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Who will you vote for in 2020? This poll is closed. |
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| Biden |
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425 | 18.06% |
| Trump |
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105 | 4.46% |
| whoever the Green Party runs |
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307 | 13.05% |
| GOOGLE RON PAUL |
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151 | 6.42% |
| Bernie Sanders |
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346 | 14.70% |
| Stalin |
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246 | 10.45% |
| Satan |
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300 | 12.75% |
| Nobody |
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202 | 8.58% |
| Jess Scarane |
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110 | 4.67% |
| mystery man Brian Carroll of the American Solidarity Party |
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61 | 2.59% |
| Dick Nixon |
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100 | 4.25% |
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Trabisnikof posted:Better than the chance he gave Trump in 2016 at this time. Trump started polling better, which is why the model began to give him better odds of winning. 
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May 30, 2020 19:56
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Pick posted:Clinton's 2016 was highly idpol-driven which is chasing far-left votes. And she didn't even visit key swing states, with no pandemic, instead visiting states that were further left and already more amenable. The far-left is not id-pol. You're thinking of liberals.
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May 30, 2020 20:14
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The primary may basically be over, but I still get to cast my vote for Bernie on Tuesday <3 Then we're going to buckle down, get to work, and kick Trump the gently caress out of office. What I've seen coming out of the Biden camp is giving me high hopes (  ). They seem to realize to some degree that big policy proposals are needed to pull this country out of it's tailspin.
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May 30, 2020 20:30
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The appearance of such. Bidens own career, and words to his own donors, and his choice of advisors suggest expecting such will be a disappointment. Edit: For gently caress's sake, Biden had to be shut out of negotiations with the repubs by Reid because he kept on handing stuff over to them for free and loving poo poo up for him. StratGoatCom fucked around with this message at 21:40 on May 30, 2020 |
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May 30, 2020 21:23
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https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1266802090078351362 what the absolute gently caress is this poo poo??????
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May 30, 2020 21:28
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A big flaming stink posted:https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1266802090078351362 I'm not sure that this belongs in this thread, per the OP: quote:This is the thread to talk about general election polling and news and debate the merits and flaws of various candidates, plus any remaining news from the Democratic primary.
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May 30, 2020 21:37
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Attempts to delegitimize discontent in the country on both sides of the divide are relevant to the upcoming election by nature.
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May 30, 2020 21:44
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A big flaming stink posted:https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1266802090078351362 It's a timely reminder that the Democratic Party is a constant force corroding the principles and values of the people within it. We should keep in mind that you can't fix a systemic issue solely by empowering individual good actors.
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May 30, 2020 22:08
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It's already known that there were plainclothes police instigating during the protests so paying attention to what's going on around you is a pretty good thing to do, I think.
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May 30, 2020 22:11
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StratGoatCom posted:Attempts to delegitimize discontent in the country on both sides of the divide are relevant to the upcoming election by nature. yep, said better than i could https://twitter.com/AJInvestigates/status/1266822263489339393 lol they didn't even bother to cook the books about this poo poo
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May 30, 2020 22:12
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RBA Starblade posted:It's already known that there were plainclothes police instigating during the protests so paying attention to what's going on around you is a pretty good thing to do, I think. That goes without saying, as with any major blowup of this nature. The worry is more along the lines of, well, this: https://twitter.com/imntclvrwusrnms/status/1266861294583451651 I mean, we don't even have to look back to that period to see this as a valid risk: https://abcnews.go.com/US/jail-records-odds-ferguson-cops-claims-outsiders-causing/story?id=25038886 And I reiterate: attempts to dismiss public discontent, especially racial related versions, be they 'you ain't black' or that, are germane to the nature of this election. StratGoatCom fucked around with this message at 23:56 on May 30, 2020 |
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May 30, 2020 23:53
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The only answer to this is to be highly organized and stay strictly non-violent using sittings, not protesting after dark and anything that can make it harder for bad actors to derail legitimate protesting. This is definitely going to effect the election and adds a major social issue that both parties have had trouble effectively addressing since forever.
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May 31, 2020 00:38
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Judakel posted:Clinton didn't do much chasing of far-left votes. Her platform was pretty down the middle. "Deplorables" and bringing BLM on stage is generally considered pretty leftist stuff, in relation to (centrist/moderate/independent) America. But I feel like her ton of baggage was the bigger factor. Along with a too-slick pure politics demeanor. Biden's gaffes are likely part of his appeal to moderates. Arkage fucked around with this message at 02:06 on May 31, 2020 |
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May 31, 2020 02:01
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Scooter_McCabe posted:The only answer to this is to be highly organized and stay strictly non-violent using sittings, not protesting after dark and anything that can make it harder for bad actors to derail legitimate protesting. This is definitely going to effect the election and adds a major social issue that both parties have had trouble effectively addressing since forever. ....... this is sarcasm right (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 31, 2020 02:05
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A big flaming stink posted:....... Well I don't believe in violence. Highly organized protesting where people are aware of who is in the group makes it harder for bad actors to slip in. Protesting at night makes it easier for firebugs and would be looters to take advantage of the situation. Democrats and Republicans have also generally sucked on matters of race and the criminal justice system. I don't buy into violence as an option.
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May 31, 2020 02:19
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Scooter_McCabe posted:Well I don't believe in violence. Highly organized protesting where people are aware of who is in the group makes it harder for bad actors to slip in. Protesting at night makes it easier for firebugs and would be looters to take advantage of the situation. Democrats and Republicans have also generally sucked on matters of race and the criminal justice system. I don't buy into violence as an option. Cops are the loving bad actors here.
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May 31, 2020 02:30
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Brownhat posted:Cops are the loving bad actors here. As in slipping into the crowd in plains clothes I have little doubt. Policing in America hopefully because a major topic this election cycle and beyond. Alkabob fucked around with this message at 02:36 on May 31, 2020 |
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May 31, 2020 02:33
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Scooter_McCabe posted:As in slipping into the crowd in plains clothes I have little doubt. Policing in America hopefully because a major topic this election cycle and beyond. No, as in uniformed cops inflicting large scale violence on peaceful protests. Once that happens, the protestors only have two options: allow the violence against them to continue, or fight back. Neither option is non-violent, but one option inflicts violence on the oppressor, the other, on the oppressed.
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May 31, 2020 02:38
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Scooter_McCabe posted:As in slipping into the crowd in plains clothes I have little doubt. Policing in America hopefully because a major topic this election cycle and beyond. No, as in firing tear gas, spraying pepper spray, and running over peaceful protesters.
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May 31, 2020 02:39
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Eminai posted:No, as in uniformed cops inflicting large scale violence on peaceful protests. Once that happens, the protestors only have two options: allow the violence against them to continue, or fight back. Neither option is non-violent, but one option inflicts violence on the oppressor, the other, on the oppressed. And they can't even directly fight back, because then they start getting killed. That's why they have to take it out on businesses and landmarks, especially racist ones.
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May 31, 2020 02:40
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A big flaming stink posted:https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1266802090078351362 This is not a generic thread for the discussion of all Democrats. I know the Primary thread often doubled as kind of a general "Dems bad" thread, but let's try to keep this thread focused more on the presidential election.
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May 31, 2020 03:04
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I'm voting for this guy, he's better than ether of the rapists. https://twitter.com/GovJVentura/status/1266929895948640256?s=19
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May 31, 2020 04:11
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Gonzo McFee posted:I'm voting for this guy, he's better than ether of the rapists. Write-in i presume?
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May 31, 2020 04:43
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Don't vote for Jesse Ventura if he's not on the ballot - your vote likely won't even be counted. Vote Green, vote PSL, whatever. Your protest vote will be memory-holed if you write someone in.
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May 31, 2020 04:47
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https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1266527243699970049 one hopes, at some point in the future, that leadership will manifest. in the meantime, please enjoy the comedy stylings of a staffer for the man who said that failing to vote for him would cause people to cease being black, after spending his entire career screaming about how it was necessary for police to be able to demolish buildings if they thought someone was using the kinds of drugs black people use inside, saying "hey when black people start hitting back that's bad."
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May 31, 2020 05:10
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Gonzo McFee posted:I'm voting for this guy, he's better than ether of the rapists.
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May 31, 2020 05:26
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The Artificial Kid posted:How can you go past a candidate who has his own show on RT. Russia today is no worse than any American media outlet.
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May 31, 2020 05:30
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Gonzo McFee posted:Russia today is no worse than any American media outlet. most other weeks you'd have an uphill climb with that statement, but in a world where american media outlets and their reporters are actively being shot at by police, and still taking police statements that the violence is all being caused by Outsiders at face value, this is pretty hard to argue against. you really have to wonder where Outside is, given these protests are now happening in every major city in the US, but there is every reason to suspect that regardless of who wins in November, our president will stand firm against the concept of Outside, and for the necessity of subjecting its citizens to the harshest possible punishment their quasi-legal status will allow.
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May 31, 2020 05:39
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May 31, 2020 06:08
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:most other weeks you'd have an uphill climb with that statement, but in a world where american media outlets and their reporters are actively being shot at by police, and still taking police statements that the violence is all being caused by Outsiders at face value, this is pretty hard to argue against.
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May 31, 2020 06:10
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I see you and I hear you, but
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May 31, 2020 06:30
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Ah good, one of the architects of the situation as it stands comes forward to boldly lead and offers the solution of... Hm, that's odd. He doesn't appear to be offering any potential solutions.
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May 31, 2020 07:33
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Kaedric posted:Ah good, one of the architects of the situation as it stands comes forward to boldly lead and offers the solution of... Not sure how that's supposed to help but we already tried doing absolutely nothing and that didn't work - I'm out of ideas 
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May 31, 2020 09:23
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I would imagine his website has a more comprehensive plan.
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May 31, 2020 11:42
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DarkCrawler posted:I would imagine his website has a more comprehensive plan. If you put out a statement of support that doesnt include a plan and nobody can remember the plan without having to consult a website then there is no plan. People who have plans they intend to follow through on generally like talking about them*. People who made some policy intern write up some dumb poo poo they don't care about and will never lift a finger to enact refer you to a website. So when Trump chants 'build the wall' as the centerpiece of his campaign I assume that, at some point, he's going to make at least a token effort to build his dumb loving wall. But when some other candidate's campaign refers me to a website for a policy I assume they do not give a poo poo and had someone else write it purely to dupe credulous idiots. *Obama's main draw was talking about plans he never intended to enact, so I guess caveat emptor here, its not a hard and fast rule. but it does demonstrate that someone not even willing to put in the token amount of work to mention their policy goals from time to time for the positive press absolutely does not care about them, and probably doesnt even remember what they are off the top of their head Nix Panicus fucked around with this message at 12:21 on May 31, 2020 |
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May 31, 2020 12:18
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It's amazing how determined people are to learn literally nothing from 2016. 'Read my web site' was an instant punchline for a reason.
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May 31, 2020 12:21
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This guy is utterly unprepared to deal with tying his own shoes let alone the world in 2020
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May 31, 2020 13:38
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Joe Biden will get 100% of the black vote at 100% turnout, by definition
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May 31, 2020 14:24
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I really have no idea why Biden is even running anymore. This country is a mess and his obvious plans of cutting the safety net coming out of a pandemic and huge unemployment isn't going to result in the Democratic fantasy where Trump is defeated and everything goes back to what they think normal is. Being the president in 2021 is going to be a horrible experience, especially for someone like Biden that is visibly deteriorating.
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May 31, 2020 14:26
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this is going to be 1968 and Hubert Humphrey all over again isn’t it
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