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The way the game portrays the noncombat stories (like the Soviet soldier at the start of this one) is really weird and I kind of like it. I wouldn't say that, at a granular level, any of what they're doing is bold, fresh, or even just "not leaning incredibly heavily into ethnic and gendered stereotypes." But it's a wilful juxtaposition of very civilian concerns next to a very violent set of events, and the game's general refusal to make people too easily into The Good Guys and The Bad Guys is surprisingly refreshing. Like the subjects are all simple but the composition is pretty nuanced. This also leads to some ludonarrative dissonance, because the gameplay is such like, a fun arcade-y 'blow up the bad guys yeah!' experience. Particularly in the campaign where you're getting like 10:1 KDRs all the time, the gameplay really doesn't want you to have an 'even' perspective about your forces vs theirs, nor does it do anything that makes it seem like there's something avoidable or tragic about enemy deaths.
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It seems odd to me that you are able to call in air strikes on those SAM sites, which we need to take out so that we can do air strikes elsewhere?
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Aug 6, 2020 18:25
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ChocolatePancake posted:It seems odd to me that you are able to call in air strikes on those SAM sites, which we need to take out so that we can do air strikes elsewhere? lol Also it hit me to check how many big the Norwegian military is - they have 52 Leopard 2A4NOs (36 operational) and that appears to be the entirety of their MBTs. They also have 144 CV90s and then a bunch of APCs.
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Aug 6, 2020 18:33
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Tulip posted:lol Well they're a lot smaller now!
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Aug 6, 2020 18:42
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i think you also shoot down more norwegian planes than exist in this mission
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Aug 6, 2020 19:15
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V. Illych L. posted:i think you also shoot down more norwegian planes than exist in this mission This is a feature of Ser Cypher's other favorite game, Wargame, where you could very justifiably lose 100% (or more!) of an entire nation's airforce in like 20 minutes.
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Unfortunately if they get close enough the AI tanks will absolutely run over your infantry on purpose, which is just one more thing that make infantry in WiC a lot less useful than it should be. At least it also works just as well for the player.
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Kibayasu posted:Unfortunately if they get close enough the AI tanks will absolutely run over your infantry on purpose, which is just one more thing that make infantry in WiC a lot less useful than it should be. At least it also works just as well for the player. I think the game really should have had a lot more terrain that severely limited the mobility and usability of armor, but the game is firmly on the side of 'giant tank battles are cool!' which I have trouble arguing with.
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Tulip posted:This is a feature of Ser Cypher's other favorite game, Wargame, where you could very justifiably lose 100% (or more!) of an entire nation's airforce in like 20 minutes. Yessss, I'm going to do Red Dragon campaigns next. My multiplayer one didn't work out, but oh well! I think I want to try and run it where people give orders to units in the thread and then I play it out.
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Cythereal posted:I think the game really should have had a lot more terrain that severely limited the mobility and usability of armor, but the game is firmly on the side of 'giant tank battles are cool!' which I have trouble arguing with. On the one hand it might be cool to have a game where the ratios are closer to 'real' just to see what it'd be like, on the other hand I'm not sick of vroom vroom boom boom RTS yet.
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God I loved this game. I should dig it back out when Satisfactory quits giving me the Tetris effect. I simply love the level of detail and attention and care they put into every map and setpiece, even though most players will just zoom the hell out and not notice 90% of it... real works of love, which by the end of a mission nevertheless always look like the surface of the moon from tanks doing donuts over poo poo, heavy arty barrages and ooops there goes the giant trail of napalm into your pristine old growth forest because there were like 3 dudes with an RPG in it, wheeeee !
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Update World in Conflict: Mission 12, Beyond the Iron Curtainhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDIC8V2PO8EWe're on the offensive, not sure how we got all Bannon's heavy tanks several hundred miles behind enemy lines though. Let's not worry about it, instead let's look at the absolutely beautiful Soviet wintertime city. I only noticed it after I watched the finished recording, but that officer at the start wearing his cap inside the pentagon really annoys me.
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I love this game and am unreasonably excited to see you finish it. Are you really planning on doing red dragon next? If so that’s awesome. Margaret Thatcher’s Wild Hong Kong Ride is one of my favourite scenarios in any strategy game ever.
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Beefeater1980 posted:I love this game and am unreasonably excited to see you finish it. Thank you! I was suprised no one has done an LP of World in Conflict it on the forums. I am planning to do Red Dragon! I did all the airland battle campaigns back in the day: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3573864 My general plan is to let people in the thread pick 1-3 units, and order where they go each turn. Then I'll fight out the battles on the map. I actually haven't played any of the campaign's except the 1st one, but I am just going to believe in myself that I can do it. SerCypher fucked around with this message at 06:51 on Aug 13, 2020 |
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There was a LP of World in Conflict. https://lparchive.org/World-in-Conflict/ Might be gone since it isn't on youtube though.
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Klaus88 posted:There was a LP of World in Conflict. I watched that. Its a subtitled video LP and the videos are on archive.org.
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It's good to be able to compartmentalize when one of your officers commits a little bit of an atrocity and the other is a video game player. But maybe I repeat myself. Anyways to go along with the French town I also really like this mission. It again focuses on something other than heavy tanks, repair vehicles, and artillery and instead of infantry eventually getting overwhelmed because buildings get destroyed or forests get burned you keep moving across the map instead of holding in position. This is again one of those "if you don't know what's coming things" but I think holding that train station is probably one of the hardest secondary objectives in the game. Also the random artillery shells when you're crossing the frozen lake can really gently caress up that mission if you're unlucky.
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Klaus88 posted:There was a LP of World in Conflict. Oh! Apologies then, I missed it. Hopefully not stepping on any toes.
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SerCypher posted:Oh! Apologies then, I missed it. It's 10 years old, subtitled, and not on YouTube so I wouldn't worry about any toes being stepped on.
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Kibayasu posted:It's good to be able to compartmentalize when one of your officers commits a little bit of an atrocity and the other is a video game player. But maybe I repeat myself. Yeah, the train station can get extremely hectic. Sometimes it's a cakewalk and sometimes it's a nightmare, and either way those rangers being able to call in pocket artillery strikes is critical.
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Also the first mission when I learned regular infantry carry AA missiles!
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SerCypher posted:Thank you! I was suprised no one has done an LP of World in Conflict it on the forums. I forsee that going terribly when you try to fight the second korean war, as that is very easy to get yourself wrecked in if you aren't quite careful about how you position your units 
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Kibayasu posted:Also the first mission when I learned regular infantry carry AA missiles! Regular infantry are a little good at everything. Unfortunately that's never really made clear as you won't realize what weapons individual soldiers are carrying unless you zoom in or watch them fire at things. OwlFancier posted:I forsee that going terribly when you try to fight the second korean war, as that is very easy to get yourself wrecked in if you aren't quite careful about how you position your units I will just have to trust in the massive untapped armchair general potential of goons. Update  World in Conflict: Mission 13, Lair of the Bearhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR6sJBupJcEOur adventure behind enemy lines continues. It's time to get in and destroy some apartment buildings (and maybe a submarine or two). It's crazy how much easier a lot of these missions are with Heavy Tanks. Once you get a group up to Veteran, there isn't much the enemy can do to stop them unless they get off a lucky airstrike.
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SerCypher posted:Once you get a group up to Veteran, there isn't much the enemy can do to stop them unless they get off a lucky airstrike. Or you get an unlucky airstrike.
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loving love Fiona Apple posted:Or you get an unlucky airstrike. Too soon.
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I think we all know how Colonel Sawyer plans to escape from Russia. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tbnC-gLhiw I would have linked the entire ending sequence but I guess someone actually holds the rights to Megaforce
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it's easy. NATO can supply and reinforce troops hundreds of miles behind enemy lines just as easily as USSR can resupply and reinforce troops in the US.
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cambrian obelus posted:it's easy. NATO can supply and reinforce troops hundreds of miles behind enemy lines just as easily as USSR can resupply and reinforce troops in the US. "distance isnt real," i assure myself as i close my eyes and ram the Kremlin gift shop with my lovely hummer
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The true alpha game would be to steal the submarine and drive it back to the US.
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OwlFancier posted:The true alpha game would be to steal the submarine and drive it back to the US. "Heed my words! This boat has the means to end this hideous war, in a definitive and elegant manner." - Captain Bannon, probably
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Tulip posted:"distance isnt real," i assure myself as i close my eyes and ram the Kremlin gift shop with my lovely hummer lmao
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Tulip posted:"distance isnt real," i assure myself as i close my eyes and ram the Kremlin gift shop with my lovely hummer Man uses this one weird trick to win WW3, the Politburo hates him!
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Update World in Conflict: Mission 14, For the Motherlandhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJwWSOLqImkNot really a strict spoiler, but rather at least give people a chance to watch the video. So... it's not 100% clear if Maleshenko's wife died because of us. The city name is wrong, but it's possible that it's a bad spelling or a different name for it. I actually forgot this happened when I was playing this mission, and couldn't help laugh given how casually you demolish buildings in this game. I think the implication is that it's our fault, and I think the game does a pretty effective role in that regard because you don't even consider collateral damage when you play. It doesn't really hit like Bannon's death, partly because Bannon is such a fuckup you feel bad for him (or at least I did). With Masha it's more 'Oh... whoops."
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You really really like napalm huh? I don't think any of your napalm strikes in like the last 5 episodes have ever been effective. It probably would have been better to just use Tank Busters on the clustered vehicles instead of doing chip damage when they drive through the fire. Then again the chances of blowing up your own tanks would be far less with napalm, plus fire is fun. 
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loving love Fiona Apple posted:You really really like napalm huh? Yes.... It does seem to do some decent damage when it comes down, but not much else afterwards against anything but infantry. On some maps it's just good because it blocks LOS, so it keeps enemy troops from shooting at you as they get close. Here I didn't do much besides burn some old growth forests.
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That forest knows what it did.
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It was a commie forest.
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Until now I thought Malashenko's family was killed by Bannon's tank, but it's been more than 10 years since I last played that game. Would kill for a sequel. Great RTS with a well written story indeed.
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Laser guided antics aside I believe the implication is that it was indeed Bannon who killed them. He and Malashenko act as companions of sorts, two over eager soldiers both trying to prove themselves to a higher power - emotionally in one case and political in another - that ultimately doesn’t actually care about them. They unknowingly cross paths and both have profound effects on the other. We’ve seen Bannon’s ultimate conclusion already. A unique mission that unfortunately just doesn’t have enough going on I think. It’s a novel idea to have the player command an on-map artillery battery but it also just comes down to clicking on the ground where the enemy is.
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I think this game is secretly my favorite game of all time that I never recognize, might even be the first game I ever 100%'d. The first mission is just so captivating. Bringing in tanks and blowing poo poo up, especially when you're given the big artillery in some missions. Gah. I love it so much. Never been able to find another RTS that scratches the WiC itch. R.U.S.E. came close, but not quite there. Despite playing through the game a couple of times, I don't think I ever picked up on the Bannon/Malashenko connection. I specifically remember this being mission being a pain in the rear end with the secondary objectives. Their helicopters could shred the artillery if I recall correctly and then blowing up their artillery only to have them just slightly move out of the range of an attack. Don't think I ever thought to use our helicopters to scout them out though after all these years 
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