
Buglord

Kill Bristol posted:

Not a virologist, etc. But my understanding is that bats are both relatively similar to humans and have very effective immune systems, so there’s gonna be a lot of really lethal poo poo that comes out of them. Specifically their immune systems are very effective at fighting inflammation, so viruses that survive in them evolve to be very effective at spreading rapidly.

It's that bats are crazy lands of extremes. Where bats will fly one minute and build up a temperature of like 108 degrees, then hibernate and drop down to 78 degrees, and do stuff like breath hard and fast enough to get enough oxygen for flight, then rest in weird comas where they breath once every 15 minutes and are barely alive.

Like it ends up the perfect evolutionary grounds for viruses to figure out survival in a wide variety of situations.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.
https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1233548482369277952

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1233547011435171846

dont worry, trumps on it.

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>
The new case of unknown source being in the bay area (as opposed to norcal) is probably not good.

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1233512079333654534?s=19

Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
Buglord
It's kinda absurd how little testing america is currently doing. 459 tests ever of any american in the last 3 months.


https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-in-us.html

There is probably not a secret million cases or anything, but it feels like there is a gonna be a moment where they finally do start testing and places like california are gonna get a "holy gently caress, we have 280 cases of this now" up from like 3 or something in a single day or small span of days. And that seems like the most panic inspiring way this could possibly be done.

Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
Buglord

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
Chinese economy has completely crashed because of this


https://twitter.com/TomOrlik/status/1233559208278319105?s=19

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...s-idUSKBN20N03R

quote:

China's factory activity posts record contraction as coronavirus bites
4 MIN READ

BEIJING (Reuters) - Factory activity in China contracted at the fastest pace on record in February, highlighting the damage from the coronavirus outbreak on the world’s second-largest economy.

China’s official Purchasing Managers’ Index (PMI) fell to a record low of 35.7 in February from 50.0 in January, the National Bureau of Statistics said on Saturday, well below the 50-point mark that separates monthly growth from contraction.

Analysts polled by Reuters expected the February PMI to come in at 46.0.

The sombre readings provide the first official snapshot of the state of the Chinese economy since the outbreak of the coronavirus epidemic which has killed almost 3,000 people in mainland China and infected about 80,000.

The results suggest deepening cracks in an economy already hit by the trade war as the coronavirus forces widespread transport curbs and tough public health measures which have paralyzed economic activity.

China’s economy is widely expected to suffer another sharp blow in the first quarter of this year, pressuring policymakers to unveil more stimulus measures.

Nomura expects first-quarter growth to be at 2.0% year-on-year while Capital Economics estimates China’s economy would contract outright in year-on-year terms this quarter, for the first time since at least the 1990s.

A sub-index of manufacturing production nosedived to 27.8 in February from January’s 51.3 while a reading of new orders plunged to 29.3, down from 51.4 a month earlier.

Factories continued to lose jobs at the fastest pace in years as labor conditions remained tight amid the travel restrictions.

China’s leaders have urged local governments, factories and workers to re-start operations as soon as possible in less affected regions. But the response has been slow and many migrant workers - including those in worst-hit Hubei province - have yet to return to work due to stringent quarantine rules and ongoing travel bans.

Official data showed that only about 30% of China’s small- and medium-sized companies had resumed production as of Wednesday. Some firms that have restarted work are reportedly running below normal capacity.

Small- and mid-size firms account for more than 80% of nationwide employment and over 60% of gross domestic product.


As the coronavirus spreads to more countries, some analysts have warned that the impact on global supply chains could risk dampening the subsequent recovery for Chinese manufacturers.

“Even if labor shortages in China start to ease, some factories may run into problems resuming normal production if outbreaks in other countries mean they have trouble sourcing intermediate goods,” Julian Evans-Pritchard, senior China economist at Capital Economics, said in a note on Friday.

Economists at Morgan Stanley have warned of a pronounced impact on first-quarter global growth, with rising risks of it extending into the second quarter this year.

China’s services sector activity also posted the deepest contraction on record, with official non-manufacturing PMI dropping to 29.6, from 54.1 in January, a separate NBS survey showed.

China’s economy has transitioned more towards services since the SARS coronavirus epidemic in 2002-2003, and the sector now accounts for about 60% of the country’s Gross Domestic Product (GDP).

Transportation, tourism, catering and entertainment sectors have been hard hit during the coronavirus outbreak as people avoid crowded areas.

A sub-index of construction activity, a key driver of growth, stood at 26.6, down from 59.7 in January.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1233563058636828673 That seems bad. NPR did interviews with Iranians and some of them think this was a US manufactured weapon.

The Glumslinger
Sep 24, 2008

Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?


Hair Elf
https://mobile.twitter.com/wweek/status/1233575523877609476

Community spread in Oregon and he is a highschool teacher

Willo567
Feb 5, 2015

Cheating helped me fail the test and stay on the show.

StrixNebulosa posted:

https://twitter.com/Official_GDC/status/1233542650956894208

Big gamedev event in the US canceled because coronavirus.

I'm pretty sure it's just delayed until the summer.

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007


https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1233443539914252289

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer
So China is just lying at this point about coronavirus being under control in some vain attempt to get everyone back to work producing widgets?

2% GDP growth in China isn’t the same thing as 2% growth in the US. They need 8% just to keep up with all the rural people flowing into their cities. 2% means riots. I have no idea what negative growth means.

The Glumslinger
Sep 24, 2008

Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?


Hair Elf

Willo567 posted:

I'm pretty sure it's just delayed until the summer.

As someone in the industry

:lol:


We all think it's insanely optimistic

mutata
Mar 1, 2003

Also in gamedev and lol there's no GDC happening this year, c'mon.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1233581853854064640

apparently new outbreaks in Washington.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Dapper_Swindler posted:

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1233563058636828673 That seems bad. NPR did interviews with Iranians and some of them think this was a US manufactured weapon.

As shockingly incompetent as Trump is at handling this or most any other issue, Iran is like, "hold my Barbican, motherfuckers."

Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
Buglord

Dapper_Swindler posted:

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1233563058636828673 That seems bad. NPR did interviews with Iranians and some of them think this was a US manufactured weapon.

To clarify, Iran has 12 Vice Presidents

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>
community spread cases in the bay area, nor cal, portland, and southern washington it appears. Portland and Washington both were school related (one student, one teacher)

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Owlofcreamcheese posted:

To clarify, Iran has 12 Vice Presidents

true but still bad.

shades of blue
Sep 27, 2012

PT6A posted:

As shockingly incompetent as Trump is at handling this or most any other issue, Iran is like, "hold my Barbican, motherfuckers."

This is racist as gently caress and the issues with Iran's response to coronavirus are directly related to the sanctions placed on the country.

America Inc.
Nov 22, 2013

I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

Sampatrick posted:

This is racist as gently caress and the issues with Iran's response to coronavirus are directly related to the sanctions placed on the country.

Got good reading?

shades of blue
Sep 27, 2012

WOWEE ZOWEE posted:

Got good reading?

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/middle-east-watch/did-us-sanctions-iran-help-coronavirus-spread-undetected-128112

Roluth
Apr 22, 2014

So from the last page or so, is it safe to say that the virus has broken containment in the US? Several cases in a number of states.

Drunk Theory
Aug 20, 2016


Oven Wrangler

Roluth posted:

So from the last page or so, is it safe to say that the virus has broken containment in the US? Several cases in a number of states.

I mean that implies it was ever contained in the first place.

Roluth
Apr 22, 2014

Drunk Theory posted:

I mean that implies it was ever contained in the first place.

Welp, here we go. China's already a pandemic, but let's hope that things don't get so bad anywhere else.

Sanguinia
Jan 1, 2012

~Everybody wants to be a cat~
~Because a cat's the only cat~
~Who knows where its at~

Trump is apparently considering travel restrictions on arrivals from Japan and South Korea, and United is planning to cancel flights to Narita and Osaka starting March 8.

I need to decide soon if I want to cancel my vacation and it's really looking not good at this point :<

Fill Baptismal
Dec 15, 2008
If there's community spread already domestically that's locking the barn door after the horse has run away, organized the other horses into a militia and then set the barn on fire.

Sampatrick posted:

This is racist as gently caress and the issues with Iran's response to coronavirus are directly related to the sanctions placed on the country.

Both of these things can be true: the sanctions have hampered the Iranian governments ability to handle the crisis, and their own clumsy brutality and censorship have backfired.

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>
idk why the Iranians would be inherently incompetent in managing a disease unless the reason is 'brown people bad at science' or something. Though even that is something they have an advantage on since believing in science is like a pretty fundamental thing in Iran. Having half of your government officials literally believing that jesus created the world 4700 years ago is almost a uniquely american thing

Fill Baptismal
Dec 15, 2008
lol ahhh yes, Iran, notoriusly free of reactionary religous influence on government policy.

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

Kill Bristol posted:

lol ahhh yes, Iran, notoriusly free of reactionary religous influence on government policy.

Most religious people, no matter how reactionary, typically don't dispute medical scence.

Lead out in cuffs
Sep 18, 2012

"That's right. We've evolved."

"I can see that. Cool mutations."




Owlofcreamcheese posted:

I think slowing the infection is the success. It's like herd immunity, you don't need to vaccinate literally every single person with literally 100% effective vaccine to stop a disease. You just need to slow it enough so it fizzles out. Like for how scary this disease has been there really has not been all that many cases. Like every cluster gets contained and so less clusters appear.

It's also a good thing to be giving to healthcare workers / people working in critical positions. And people most at risk.

(My research group is within a cancer agency. When the 2009 H1N1 outbreak happened we all got free vaccinations.)

I guess my other 2c is that vaccine development is pretty quick these days. A friend of mine (actually a goon) recently gave a talk about the company he works at, where they did a simulated vaccine development exercise for the DoD. IIRC they went from zero to a vaccine that works in mice in about 21 days. There are other companies in the same space with similar turnarounds.

(Actually sounds like there's one already. Sounds like it'll be April before they start human trials though.)

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Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Waltzing Along posted:

That's the theory. They eat everything. Sometimes for status. Sometimes for medical beliefs. And because they expose themselves to things that might not be suitable to human consumption, they open themselves up to weird viruses.

https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2020/02/18/why_do_new_disease_outbreaks_always_seem_to_start_in_china.html

That site has nothing but virulent chuds and racists in the comments.

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