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Teek
Aug 7, 2006

Whatever.

I AM GRANDO posted:

Ziggy’s voice is one of the producers and the creator’s wife, so it could easily happen.

Yeah, this is one of the things I'm most confused by, since she's still a big part of the show behind the scenes. Maybe they felt it doesn't work, or are saving that for mid-season/finale?

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I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Teek posted:

Yeah, this is one of the things I'm most confused by, since she's still a big part of the show behind the scenes. Maybe they felt it doesn't work, or are saving that for mid-season/finale?

She’s the only recurring original cast member who hasn’t died or turned them down. Except for Beth, I guess. They’re probably saving her for a big moment.

Charity Porno
Aug 2, 2021

by Hand Knit
Missing people leaps are weird because the old Imaging Chamber could just "center" the observer on anyone inside the hologram.

LividLiquid
Apr 13, 2002

Yeah, I'm fine with leaping, Ziggy, etc. working differently than they used to, as the old rules were inconsistent at best and it's been almost 30 years, but there's really no excuse for the technology being worse now than it was then.

OldSenileGuy
Mar 13, 2001

Charity Porno posted:

Missing people leaps are weird because the old Imaging Chamber could just "center" the observer on anyone inside the hologram.

This never made sense anyway. Supposedly the Imaging Chamber only worked because Al was tuned in to the "neurons and mesons" of Sam. But if that were the case, it would follow that Al could only appear somewhere in Sam's immediate radius. But all the time they had Al getting "centered" miles away from Sam. The Imaging Chamber is almost as miraculous a machine as the leaping technology itself.

Also I was really happy to get a version of the old handlink (don't think it was exactly the same as the old one, but definitely evocative of it). But then I was sad when I realized what (probably) happened.

If this leap was the one that was supposed to be the pilot (kind of surprising because I thought a lot of stuff was noticeably better in this leap), then that's probably the handlink they used for the pilot, and then changed it when they got picked up to series. Then when they moved this episode in the order, they probably had to do a quick reshoot where the "new" handlink breaks and they swap it out for the old one.

I guess we'll see next episode (which looks like a ton of fun - glad they're doing a goofy episode.)

Charity Porno
Aug 2, 2021

by Hand Knit
Yeah I don't mind the fictional "tech" changing but it's strange for a show whose premise is leaning so hard on the original.

Heavy Metal
Sep 1, 2014

America's $1 Funnyman

I dig how many Quantum Leap fans there are on here. That and Columbo, it's cool to see love for retro TV.

I'm still on season 1 of the original, but it's fun stuff.

LividLiquid
Apr 13, 2002

There was a period of time where I was watching up to five episodes a day in syndicated episodes when I was a kid and then some weeknights also the new episodes.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!

Heavy Metal posted:

I dig how many Quantum Leap fans there are on here. That and Columbo, it's cool to see love for retro TV.

I'm still on season 1 of the original, but it's fun stuff.

I don't love Quantum Leap (I was born in 1984, so it was a little early for me), but I did love watching it in bed on Saturday or Sunday mornings with my ex-wife when it was on Netflix.

I'm generally enjoying the reboot and while I think it's way too early to do Evil Leaper stuff, I hope it gets a second season. NBC doesn't have much else in the pipeline, since at least one of the Chicago shows is winding down soon and they might kill Vanilla Law & Order after this season.

delightful
Jul 20, 2022
I hope this show sticks around long enough to give Sam Beckett a proper ending.

Teek
Aug 7, 2006

Whatever.

delightful posted:

I hope this show sticks around long enough to give Sam Beckett a proper ending.

Same.

“Sam Beckett never returned home. He leapt to a beach in Fiji where he retired and lived out the remainder of his days with his wife Donna.” Totally doesn’t go against the original text card. :colbert:

Teek fucked around with this message at 01:46 on Oct 30, 2022

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
I guess one thing that makes the waiting room not make much sense is what happens when Sam never leaps home? Who is in the waiting room?

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

In the finale they say that nobody appeared in the waiting room, as Sam has started leaping as himself, no longer changing places with anyone.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
Ah, ok. I'll have to finish watching the show eventually. I think I stopped in season 2 somewhere.

Charity Porno
Aug 2, 2021

by Hand Knit

Cojawfee posted:

Ah, ok. I'll have to finish watching the show eventually. I think I stopped in season 2 somewhere.

It's a great show but it's super hard to binge watch, th formula just becomes too apparent.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

Charity Porno posted:

It's a great show but it's super hard to binge watch, th formula just becomes too apparent.

that's why it was a great mid-afternoon syndicated show though.

Sivart13
May 18, 2003
I have neglected to come up with a clever title

delightful posted:

I hope this show sticks around long enough to give Sam Beckett a proper ending.
it was proper enough, dude just had a preference in his heart to become a being of pure morality popping around here and there helping people make good choices

Moreau
Jul 26, 2009

I'm actually happy with the original ending - or at least how I interpreted it. Sam never returns home, sure. But home for him, was when his Dad was alive. I mean, its called "The Leap Home", after all

On a recent series re-watch, there was one episode where Al calls Sam out - he wont ever stop, because he is terminally good, and he would save everyone if he could. So Sam probably chooses NOT to go back to the future, which - I suppose - was the point of the final episode.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

It’s weird to think that it would have been right back to the status quo in two episodes if the show had been picked up for another season. It seems so final, but they had another ending written where Al gets into the time machine to find Sam, which he would have. Then they’d go back to 1999 and get Sam going into people’s bodies again.

Wouldn’t that anger Bruce McGill God?

Athanatos
Jun 7, 2006

Est. 2000

Teek posted:

Same.

“Sam Beckett never returned home. He leapt to a beach in Fiji where he retired and lived out the remainder of his days with his wife Donna.” Totally doesn’t go against the original text card. :colbert:

Mine was:
"Sam Beckett never returned home...for good. He leapt home to visit and spend time with his wife and friends all the drat time but he spent the rest of his life helping people."

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

I hope next week’s episode isn’t about one of those crooked 90s behavior modification boarding schools where they kidnapped kids and dragged them screaming out of their own homes. Thankfully it looks more lighthearted than that in the preview.

This one felt like the classic show. Hopefully they do more with Ben being stuck on his own, which they could with Janis loving around with the imaging chamber.

volts5000
Apr 7, 2009

It's electric. Boogie woogie woogie.
So I have a theory about the season finale. Came up with after episode 6 and next weeks episode might mirror the theme of my theory. Anyway, we'll see if it works.

The theory: The CIA/DOD/both figured out they could militarize Project Quantum Leap. X number of years from now, someone takes over for Magic and sees the potential for loving up time in order to "protect American interests".

Janice found out about this plan from one of her dad's old contacts. When she heard about the project being revived, she tried her best to insert herself however she could. But, for whatever reason, they rejected her and Janice had to resort to subterfuge. She had to get someone from inside the project to help her. Ben was the only who had the knowledge and the moral compass to help Janice. So they do research and see if this militarization would be successful. Kept everything on the down-low so the CIA/DOD wouldn't find out. Finally, they figure out the how, where, and when this takeover would happen. Ben did a complete last minute overhaul on Ziggy's operating system to change how leaping worked (no waiting room, leaping outside of your own lifetime, leaping into the future, etc.). Ben had to leap at an exact time, under specific circumstances, to reach that point in time.

That's Ben and Janice's mission: To stop the government from using Project Quantum Leap as a means to deploy soldiers throughout time.

Seeing next week's episode, that might fit into a theme of "not trusting authoritative institutions".

XboxPants
Jan 30, 2006

Steven doesn't want me watching him sleep anymore.

volts5000 posted:

So I have a theory about the season finale. Came up with after episode 6 and next weeks episode might mirror the theme of my theory. Anyway, we'll see if it works.

The theory: The CIA/DOD/both figured out they could militarize Project Quantum Leap. X number of years from now, someone takes over for Magic and sees the potential for loving up time in order to "protect American interests".

Janice found out about this plan from one of her dad's old contacts. When she heard about the project being revived, she tried her best to insert herself however she could. But, for whatever reason, they rejected her and Janice had to resort to subterfuge. She had to get someone from inside the project to help her. Ben was the only who had the knowledge and the moral compass to help Janice. So they do research and see if this militarization would be successful. Kept everything on the down-low so the CIA/DOD wouldn't find out. Finally, they figure out the how, where, and when this takeover would happen. Ben did a complete last minute overhaul on Ziggy's operating system to change how leaping worked (no waiting room, leaping outside of your own lifetime, leaping into the future, etc.). Ben had to leap at an exact time, under specific circumstances, to reach that point in time.

That's Ben and Janice's mission: To stop the government from using Project Quantum Leap as a means to deploy soldiers throughout time.

Seeing next week's episode, that might fit into a theme of "not trusting authoritative institutions".

Does that mean the Evil Leapers have been part of this plot all along, and thus The Devil was actually The US Military Industrial Complex

Charity Porno
Aug 2, 2021

by Hand Knit

XboxPants posted:

Does that mean the Evil Leapers have been part of this plot all along, and thus The Devil was actually The US Military Industrial Complex

I really hope it's not this, I like the idea of Sam leaping and God putting him to use for his hubris and also Satan deciding he wanted some of that action

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

Charity Porno posted:

I really hope it's not this, I like the idea of Sam leaping and God putting him to use for his hubris and also Satan deciding he wanted some of that action

Sam: I dunno, can't I do good for the sake of doing good setting right what once went wrong.
The Devil: Listen here you little poo poo...

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

So who will the uncle on local news end up being? Las Vegas in 1997, so not young Alex Jones or something. Maybe it’s just the button on how the crooked boarding school gets exposed.

volts5000
Apr 7, 2009

It's electric. Boogie woogie woogie.

I AM GRANDO posted:

So who will the uncle on local news end up being? Las Vegas in 1997, so not young Alex Jones or something. Maybe it’s just the button on how the crooked boarding school gets exposed.

You called it.

egon_beeblebrox
Mar 1, 2008

WILL AMOUNT TO NOTHING IN LIFE.



That was a good episode. A few too many on-the-nose music choices, but honestly, that was more funny than annoying.

Sivart13
May 18, 2003
I have neglected to come up with a clever title
you really shouldn't dance on a broken ankle no matter how world-class your splint is or how excited you are to escape your boarding school prison

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


Just got around to watching the latest episode, and I just have to restate how much I do not give a single poo poo about anything happening in the present. I don't like or care about any of those characters; I don't care about the reason Ben started time travelling; any of it. The show would be much, much better if they stopped wasting time on that stuff and just gave us the main plot.

And what was that bullshit about "your dad's a habitual liar who has never failed to disappoint you and has never given any indication that he can or even wants to change: give him another chance." Terrible advice.

LividLiquid
Apr 13, 2002

Every time I see a narrative like that I worry for the writer's children.

Noob Saibot
Jan 29, 2020

by Fluffdaddy
Is the original show streaming anywhere?

egon_beeblebrox
Mar 1, 2008

WILL AMOUNT TO NOTHING IN LIFE.



Peacock has it

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS

egon_beeblebrox posted:

Peacock has it

And I think they settled at least some of the music rights issues, because there's songs in episodes that I read were cut on the DVDs

LividLiquid
Apr 13, 2002

Medullah posted:

And I think they settled at least some of the music rights issues, because there's songs in episodes that I read were cut on the DVDs
Oh, that's extremely good news.

I can't imagine Sam leaping home without capital I Imagine.

WaffleZombie
May 10, 2003

"Identity Crisis" Murderer Wild Guess #333:Prince "Lady Killer Charming "Well, I AM the Adversa"



My whole family loved watching Quantum Leap - I remember starting to watch it live mid way through, and being young enough that I had to ask my mom about why it was being cancelled. I was also a little dork that read a bunch of the post-cancellation novels. I've been enjoying this new show, it's only seemed to improve and find more solid footing with each episode.

There was one minor differentiation from the original that's been bugging me:

OldSenileGuy posted:

Supposedly the Imaging Chamber only worked because Al was tuned in to the "neurons and mesons" of Sam. But if that were the case, it would follow that Al could only appear somewhere in Sam's immediate radius. But all the time they had Al getting "centered" miles away from Sam. The Imaging Chamber is almost as miraculous a machine as the leaping technology itself.

Now, since it's been a minute, I can't remember if this came from the show or the novels, but another side effect of that connection was that Al was the only one in the present that could remember the previous history. In other words, when Sam changed the past, as far as everyone other than Al knew, that was the way it had always been. But in the Halloween episode, Ian was able to say "Look, it changed!" because the web site wouldn't load any more. The website not loading was a cute way to show the change, but Ian shouldn't have remembered it at all. Oh well, just a nitpick that due to the passage of time and a lovely memory might be based on not-exactly-canon novels.

One small thing I appreciated was the one episode, Ian's outfit was clearly a Dr. Who homage with that classic Dr. Who scarf. I've been wondering if any other of their outfits were nods to other time travel shows, but I haven't picked up on any.

Also, the show just go renewed for a second season!

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS

WaffleZombie posted:

My whole family loved watching Quantum Leap - I remember starting to watch it live mid way through, and being young enough that I had to ask my mom about why it was being cancelled. I was also a little dork that read a bunch of the post-cancellation novels. I've been enjoying this new show, it's only seemed to improve and find more solid footing with each episode.

There was one minor differentiation from the original that's been bugging me:

Now, since it's been a minute, I can't remember if this came from the show or the novels, but another side effect of that connection was that Al was the only one in the present that could remember the previous history. In other words, when Sam changed the past, as far as everyone other than Al knew, that was the way it had always been. But in the Halloween episode, Ian was able to say "Look, it changed!" because the web site wouldn't load any more. The website not loading was a cute way to show the change, but Ian shouldn't have remembered it at all. Oh well, just a nitpick that due to the passage of time and a lovely memory might be based on not-exactly-canon novels.

One small thing I appreciated was the one episode, Ian's outfit was clearly a Dr. Who homage with that classic Dr. Who scarf. I've been wondering if any other of their outfits were nods to other time travel shows, but I haven't picked up on any.

Also, the show just go renewed for a second season!

In order to really enjoy Quantum Leap you absolutely need to ignore stuff like that. My big one was always "Can only time travel within his own lifetime" which was the whole point of the "string theory", and then he went back to the Civl War because he "shared DNA" with his grandfather, which was completely against the shows basic premise. But then when you start digging in you notice things like that, and they start piling up.

In other words

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

The new show really seems like it was conceived as a remake that they then retrofitted into a sequel series, in that only the basic premise is the same plus the addition of a few direct character connections who could just as well be completely different without the substance of the show being affected.

LividLiquid
Apr 13, 2002

WaffleZombie posted:

There was one minor differentiation from the original that's been bugging me:
We can paper over all of that pretty easily by assuming the technology has advanced since 1997 or whenever the original's "future" was. Particularly since it wasn't internally consistent back then to begin with.

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delightful
Jul 20, 2022
I hate when mid-but-watchable shows like this take long breaks after less than 10 episodes. These are the kind of shows I normally forget about and come back to years later, the bookmark on this thread is the only reminder I have of this shows existence. It's not... bland or anything, just not memorable so far.

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