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I've been having a good time with the game so far. I do have one nitpick though: the animations seem weird and bad. Like both you and the enemies just kind of flinch around when moving or attacking. I guess good animation is just something I take for granted in other games, cause I almost never notice it being an issue.
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I definitely see what you mean, but the animations also seem par for the course for the era this game is pretending to be from, so it wasn't jarring for me. It also looks like the dev team was a grand total of 2 people, neither of whom is a 3D specialist, so I'll cut them a lot of slack on polish
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Nov 2, 2022 15:32
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haveblue posted:I definitely see what you mean, but the animations also seem par for the course for the era this game is pretending to be from, so it wasn't jarring for me. Oh yeah, it's not a huge deal, since I like pretty much everything else about the game! Looks great, interesting story. I assume animating just isn't in their skillset I do think PS1 era games actually had pretty good animation. Like if you look up gifs of say original RE games or MGS. Those games of course had dedicated animators, so I don't hold it against the Signalis devs.
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Nov 2, 2022 15:42
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Has anyone made like a list of what are the different protektor units you fight? It's kinda hard to tell because the sprites are low poly and well.. undead and the documents you find only have a general description and a face photo.
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Nov 2, 2022 16:07
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WaltherFeng posted:Has anyone made like a list of what are the different protektor units you fight? briefly: EULE - weakest, pack kitchen knives STAR - tall, batons STORK - batons and riot shields ARA - hide in the floor MYNAH - railguns KOLIBRI - radio psychics THAT THING WITH A BIG FOOT FOR A HEAD - no loving clue
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Nov 2, 2022 16:32
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maybe by process of elimination it's LSTR? that said idk actually it doesnt'r eally resemble them. Not sure how that mountain of LSTR corpses in the elevator isn't resurrecting too 
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Nov 2, 2022 20:02
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RoyalScion posted:maybe by process of elimination it's LSTR? that said idk actually it doesnt'r eally resemble them. Not sure how that mountain of LSTR corpses in the elevator isn't resurrecting too That elevator thing gave me the absolute creeps
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Nov 2, 2022 20:17
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I love that inspecting the enormous pile of dead Elsters still gives the same "The elevator is out of order."
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Nov 2, 2022 20:25
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haveblue posted:I love that inspecting the enormous pile of dead Elsters still gives the same "The elevator is out of order." "Doesn't look like anything to me" Thoughts on the monsters I wonder if the late game basic enemies are actually Elster units. They wear the same little hat that she does in her mug shot.
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Nov 2, 2022 21:02
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Oxxidation posted:briefly: I believe Big foot for head is a STORCH model cause it also has the long spindly legs they normally have. STARS are the ones with riot shields, and I feel like there's two different Just a Zombie with Knife since a slightly different model shows up in Nowhere and later in Rotfront. Maybe that's the LSTR?
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Nov 2, 2022 21:30
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Do the different repair sprays actually heal different amounts of damage? The regular spray says it heals a large amount over time, and the repair spray + says it heals a medium amount instantly, but they both seem to take me from Warning to Caution. Guessing this is supposed to be like the herbs in Resident Evil, but with those the combos are obviously superior.
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Nov 2, 2022 21:45
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https://twitter.com/bigmsaxon/status/1587137229834665985Glimpse posted:Do the different repair sprays actually heal different amounts of damage? The regular spray says it heals a large amount over time, and the repair spray + says it heals a medium amount instantly, but they both seem to take me from Warning to Caution. Guessing this is supposed to be like the herbs in Resident Evil, but with those the combos are obviously superior. The healing over time is actually pretty slow, as far as I can tell, and only kicks in once you back out of the inventory menu. It's basically a question of slow but near-total recovery vs. immediate and substantial but not massive.
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Nov 2, 2022 21:59
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Man, reading about Mynahs after meeting the first one and learning that they mostly just want stuffed animals to stay happy was kinda  .Also, I went and transcribed the funky passages you see when meeting Hummingbirds/Kolibris. Not sure if they've got a deeper meaning yet (I only just entered the mines), but they're kinda cool nonetheless: And I saw The sixth seal broke And the Earth shook And the Sun turned black And the moon as blood And the stars fell from the sky --- Strange is the night where dark stars and strange moons circle through the sky Songs that should be sung by the Hyades, where the rags of the king fly, must die unheard Song of my soul, my voice is dead; You die, unsung, like tears uncried shall dry and die --- Beyond the sun, in the darkness behind the stars I saw the face of a god A shape and color that words cannot describe I saw the six sides of the world unfold and the light devoured me I was one with the nothing, where life and death are meaningless Edit: Oh, there's also a bit in there that sheds light on what the facility was originally called before it was censored: Sierpinsky-23 Re-Education Facility 
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Nov 2, 2022 22:33
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I don't understand the moon mural puzzle. Im pretty sure I placed the cards correctly but Im stumped
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Nov 2, 2022 23:24
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WaltherFeng posted:I don't understand the moon mural puzzle. Im pretty sure I placed the cards correctly but Im stumped You may have done it inverted. What you're dialing in is the shadow ie the negative image. I hope I'm remembering this right 
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Nov 2, 2022 23:30
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Yes, look at the possible shapes you can make with the parts of the puzzle and how they compare to the reference images. A screenshot is really helpful here
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Nov 2, 2022 23:33
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Interesting side note I just put together about the secret ending from a post on the Signalis subreddit: White lilies are apparently a symbol associated with lesbian relationships in Japan. The lily's model in the game files is named "Yuri." Perestroika posted:Also, I went and transcribed the funky passages you see when meeting Hummingbirds/Kolibris. Not sure if they've got a deeper meaning yet (I only just entered the mines), but they're kinda cool nonetheless: The first one is a fairly liberal translation of the Book of Revelation, which matches the similarly relaxed quote that you get when you examine the Key of Eternity. The second is a rearranged passage from The King in Yellow. The third might be original, as far as I can tell at a glance, but the general thrust of it reminds me of Lovecraft's "The Colour Out of Space."
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Nov 3, 2022 00:15
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Finished the game. Enjoyed everything except the area with no map and the final boss. The story is way too confusing for me to figure out but the ending all the spoiler text in this thread did clarify the general gist of it.
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Nov 3, 2022 00:17
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Wanderer posted:Interesting side note I just put together about the secret ending from a post on the Signalis subreddit: Interesting, so the game has a very christian message in the end: if you're a lesbian you are going to hell
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Wanderer posted:Interesting side note I just put together about the secret ending from a post on the Signalis subreddit: they're also associated with devotion and rebirth, which is probably a hint as to the aims and means of the ritual but yeah the game's not coy about elster and ariane being an item
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Nov 3, 2022 00:35
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Perestroika posted:Man, reading about Mynahs after meeting the first one and learning that they mostly just want stuffed animals to stay happy was kinda All the other replikas are like "will destabilize if promoted in the wrong order because of their rigid hierarchy" or "does not handle being near other replikas of his type at all." and Mynahs are apparently just really nice and get along with everybody, then you meet Beo and it turns out they weren't candy coating that. They really are just cool moms who like everybody. I also feel really bad for the lone kolibri you can find who is absolutely panicked and doesn't know how to handle the quiet now that her sisters have all turned.
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Nov 3, 2022 00:40
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The best Kolibri is the Caulibri https://imgur.com/a/2P7gmsh though That said the Kolibri is hiding in the library because that's the one place she can't hear the voices of the other replikas, who have gone crazy. RoyalScion fucked around with this message at 01:05 on Nov 3, 2022 |
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Nov 3, 2022 00:58
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grate deceiver posted:Interesting, so the game has a very christian message in the end: if you're a lesbian you are going to hell Alternatively, lesbians are incredibly powerful and you probably shouldn't shoot them randomly into space. There will be consequences.
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Boy the yuri in this game really is stern, huh. I feel like Adler is either tied to whatever's under Leng, judging by him saying "I wear no mask", or that poor mother fucker is having just the worst day at the office.
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Nov 3, 2022 01:59
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All this story stuff I had no context for on the first playthrough really makes me want to play the game again. thematically fitting since it's apparently a loop
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TGLT posted:Boy the yuri in this game really is stern, huh. Im banking on worst day in the office. Everyone around him begins to die of radiation poisoning despite there being no radiation His crush goes comatose on him The day is constantly repeating The day is getting worse on each repeat People begin to appear who have no reason to be here. Who shouldnt even exist, even. Suspects the Elster to be the culprit, kills her. Elster just keeps returning???? Fills an entire elevator shaft with her Still comes back  He wants to save whats left but has no idea how to go about it, and picks some grim methods to do it.
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Nov 3, 2022 08:34
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I like the implication that Elster survived the fall because the bodies from previous loop softened the impact
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Nov 3, 2022 09:03
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I wonder if Adler knows all the loops because he's so strongly attached to the Falke unit that she functions as some kind of metaphysical anchor for him.
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RoyalScion posted:I wonder if Adler knows all the loops because he's so strongly attached to the Falke unit that she functions as some kind of metaphysical anchor for him. He figured it out through intelligence. He's not exactly dumb, just in over his head. The day is imperfectly recreated and things are constantly left behind, like the Elsters piling up and more specifically his diary having entries that he does not recall writing, despite knowing that it was him. He gets information from his past self, essentially.
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Nov 3, 2022 13:08
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Last night I thought I was screwed because I ran out of ammo during the final phase of the final boss. It turned out if you avoid all of its attacks long enough it will exhaust itself and you can poke it with the spear. That's good design imo.
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Amusingly (not-amusingly?) it seems Ariane is likely dating a Replika copy of Erika/Isa's mother, who fought in the Vinetan War. It explains why Alina Seo shows up (since she looks similar to Ariane) and they likely had some connection based on the old war picture of the two next to each other. Somehow i never made this connection and always thought Elster was a copy of Erika for some reason
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Nov 3, 2022 21:20
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damnit, gonna have to race through the game this weekend so i can read this thread. desperately want to know whats going on
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RoyalScion posted:Amusingly (not-amusingly?) it seems Ariane is likely dating a Replika copy of Erika/Isa's mother, who fought in the Vinetan War. It explains why Alina Seo shows up (since she looks similar to Ariane) and they likely had some connection based on the old war picture of the two next to each other. Somehow i never made this connection and always thought Elster was a copy of Erika for some reason Isa's mom has got it goin' on She's a clone of a clone and looped for so long Isa, it's plain to see? Elster's sorta your mommy This theory might be wrong, but Ariane loves Isa's mom
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Just finished it, got the memory ending. What’s up with the first person sequence where we play as Isa? I think it’s right after the Mynah boss fight and Adler pushes you down the elevator shaft. Isa wakes up in a dark classroom, goes to the library to find Erika, and sees Ariana being bullied by their fellow classmates who appear to be wearing gas masks with red eyes. The regular knife wielding enemies in Rotfront seem to have the same red eyes. I’m wondering if: there was some kind of gas attack (maybe by the Empire’s spy), why is the photo of Erika damaged, does Ariane view Isa as her only friend/mad at Isa for looking the other way during the bullying incident, or are Isa’s frequent injuries mentioned in the medical record because she and Ariane getting into fights with bullies? Also just general questions and things I noticed: Why the heck was Alina Seo in the mining colony? I guess it’s really just a prison labor camp for Gestalts. The Gestalt living quarters are terrible and terribly cramped. Seems the revolution is not going very well. Replicants seem to hold a lot of power and authority in Eusan society. The Falke’s are mentioned as having their appearance modeled after the Eusan leader of the revolution and her daughter. Also the illegal book you find in the bookshop mentions the founder of the Empire basically being like an Innocent from Disco Elysium, just this living goddess who got humanity to the stars and brought to life the first replicants through shear will and god-like charisma. Bioresonance in Signalis basically seems to be be psychic great man theory (errr… great woman theory) where your greatness literally means that you can psychically spread your emotions and beliefs to other people, and if your really, really great you can terraform planets and reality itself will bend history around you. Yeah still not sure why Isa is around or what kind of falling out happened between her and her sister. Maybe they had a fight literally right before they died (was the train they were on bombed/gas attacked? You can definitely hear regular trains going through Rotfront.) They definitely died before Ariane left Rotfront. Not sure what the weird fleshy torture level is or who it’s connected to. Like there is a more glue, weird torture rooms, but also a classroom. I guess it’s just a weird nightmare version of Serpinski We never really learn what happened to Alina Seo. Presumably she died at some point. She always seems to be just a bit ahead of the player. And yeah the notes make no sense, especially if the one of the people listed on the army group phot is mother of Isa and Erika. Alina would had to have been ~20 years older.
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So pulling all this from what I think I undersand about the story - the central conceit is that reality is being influenced by a dying woman and her hosed up dreams. The more she dreams the more the boundaries between different things begin to blur, and the more similar things already are in Ariane's mind the faster they blur together. Until it's all just sort of meat. Ariane was supposed to go to Sierpinski if she didn't make it into the Penrose program, and in her dying mind she's possibly trying to imagine how her life would have gone. Hence why we go to Sierpinski. But she's also coherent enough to know she never went there, so instead she inserts some one she imagines as like her - Alina. Alina was also never at Sierpinski either but in Ariane's dreaming mind that's not relevant. If I remember correctly we swap back to searching for Ariane when we get to Rotfront so we're only ever trying to find Alina in places where Ariane never was. A lot of Isa stuff seems best understood as like that, but for Elster. Ariane remembers Isa, although not well enough to remember that she died (for a bit anyways), and remembers or thinks she remembers Isa trying to find her sister after... something. Which is sort of like Elster trying to find Ariane. Maybe helps that there's some perceived tension there, like there's tension between Elster and Ariane over Elster's promise to euthanize Ariane. Seeing a memory attributed to Isa is probably a side effect of how everything is slowly blending together in the dream. Isa is like Elster in Ariane's mind so their lives get mixed up a bit, kind of like how the rest of the cast is remembering details of other people's lives. For meat hell, it's probably best understood as the interim between Sierpinski on Leng and Ariane's home on Rotfront. Or probably really the space between any place that's actually concretely defined in her dream. It's the connective tissue between disparate dream settings. It is nowhere. In a purely meta sense it's a tribute to the Nowhere levels from Silent Hill. edit: I forgot the false ending comes after meat hell so I guess it's more the space between Sierpinski and the ship, but still I think Signalis's Nowhere makes the most sense as the space between actual physical locations Ariane is altering. Or more "pure dream" than reality, or however you wanna term that. TGLT fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Nov 5, 2022 |
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I have only seen the memory ending but to me it seems like the loop will continue since Elster doesn't kill Ariane, at least not immediately. So in the next loop Elster finds herself and grabs the body armor off her? But why doesnt Ariane remember her? Is that significant?
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WaltherFeng posted:I have only seen the memory ending but to me it seems like the loop will continue since Elster doesn't kill Ariane, at least not immediately. So in the next loop Elster finds herself and grabs the body armor off her? iirc Elster ends up in the exact same position as the one we take the armor off of in that ending, so yeah I think that's the implication. Just like how there's a whole pile of Elster bodies to cushion our fall in the elevator shaft.
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WaltherFeng posted:I have only seen the memory ending but to me it seems like the loop will continue since Elster doesn't kill Ariane, at least not immediately. So in the next loop Elster finds herself and grabs the body armor off her? But why doesnt Ariane remember her? Is that significant? It is magic dream psychic powers controlling time and space, not just a regular dream, so I could believe that Elster took too long this cycle and Ariana’s dying mind could have decayed to the point where she doesn’t remember, but her powers are still controlling everything. It definitely seems to operate on a sort of dream or ancient religion logic where the events of the story are weird don’t really make sense when you think about it, but the message of the story is clear. It’s good to keep your promises to your friends, especially if you care about them. Etc.
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WaltherFeng posted:But why doesnt Ariane remember her? Is that significant? Simple explanation is that Ariane is so deep into the dream, or merged with the Leng entity or perhaps so much time has elapsed within the dream that Ariane no longer remembers, and that's why so many things are mixed up. Or, maybe it's a hint that the Elster that we play the game as in not the Elster that Ariane knew. Her Elster possibly died on Penrose, and we're playing as just a copy of a copy of a copy, as indicated by the pile of Elsters in the elevator shaft on Sierpinski. We've become so far removed from the original that we're no longer recognizable.
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It's also possible she's just, y'know, hosed up right now. People who are deathly ill can slip in and out of lucidity. Whether she's more or less lucid in the Memory or Promise endings is I guess up to the reader.
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