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Is there some kind of classical nightmare type manifested as things around you melting/collapsing? I feel like that's at least a common fever induced hallucination. I wonder... does the show mock the idea of "work-life balance"? As in your work is part of your life, you can't seperate/severe it from the rest of your life. And if you feel the need to do so (metaphorically/physically), then it suggests things are pretty hosed-up culturally/personally ("Do you ever think that maybe the best way to deal with a hosed-up situation in your life isn't to just shut your brain off half the time?"). Also, the tree thing was pretty overt. We see him crying at what seems to be the site of his wife's accident/suicide (a tree), and then we see him sculpt it. What I did miss was... Mahoning posted:Don’t forget that in that session, the candle was lit that Cobel stole from Mark’s basement, that was presumably his wife’s.
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Mar 5, 2022 09:59
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I'm starting to think, that this severance treatment isn't all that great. If you think about it, there are some downsides hidden in there.
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cant cook creole bream posted:I'm starting to think, that this severance treatment isn't all that great. If you think about it, there are some downsides hidden in there. Uh, it probably doesn't and did you consider the fact that you're a dumb goo goo gah gah baby?
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Mar 5, 2022 19:48
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cant cook creole bream posted:I'm starting to think, that this severance treatment isn't all that great. If you think about it, there are some downsides hidden in there. As Eagan said in the first edition of the handbook...
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Mar 5, 2022 21:14
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Fair point. I recede my remark.
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This loving book is great. I also just noticed "Parents" in that list.  Truly, infants are the most abusive overlord. Shrug off your shackles, parents! Embrace true freedom!
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Mar 5, 2022 22:58
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a firm and confident "No?"
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Mar 6, 2022 00:22
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The true tragedy that the Severed will never know is that the reason their outies keep coming back is to escape even the 0.0000000001% chance they might ever meet or have to interact with Rickon.
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eke out posted:a firm and confident "No?" I'm guessing it says that because the prop person doesn't realize you should put punctuation not related to the quote outside of the quotation marks, but a service worker saying "no?" in a firm an confident way is also hilarious.
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Mar 6, 2022 00:53
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I love how they established too that Rickon is one of those tourists who go abroad to third world countries and beg the locals to fund their vacation for them.
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Talorat posted:I love how they established too that Rickon is one of those tourists who go abroad to third world countries and beg the locals to fund their vacation for them. Yeah doing the whole poverty tourism where he isn't really poor, just pretending.
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Mar 6, 2022 03:59
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The fact that they cut away makes me think Helley's latest gambit isn't going to work.
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Mar 6, 2022 04:02
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I feel like she really jumped up to the 11 of self harm. Just be a bad worker! Group items by drawing dicks.
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Mar 6, 2022 04:05
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Three thoughts 1. The Lumen facility and grounds looks like a giant brain. The main Lumen complex looks like an enormous square block that's been inserted into the middle of the brain. 2. Also cool set design poo poo: the office hallways are designed to also resemble an experimental laboratory maze. Welcome to the rat race! 3. No way is Helly dead.
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Mar 6, 2022 11:27
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Apparently the Lumen building is real; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_Labs_Holmdel_Complex
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Mar 6, 2022 14:38
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Since this is an apple show, one theory is that Lumen is actually IBM and the show is a middle finger from the grave from Jobs who hated IBM and thought their culture turned people into pocket protected automatons.
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Mar 6, 2022 15:40
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I know you're supposed to hate Rickon but oh my god did I scream at the 'I' is for Eyes because that's just how awful he is, couldn't just choose another word that matched.
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Also them doing the data entry makes me think back to a big eventual reveal on Person of Interest (spoiler for late in the show): the AI is designed to delete all its memories every night to prevent itself from getting too self aware. It figures out a way to effectively send its data to office workers who are doing manual data entry, and every day it has an unaware army effectively rebuilding its mind to stay aware. I would love it if all the data recording they are doing is directly related to maintaining severance. Like they are manually severing eachothers' memories and putting them into buckets, they just don't know that's what they're doing. Also I just binged all four episodes in the last day and I cannot wait for more.
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Mar 6, 2022 16:43
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My guess from rewatching the eps... all the talk from the founder/former CEOs, I'm thinking eugenics? Maybe purging unwanted traits/DNA from people Lumon is growing/breeding?
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I’m all aboard for this show, smashed through 4 episodes today. I’ve tried a lot of the recent prestige shows like Yellowjackets and White Lotus but couldn’t really see myself watching more than an episode. Whereas this I’m fully invested.
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Withnail posted:Since this is an apple show, one theory is that Lumen is actually IBM and the show is a middle finger from the grave from Jobs who hated IBM and thought their culture turned people into pocket protected automatons. A cult of personality centered on the founder, obsession with secrecy, antiseptic office aesthetics... if there's a company out there which matches that description, it's Apple.
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I just view it as a sort of indictment of capitalism and the boomer work culture/ethic (or rather, work life balance myth). But also I’m a raging anti-capitalist so I could just be seeing what I want to see.
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muscles like this! posted:The fact that they cut away makes me think Helley's latest gambit isn't going to work. I like Brit Lower and it sure would suck for her to be killed off in the 4th episode so i no i dont think she's dead either
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I'm guessing the people who live in the building, have it so their outie personality only exists on the severance floor. Its actually impossible for them to leave as themselves.
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Mahoning posted:I just view it as a sort of indictment of capitalism and the boomer work culture/ethic (or rather, work life balance myth). Oh yeah, it's definitely broader than making fun of any one company.
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Withnail posted:Since this is an apple show, one theory is that Lumen is actually IBM and the show is a middle finger from the grave from Jobs who hated IBM and thought their culture turned people into pocket protected automatons. It can't be a coincidence that the credits lettering (particularly that bar above the text) is almost exactly a style used in IBM manuals and a typical default style produced by IBM BookMaster. Which is not to give any credence to that far-too-specific theory, just that the production designers obviously took notes.
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What if Lumen is searching for the six coefficients of the equation that predicts the extinction of mankind?
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Is Devs anything like this show? I'm out of episodes of this to watch and want something more that's similar. I tried Party Down cause it has Adam Scott haha.
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Ccs posted:Is Devs anything like this show? I'm out of episodes of this to watch and want something more that's similar. I tried Party Down cause it has Adam Scott haha. No, not really. You might get something out of it though, I find it's got that his and miss reaction among audiences that Legion had. Some cool stuff though, especially early on. I'd try Servant tbh. Maybe Mr. Robot. Visually interesting shows with long planned out mythology and high pressure tension. Counterpart is less tense, but might be worth a look too.
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Ccs posted:Is Devs anything like this show? I'm out of episodes of this to watch and want something more that's similar. I tried Party Down cause it has Adam Scott haha. It had some interesting ideas but the execution was a bit lacking.
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Ccs posted:Is Devs anything like this show? I'm out of episodes of this to watch and want something more that's similar. I tried Party Down cause it has Adam Scott haha. You can try Homecoming on Amazon Prime. Vaguely similar premise.
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DEVS is interesting and has some mind fucks, but the ending is kind of lame, so don't get your hopes up.
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Concur with everything being said about DEVS. I do think it's worth a watch and has some interesting ideas though.
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Mahoning posted:You can try Homecoming on Amazon Prime. Vaguely similar premise.
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JazzFlight posted:If you do, only watch the first season. That second season is practically fanfiction with way worse direction and writing. I never saw the second season so I will second this. The first season was definitely decent though.
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holy gently caress, halfway thru episode and outie helly is cold-hearted. i could never pull that poo poo on me, my innie would straight up kill himself as a gently caress you to me, we both know we would love to kill ourselves to nuclear-spite one of us.
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I wonder what the resignation process is like. I'm assuming that implantation procedure is free, but it still costs money to Lumon. What happens if the innie doesn't want to exist and the outie agrees? Do they do another surgery to remove the implant? The company just wasted a bunch of money on nothing, do they make the outie compensate them? It seems like something that would come with some sort of minimum time contract in order to recoup costs.
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Good for innie Helly, gently caress outtie. I don't think there is a resignation process, the company line is that it's not possible and the one instance of someone trying did not go so well. Although at some point I wonder why they even bother with an outtie system, if not for experimental reasons. I can totally buy the concept of this thing being a kind of experiment that's lost any comprehensibility by those within it, with nobody actually above it to see the organization of the system, with those who once were, now themselves culted into the experiment one way or the other. I love the way this book written by this goober has become a powerful heretical text within this organization and the brain-hosed people trapped within.  I almost think they could've worked backwards from the joke of "okay how do we contrive a scenario where the most hackneyed idiot wisdom self-help book becomes a meaningful life-changing object in someone's life. The I is for eyes got me, perfect, just top tier unselfaware hackiness. Especially because first time watching II wasn't paying attention to the words beyond "cryptic monologue over montage of poo poo Going Down" and it's just as profound as anything read in that tone in that moment in any language. But then I rewound and listened to it and lol. The parts Mark read were great too. You don't need a job, you can be a vagrant beggar, it owns, actually. XboxPants posted:This loving book is great. muscles like this! posted:The fact that they cut away makes me think Helley's latest gambit isn't going to work. Oh drat, yeah, I was happy for her in that moment which feels like I'm setting myself up for a gut punch and she's still trapped in hell. Danzel Glovington posted:Rewatching episode 1.
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Cojawfee posted:I wonder what the resignation process is like. I'm assuming that implantation procedure is free, but it still costs money to Lumon. What happens if the innie doesn't want to exist and the outie agrees? Do they do another surgery to remove the implant? The company just wasted a bunch of money on nothing, do they make the outie compensate them? It seems like something that would come with some sort of minimum time contract in order to recoup costs. probably nothing would happen because i imagine a typical quitting scenario would be something like the outie has to move away from Lumen's campus because...i dunno her husband got a great job in Seattle and the family needs to relocate? So that person would never go down the elevator again and trigger the innie so it would just be a thing that exists but no one can access it...like a safe without a key. I guess in this episode they needed to get Petey's chip to run a diagnostic to find out what he knows out and how cause obviously it wasn't good enough to just be destroyed in a crematorium
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