MSDOS KAPITAL posted:

the newest additions to the team here were basically just plucked out of the aether and made into mods. like I have no reason to have anything against them and they might be awesome for all I know, but I've never heard of either of them and I'm apparently not the only one.

MSDOS KAPITAL posted:

other than that basically it would be cool if the site admins quit treating cspam as a problem to be solved, namaste

Mr. Lobe posted:

Other than that it's been smooth sailing for the past couple of months from what I can tell. Still, to echo another poster here, it'd be cool if there was like any element of democracy in how cspam is governed, thanks

500 good dogs posted:

1. Why is Crusty Nutsack still a mod?

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2. Why did gradenko's IK star get removed?

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3. Free Larry

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4. What happened to the community having a voice in the selection of the moderators?

Son of Thunderbeast posted:

[*]Mod nominations: It's been decided that instead of a thousand IKs, CSPAM should try having a thousand mods instead! Or at least, more than we currently have. Makes sense to me, considering how active this forum is. So if you have anyone you want to nominate for moderator please let us know!

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5. Why does CSPAM have a rule about "not directly link[ing] quotes" to D&D when the D&D moderators have said "Yeah, why blind quote when you can just....quote the poster?"

MSDOS KAPITAL posted:

yeah I've stated in the past that it's way more important that we have a way to quickly get rid of bad mods than it is that we have a say in picking new ones, and a couple times laid out a possible approach to doing that. I won't reiterate it here but needless to say it was totally ignored, and currently the only way for the community to deal with this problem is to flood qcs with shitposts and hope for the best

paul_soccer12 posted:

dead gay comedy forums posted:

hello

CSPAM has been improving somewhat the last months. Personally, posting has been more informative and entertaining than last year, people are putting some drat fine effortposts spontaneously in different threads that are highly educational and interesting. Hopefully, that trend continues. I am biased for that sort of stuff because I love to see people go on about the poo poo they are enthusiasts for, so, of course, that might not be everybody's cup of tea.

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Maybe I have too much solidarity involved here for my young queer brother here, but I think his style of posting, which others do share, is simply a natural consequence of their lives. Posting aggro-style when dealing with subjects that they consider completely loving idiotic can be very entertaining and is a way to deal with those subjects as well.

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My suggestions, if they are worth anything, is to revise the language policy to actually encourage moderators and IKs to properly work context, which seems to be the main problem after all. It's an unpaid job with lots of information in flux, it's not a doozy. Bad decisions will happen and the best thing to do is to admit they happened, recognize the mistakes and put the effort to rectify and improve.

sexpig by night posted:

I mean, I'd argue we probably have too many mods considering cspam has like, what, four or five really constantly 'active' threads and then a bunch that are pretty normal? I don't see why we need a long modlist at all.

paul_soccer12 posted:

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Son of Thunderbeast posted:

Jury's out on this for now

Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:

Sure I'm here. I wanted this. It just seemed like a silly song and dance to continue having these conversations over and over. Charming or not, Larry has demonstrated he won't change his posting based on probations and bans, and now those inevitably get escalated to me. That is to one's credit when their intent is to provoke but.....I just can't have the same argument every month. I know that the ending is "I run out of patience and permaban him" and my hope is that forum banning him will head that off.

In effect, to me, this isn't even a c-spam action. Removing him from the place he causes trouble and headaches for me spares him the permaban that prevents him from posting in Imp Zone, where he is recognized as an upstanding poster. I know that is not the answer that many people here want but.....perhaps you can visit imp zone and talk to him about games instead of marxism.

PERPETUAL IDIOT posted:

Second, I request that mod and ik status be granted in an open, collaborative discussion with the forum posters, rather than decided on with no public discussion behind closed doors. If not for his defense of the cartoon child fart porn and the Alvin port, I have no doubt that such a reviled poster as flavius would still be moderator here. Who chose him? How? Were existing mods chosen the same ways? Not good enough.

I humbly request that current mods step down or refuse to perform mod actions until the actual forum posters can select leadership in a public, open, clear way.

Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:

Sure I'm here. I wanted this. It just seemed like a silly song and dance to continue having these conversations over and over. Charming or not, Larry has demonstrated he won't change his posting based on probations and bans, and now those inevitably get escalated to me. That is to one's credit when their intent is to provoke but.....I just can't have the same argument every month. I know that the ending is "I run out of patience and permaban him" and my hope is that forum banning him will head that off.

In effect, to me, this isn't even a c-spam action. Removing him from the place he causes trouble and headaches for me spares him the permaban that prevents him from posting in Imp Zone, where he is recognized as an upstanding poster. I know that is not the answer that many people here want but.....perhaps you can visit imp zone and talk to him about games instead of marxism.

Son of Thunderbeast posted:

For changing the succ zone's thread title to a real lovely joke

MSDOS KAPITAL posted:

In addition to what Raskolnikov38 has already said, I'll just add that most of us here probably have a pretty strong suspicion of how these are getting escalated i.e. not predominantly from inside CSPAM, so maybe instead of forum-banning each successive target of the D&D five-minute hate you can just address the problem at the source? Or maybe the report tool was there to pursue cross-forum grudges all along I dunno.

It's just weird to me that you have a forum where the people who actually post in it are almost unanimously telling you this is bullshit, and your response is apparently "hmm no too many people don't like him sorry." I'm not really interested in what shitheads in other forums think, especially it they're coming from that one, so yeah how about just remove the report button from their accounts instead of this indefensible nonsense.

Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:

Sure I'm here. I wanted this. It just seemed like a silly song and dance to continue having these conversations over and over. Charming or not, Larry has demonstrated he won't change his posting based on probations and bans, and now those inevitably get escalated to me. That is to one's credit when their intent is to provoke but.....I just can't have the same argument every month. I know that the ending is "I run out of patience and permaban him" and my hope is that forum banning him will head that off.

In effect, to me, this isn't even a c-spam action. Removing him from the place he causes trouble and headaches for me spares him the permaban that prevents him from posting in Imp Zone, where he is recognized as an upstanding poster. I know that is not the answer that many people here want but.....perhaps you can visit imp zone and talk to him about games instead of marxism.

Plinkey posted:

who the gently caress wants to read that

Brain Candy posted:

i've learned through the magic of qcs there's a report limit. rig that to an autoban and half the problems are solved

Terminal autist posted:

Im ambivalent on the R word and self harm jokes and I'm totally fine with them gone but the idea a person suicidal ideations should be browsing C-spam with threads like the covid or climate change one, lmao. Time to get that cross out boys

Dreylad posted:

PERPETUAL IDIOT posted:

I dont want to read the "succ thread". But people can if they want to.

Raskolnikov38 posted:

also set the daily report limit to a random number between 3 and 12 and have it change daily

Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:

Sure I'm here. I wanted this. It just seemed like a silly song and dance to continue having these conversations over and over. Charming or not, Larry has demonstrated he won't change his posting based on probations and bans, and now those inevitably get escalated to me. That is to one's credit when their intent is to provoke but.....I just can't have the same argument every month. I know that the ending is "I run out of patience and permaban him" and my hope is that forum banning him will head that off.

In effect, to me, this isn't even a c-spam action. Removing him from the place he causes trouble and headaches for me spares him the permaban that prevents him from posting in Imp Zone, where he is recognized as an upstanding poster. I know that is not the answer that many people here want but.....perhaps you can visit imp zone and talk to him about games instead of marxism.

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I don't think cspam should have forumbans at all personally, and larry's just feels like such a dumb lovely grudge. Also, it is apparently so deeply shameful to the perpetrator that nobody will loving even own it.

Son of Thunderbeast - Rules Thread posted:

10. Do not directly link quotes to D&D threads from CSPAM. Do not post in D&D and then come back to CSPAM to giggle about owned libs or your imminent probation. What you post in D&D is your business, and when you post there you are subject to their rules and moderation.

docbeard posted:

And yeah, quit trying to legislate how people interact with D&D. I think the interforum squabbling is loving dismal but that won't solve it. I don't know what will solve it but it isn't that.

Raskolnikov38 posted:

2. unmask whoever's re-reg this:

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4. the coolzone is to be gassed as punishment for inflicting crusty nutsack on cspam

empty whippet box posted:

Posts more recent than these have been probated in the same threads they were posted in. I don't appreciate having to see this poo poo in forums I read and it's very plainly against the rules.

and now I'll probably be harassed by either these posters or people who are friends with them because I had to bring this extremely loving obvious violation of the very plainly stated rules up in the feedback thread since my reports and PMs were completely not answered AT ALL. Great job guys!

MSDOS KAPITAL posted:

oh speaking of which, I think you should clarify in the rules that mere quoting (i.e. removing the link and I guess probably removing the name as well) is okay, just linking is not allowed

unless the new rule is that even quoting is off limits in which case my feedback is that that sucks!

sexpig by night posted:

just to be clear for my posts the 'them' and 'her' in that were the cast of TV's The View and congresswoman AOC, if AOC really does kill herself tonight I assure you I will feel v. bad.

Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:

That is to one's credit when their intent is to provoke but.....I just can't have the same argument every month. I know that the ending is "I run out of patience and permaban him" and my hope is that forum banning him will head that off.

In effect, to me, this isn't even a c-spam action. Removing him from the place he causes trouble and headaches for me spares him the permaban that prevents him from posting in Imp Zone, where he is recognized as an upstanding poster. I know that is not the answer that many people here want but.....perhaps you can visit imp zone and talk to him about games instead of marxism.

empty whippet box posted:

This is a really dickheaded take - a lot of people have difficulties like that. It's a lifelong thing for many people, myself included. Having mental health issues which I have long fought against and developed my own way of handling should not preclude me from even being able to loving browse c-spam because you and your friends want to say hosed up poo poo all the time because you think being edgy is peak comedy.

Saying poo poo like 'time to get out that cross' because I stick up for myself and say the rules should be enforced when they clearly aren't, in such a way that bothers me, is honestly just you being a huge rear end in a top hat who can't admit they were wrong. It's just like when I spoke up about people slinging around the word 'retard' as if it's no big deal. It's wrong, and it's also against the rules, and it bothers me, so I spoke up against it. The fact that your inclination is to attack me and say hosed up poo poo at me like saying I shouldn't even read this forum because I've had mental health struggles before is hosed up.

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I think it's laudible to try and make ableism, racism, homophobia and transphobia unwelcome on the forum but the word filter approach as a rule just led to inconsistent application and frustration, which has in turn led to people saying the words specifically to point out how annoying and arbitrary it is. Hell near as I can tell the specific ban of the word "retard" started as part of flavius' weird feud with some of the people in the marxism thread - which eventually included Flav calling posters there "mongoloids." The policy has not, in my opinion, worked to reduce ableism on the forum and we should be willing to admit that and try something else. idk what that something else would be though

500 good dogs posted:

i love how things are even less clear about why Larry was forum banned now that more modmins are talking about it, lol

edit: thanks for answering my questions mod friend

Son of Thunderbeast posted:

That third quote is from four years ago. Also that fourth quote is not like the others. Report them and move on

Impkins Patootie posted:

if you got that owned by a nerd working the dare merch table you really should just go home and kys

Brain Candy posted:

well, that's kind of the thing right? edgy comedy is not necessarily bad, it's one of the ways of handling hosed up poo poo that has happened to you. i get that you don't want to wander into a random thread and get blasted, it sucks, but also you're also telling people their cope is wrong

Son of Thunderbeast posted:

Report them and move on

Hot Karl Marx posted:

Also it would be nice if people would stop relishing in the death of random, ordinary people from covid. It's pretty gross

Plinkey posted:

nah, if they are connected to the sub-tier covid misinformation grift game, aka AM radio and youtube, it owns

Hot Karl Marx posted:

Also it would be nice if people would stop relishing in the death of random, ordinary people from covid. It's pretty gross

Lib and let die posted:

yeah that's some real lib poo poo

Buck Wildman posted:

he means the antivaxxer dipshits who go around punching store clerks and threatening to murder teachers. they deserve our compassion, apparently

Terminal autist posted:

Its just pointless virtue signaling and he's carrying around a cross looking for any excuse to climb up on it. Like I doubt he really sent any PM's and if he did they probably weren't read yet.

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

it seems hard to believe that the admins decided on specifically a c-spam forum ban without it being pushed by someone in the community,

Yinlock posted:

also in regards to the Bad Word it's not like using different words is some massive lingual challenge

there's like 100,000 ways to call someone a dumbass, half of the english language is dedicated solely to it. people can get by without that specific one

Yinlock posted:

also why is this pedophile defender still around

Xaris posted:

on mods, Dreyland and Vylk are good choices

I’d nominate for mod (or IK):
Smythe
Epic High Five
comedyblissoption
Rasklinovo
AnimeisTrash
a Loving Dog
Marzzle
Peneer
dead gay comedy forums
Paul-soccer12
Tiler Kiwi (upped from IK to mid)

some would probably be better IKs than mods so w/e

copy posted:

I think it's laudible to try and make ableism, racism, homophobia and transphobia unwelcome on the forum but the word filter approach as a rule just led to inconsistent application and frustration, which has in turn led to people saying the words specifically to point out how annoying and arbitrary it is. Hell near as I can tell the specific ban of the word "retard" started as part of flavius' weird feud with some of the people in the marxism thread - which eventually included Flav calling posters there "mongoloids." The policy has not, in my opinion, worked to reduce ableism on the forum and we should be willing to admit that and try something else. idk what that something else would be though

tl;dr free larry and end word-filter moderation is my feedback. new guys seem like the ok sort.

Lux Animus posted:

I think the mods of CSPAM are for the most part doing a good job, but that's probably because I don't have a personal stake in the Larry issue. He was a fellow CSPAM poster with a 'bit' that pushed boundaries that had gotten stale to certain mods. Forumbans are the weapon of D&D and are thus for the weak. I believe in forgiveness following a suitable probationary period of good behavior, and I also believe in people paying the troll tax from time to time.

Lux Animus posted:

Speaking of trolls:
A while ago Flavius popped back up in CSPAM after re-regging (after his self-ban defending chipmunk bj porn as a twitter meme), and everyone told him to GTFO of CSPAM and not come back. Some even suggested he buy a new account and put the Flavius username behind him permanently, and it seems like the guy hasn't yet followed this advice. Flavius' account is forever compromised by its association with pedo poo poo, and it should be permabanned for his own sake.

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Also I thought Gradenko was doing fine as an IK. Even if they didn't seem interested in mediating slapfights or handing out probations for aggro-posting or whatever, they still seem to have a good feel for the community,

MSDOS KAPITAL posted:

other words that are banned here (including apparently "bitch")

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I think it basically comes down to whether it's even possible to use the word in the way that it was usually used before Sarah Palin, and fwiw my opinion is that it's not. For better or for worse the word just has a different meaning in the context of 2021 and you literally can not use the word the way you might have in say 2005 where it was no different than "idiot" or "moron" etc. Full stop it just does not work anymore. And that's not inherently good or bad it's just the way language works - even if your intent is to use the word that way, the word simply doesn't mean that anymore and won't be received that way. And I don't think anyone can claim ignorance now anyway: if you use the word it's overwhelmingly likely you're doing it to get a rise out of people.

I would agree that the chain of events that brought us to these linguistic circumstances are profoundly stupid, but regardless of how we got here we're still here. You'll just have to find another word.

some plague rats posted:

1. Free Larry.
2. Delete the hotline and all links to it because it's loving embarrassing
3. Stop making weird boring nobodies into mods. Get some maniacs in there

Hot Karl Marx posted:

Also it would be nice if people would stop relishing in the death of random, ordinary people from covid. It's pretty gross

empty whippet box posted:

no, IT IS EXPLICITLY AGAINST THE RULES. It couldn't be any more specifically mentioned as being against the rules than it is.

I did and nothing has been done and you're still not doing anything! You're not even explaining why you're flat out refusing to enforce the rules.

Terminal autist posted:

Agreed and furthermore make him the IK of the Marxism thread and ALD of the greenwald thread. I feel like Larry would be hopefully less prone about telling people to kill themselves(even if they need to hear it) if he could just chain probe them instead.

E.g

empty whippet box posted:

This is a really dickheaded take - a lot of people have difficulties like that. It's a lifelong thing for many people, myself included. Having mental health issues which I have long fought against and developed my own way of handling should not preclude me from even being able to loving browse c-spam because you and your friends want to say hosed up poo poo all the time because you think being edgy is peak comedy.

Saying poo poo like 'time to get out that cross' because I stick up for myself and say the rules should be enforced when they clearly aren't, in such a way that bothers me, is honestly just you being a huge rear end in a top hat who can't admit they were wrong. It's just like when I spoke up about people slinging around the word 'retard' as if it's no big deal. It's wrong, and it's also against the rules, and it bothers me, so I spoke up against it. The fact that your inclination is to attack me and say hosed up poo poo at me like saying I shouldn't even read this forum because I've had mental health struggles before is hosed up.