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On the other hand if Michigan is instrumental in pushing Stroud down to where the Lions can get him that's icing on the cake. I hope they take him, it would make the Lions an actual contender in my opinion. Read up on their fans though and they want to use the pick on defense. SMH
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Ches Neckbeard posted:Ohio state qb with 2 losses against the wolverines in Michigan Oh. I guess. I still root for my college team's players in the NFL, but don't really care about my college rival team's players u less they go to an NFL rival. Maybe I'm weird
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Dec 10, 2022 18:07
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kiimo posted:On the other hand if Michigan is instrumental in pushing Stroud down to where the Lions can get him that's icing on the cake. Apparently this is a deep DL class anyway, so they should be able to beef up there even if they have to cough up both firsts to secure their desired QB.
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a neat cape posted:Oh. I guess. You're not weird, I feel like most college football fans don't carry that animosity into the NFL. But we are talking Michigan / Ohio State here. Maybe they're cool about it, maybe not so much.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Anthony Richardson has entered the draft I dunno, could sit behind Goff for a couple years?
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Dec 10, 2022 18:26
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kiimo posted:You're not weird, I feel like most college football fans don't carry that animosity into the NFL. That said, the Raiders having Carr AND Adams means they're enemy number one. gently caress Fresno State
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Dec 10, 2022 18:29
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ShakeZula posted:I don't know about this, he had 15 catches, 347 yards, and 3 TDs in the Rose Bowl last year without either Wilson or Olave playing. And whenever just one of them missed a game JSN seemingly absorbed their numbers. Yeah you're probably right I just don't feel that wowed about his tape last year and then this year he faked a hamstring injury when it was obvious MHJ was going to be the focal point. We'll see how it pans out during the testing process since I wasn't that wowed by Olave either and he's lighting it up in the league.
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Dec 10, 2022 18:40
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I was also wrong about Olave. And mayyyyybe Drake London. Whoever told me that his lack of separation may not matter because of his catch radius and just flat out ability to haul in contested catches was right on. edit: but also I don't know poo poo, not trying to lump myself in with someone of real knowledge like Doltos
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Dec 10, 2022 18:51
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Doltos posted:Stroud should be the clear cut #1. When he's on he's the most accurate QB I've seen in years. Tons of tough passes that he laces on a dime. Same size and speed as Levis without the extra 3 years of growth. Bryce Young has a phenomenal arm for someone his size. Makes it look effortless. Alabama lies about his size, he's tiny. Looks like a high schooler in the huddle. Has Bill O'Brien dragging him to hell. Could definitely see his run game putting him ahead of Stroud but I really dislike drafting guys who'll fall apart in 5 years like Mayfield. I dunno, Bryce Young has the better tape than Stroud to me as Stroud struggled with picking up pressure looks and that is a big concern. If Young wasn't a midget, he would be the easy #1, but hes a tremendous midget. I think Young has the talent to be the outlier of outliers, but that is an extremely tough sell to make quote:Best player in the draft is probably Michael Mayer. Eh. Mayer is real good, but I don't think he's better than Carter or Anderson
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Dec 10, 2022 19:37
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People want Mayer to be Pitts or Gronk and he’s not close to either. Would Hank Hill think he’s a good football player? He kind of looks the part. A very angular fella.
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Caleb Williams is tempting the draft gods https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1601651275523051521
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kiimo posted:Caleb Williams is tempting the draft gods The clip doesn't really match the tweet summary.
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Dec 10, 2022 20:04
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kiimo posted:On the other hand if Michigan is instrumental in pushing Stroud down to where the Lions can get him that's icing on the cake. A lot of it is recency bias. Goff has been playing... not great, but competently for most of the season, while the defense was hot garbage for most of it. Given that none of the QBs in this draft are surefire prospects, there's a lot of folks who think, reasonably so, that it would be better to keep building up the team around Goff while continuing to wait for a better prospect. Personally, I think it would be better to go out and get our QB of the future when we have the opportunity — teams can survive bad defenses, they rarely can survive bad or even mediocre QBs. But Brad Holmes has done well enough thus far that whatever he and Campbell decide to do, I'll trust them, whether that means stacking up on defensive talent or getting the best QB they can.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Given that none of the QBs in this draft are surefire prospects Is there any such thing as a surefire prospect? Luck was probably the last guy who legitimately deserved that description and the Colts still managed to kill him before he really reached his potential. When those guys do show up you better hope you have the first pick because you probably aren’t getting them otherwise.
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Dec 10, 2022 21:18
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kiimo posted:Caleb Williams is tempting the draft gods He is Mahomes 2.0, I love him and can't wait for next year Nissin Cup Nudist posted:I dunno, Bryce Young has the better tape than Stroud to me as Stroud struggled with picking up pressure looks and that is a big concern. If Young wasn't a midget, he would be the easy #1, but hes a tremendous midget. I think Young has the talent to be the outlier of outliers, but that is an extremely tough sell to make I agree somewhat. Stroud also has elite talent around him and Michigan made him look a bit rear end. He's just such a statue in the pocket that his only move under pressure is to drift backwards like a Madden player. Also affects his accuracy mightily. I just wish Young wasn't getting dragged down by BOB right now. That LSU game was so rough. We'll know more when we get to the draft process but I'd still rather have Stroud with rooted feet over Young getting popped. WAJ might not be the best DE in this class and has looked like rear end for a good 4 games in a row this season. Carter is a phenom but I'd rather have a TE like Mayer in the current NFL over a premium 3-tech.
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I think Mayer is too slow to end up going as high as people have him. His contested ball skills are really good, to the point where you want to give it the benefit of doubt but there's been enough of those kind of pass catchers in general who don't work out that I think it's going to ding him.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Is there any such thing as a surefire prospect? Luck was probably the last guy who legitimately deserved that description and the Colts still managed to kill him before he really reached his potential. Lawrence was 100% in the Can’t Miss category. He hasn’t quite lived up to that just yet but he was absolutely on that tier.
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Lawrence was excellent and essentially a can’t miss prospect, but he was still a tier below Luck.
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Luck, Eli, and Elway. Outside of that maybe Cam if he ever learned to throw. Trevor is about on Cam's level although not as impressive athletically.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Is there any such thing as a surefire prospect? Luck was probably the last guy who legitimately deserved that description and the Colts still managed to kill him before he really reached his potential. Agreed, being stuck in QB hell is absolute dogshit for a franchise. Doesn't matter who the defensive prospect is, you take the QB if he's there.
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fennesz posted:Dalton Kincaid is listed twice No he's not. Also, as pointed out earlier this is a list I copied from ESPN so please direct your complaints there. Thank you and have a nice day.
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Ornery and Hornery posted:People want Mayer to be Pitts or Gronk and he’s not close to either. Notre Dame uses him in a lot of drag routes and he's got the catch and dig to blow up DBs that play down on those routes. Gronk also had too slow tags coming out but the Pats used him the same way Notre Dame uses Mayer. Have him work the middle enough to make the defense sleep on his speed and then hit them with a deep seam. I think it's also understated that those drag routes aren't necessarily ran to get to the boundary fast. Tons of receivers take short, chopping steps on drags to get into passing lanes rather than just outracing their coverage. I think there's a big difference when he actually gets to go on a deeper route. Pitts comparisons comes in his catching radius and ability to use his body to shield for the ball. He'll probably be a step slower but their receiving abilities are pretty similar. He's got quick feet and can do the same hesitation moves Pitts does to get separation. I think the problem is he looks like a doofus when he's catching the ball. He can jump and he has really good arm extension. He just sticks his rear end out when catching the ball and it looks unathletic. I still see him getting a step on quality defenders and they can't get close to his catch radius most of the time. Looks bad, plays great.
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that guy would really fit in well on thge cincinnati begnasl
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Diva Cupcake posted:Lawrence was 100% in the Can’t Miss category. He hasn’t quite lived up to that just yet but he was absolutely on that tier. you had to say this the day before I played against him in fantasy
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Doltos posted:and then this year he faked a hamstring injury when it was obvious MHJ was going to be the focal point. Uh where is this coming from?
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No Butt Stuff posted:Never draft an Ohio State QB Fields looks pretty good op
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kiimo posted:On the other hand if Michigan is instrumental in pushing Stroud down to where the Lions can get him that's icing on the cake. It's a fluid situation that I think depends greatly on the value of the picks. If the Rams pick was valuable enough to go and get Carter or Anderson, then I think that's where Lions fans would like to go, ahead of also taking the best CB available if the Lions stayed in the 15 range they are now. The defence is playing above itself at the minute but still needs help and talent, so it's not hard to see where the temptation to take 2 difference makers on that side comes from - especially with Goff also showing that he's capable of winning games. I think the Rams will play the Lions out of being able to get Carter or Anderson, if they haven't already (thanks Baker), and I think the Lions have more wins ahead on their schedule. If those picks end up being 6 & 18 rather than 4 & 15 as they are now, then I think it becomes easier to justify trading up for a QB and finding help at those positions later in the draft. Those are considered the deepest positions this year anyway, right?
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The draft is rich with DL and Edge players. CB not quite so much, but not like it’s barren or anything. Anthony Richardson to the Seahawks or Lions.
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wandler20 posted:No he's not. Also, as pointed out earlier this is a list I copied from ESPN so please direct your complaints there. Thank you and have a nice day. Wow you really took that to heart huh. I enjoyed reading the OP and was just trying to help you out. Cool tantrum in the TE section though. 
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Hey let's be nice to the draft guy huh? For some of us this thread is all we have. For some of us it feels like it's all we ever have.
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whos that broooown posted:Uh where is this coming from? When's the last time you saw someone sit out 10 weeks for a non-torn hamstring?
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zimbomonkey posted:Hey let's be nice to the draft guy huh? For some of us this thread is all we have. For some of us it feels like it's all we ever have. Who we being mean to Daltos?
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Oh don't mind me, I'm skimming with the confidence of full reading. Obviously my reading comprehension is shot.
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zimbomonkey posted:Hey let's be nice to the draft guy huh? For some of us this thread is all we have. For some of us it feels like it's all we ever have. I told him someone was listed twice! Happy to be the thread pariah though if that gets everyone to chill out. Send your rotten veggies straight for my big stupid head.
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fennesz posted:I told him someone was listed twice! Happy to be the thread pariah though if that gets everyone to chill out. Send your rotten veggies straight for my big stupid head. Don't worry, it didn't offend me at all. It was just a dumb list and someone had already pointed that out and I never bothered fixing it at the time.
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MrLogan posted:Who we being mean to Daltos? Grey Ghost is the draft guy now I'm just supervising
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