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Grendels Dad posted:Thanks for clarifying. And drat, now I kinda wish AEW would do a They Live and let all their wrestlers star in some movies so they can strike too. That would be fully sick. AEW has a related weekly video made by their talent called “Being the Elite” that’s featured one of their wrestlers hanging out on the picket lines in LA every week since the strike started; it’s been pretty great. (also oop sorry for hijacking the thread and turning it into wrestling chat)
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https://twitter.com/marinmmillerVO/status/1681754918368219137 TREE LAW! TREE LAW! TREE LAW! TREE LAW! 
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Tree law, best law.
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I get that picket lines are the hallmark of a strike, but this isn't a coal mine where the scabs are forced to walk by you each day. You have writers and actors based all over the country in a labor dispute with studios and streamers based all over the country, effectively shutting down the American film and tv industry. Is sending a couple dozen people to fry in the California sun really going to move the needle? e: Though it evidently gets you stories like this, so maybe I should just shut up.
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Baronash posted:I get that picket lines are the hallmark of a strike, but this isn't a coal mine where the scabs are forced to walk by you each day. You have writers and actors based all over the country in a labor dispute with studios and streamers based all over the country, effectively shutting down the American film and tv industry. Is sending a couple dozen people to fry in the California sun really going to move the needle? A picket line serves main two purposes - work stoppage and visibility. By having the picket line, no teamster trucks are going to go into that studio lot. When it was just the writers striking, this meant they could completely shut down the production for the day because the production wouldn't be able to get in the gear they needed. There's also the visibility side. Everyone driving past the area is going to be constantly reminded that this is happening. And, like you point out, you're going to get the news stories. More visibility.
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When the teachers had their strike in 2019, and the support staff in 2023, they stood in the rain to make sure they were visible. Lots of cameras and people going "drat, I'd be on my rear end in the couch they must be really hosed". Similarly, you get the studios and execs making dumb own goals while this goes on.
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FilthyImp posted:Similarly, you get the studios and execs making dumb own goals while this goes on. This is a huge part of it. Visibility, sure. But you also sucker some of the higher-ups into giving in to that primal urge to gently caress over unions, so they trim some trees that aren't theirs.
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FilthyImp posted:When the teachers had their strike in 2019, and the support staff in 2023, they stood in the rain to make sure they were visible. And I can fukkin tell you that it would take a lot to make want to walk back and forth in the sun in Burbank in the summer. It's loving brutal out right now. 
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Elman posted:They knew they'd get fined, it's well worth the cost. Cost of doing business. If Loss of revenue < (Gain of revenue doing illegal things - Fines if caught) then people will constantly break the law. Add a few petty cash donations to lawmakers and you can write in the penalties yourself.
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Baronash posted:I get that picket lines are the hallmark of a strike, but this isn't a coal mine where the scabs are forced to walk by you each day. You have writers and actors based all over the country in a labor dispute with studios and streamers based all over the country, effectively shutting down the American film and tv industry. Is sending a couple dozen people to fry in the California sun really going to move the needle? yes
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Drunkboxer posted:I like the assumption here that if there aren’t any scripted shows and movies anymore a bunch more people will just immediately start liking wrestling
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LividLiquid posted:WWE is a scripted show. Those people should be in SAG. There's absolutely no reason why they couldn't be. They're television performers learning lines from scripts and performing them on television. the writers and performers are all non-union. WWE workers tried to put a union together ages ago but Hulk Hogan was a fuckin’ cop and ruined it. that’s why you’ll see wrestlers pop up in cheap movies with just a couple of speaking lines; they wanna join SAG for the health insurance. it’s gotta suck to do promos that are entirely scripted that were handed to you 5 minutes before going out to the ring because a senile old rear end in a top hat tore up the one before it. wrestling is in such a weird liminal state; buncha sweaty theatre kids who get kicked in the head to make a living.
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Professional wrestling is an entirely separate, much worse, and indescribably weirder thing. The entire industry is built from the ground up on flouting labor laws to a truly ludicrous degree. Wrestlers are classified as independent contractors despite clearly failing at literally every test for that term -- they're deeply integrated into the overall business, they're paid salaries rather than freelance, they're not allowed to work for other employers without the approval of their main employer, they don't control their schedule, they can't subcontract the work, their performance is directly supervised. They are absolutely 100% employees being intentionally misclassified so that their employers don't have to pay for their health insurance. Any complaint to a relevant agency or lawsuit is guaranteed to succeed. And nobody loving does it, because wrestling is a weird, insular, deeply carny business and it's simply Not Done. Whole thing makes no sense.
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If hulk hogan didn't rat out Jesse Ventura when he was trying to unionize everyone, who knows where pro wrestling would've been by now. Probably a better place for the workers,what could've been. 
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I am always saying this: gently caress Hulk Hogan
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armpit_enjoyer posted:I am always saying this: gently caress Hulk Hogan -Bubba the Love Sponge, to his wife
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Drunkboxer posted:-Bubba the Love Sponge, to his wife jesus christ. Hahahaha
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Drunkboxer posted:-Bubba the Love Sponge, to his wife
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CapnAndy posted:close the loving thread, we're done here Nice try, Universal Studios!
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the escape goat posted:the writers and performers are all non-union. WWE workers tried to put a union together ages ago but Hulk Hogan was a fuckin’ cop and ruined it.
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AEW does the independent contractor thing but does at least seem to hold to part of it- the wrestlers can in fact take other gigs so long as they don't prevent them from being available and they're willing to negotiate stuff like this. Britt Baker signed with them because the schedule allows her to keep doing her IRL dentist job. And of course actual indies share talent all the time, which is good because none of their wrestlers would be able to make a living otherwise. A union is obviously needed but you run into the problem of most wrestlers being, if not necessarily ideologically conservative (though many are), of that individualistic, toughen-up, don't rely on others mentality. Same problem with a lot of software-based professions, that "I can negotiate a good deal all by myself" engineer mindset. Obviously that's something that can change the more workers talk.
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Anyone here been going to the picket line?
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So that’s why John Cena is a mermaid in the Barbie movie. It all makes sense now.
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https://twitter.com/Phil_Lewis_/status/1682577598314868739?t=czBv5x-SEO03ISaQ9BLD9A&s=19 That'll show those jerks at NBCUniversal!
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SilentChaz posted:https://twitter.com/SteveRogers1943/status/1682369669309644803?t=BMZTGzXN5EZfNNJnddj4ow&s=19 yeah, there's actually waivers and the only people I know working right now are the people on these waiver low-budget indie movies
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Jet Li revealed he turned down the Matrix sequels because they wanted to digitally capture his kung fu moves and then own them forever.quote:In his latest interview with famed Chinese anchor Chen Luyu, Li revealed his reason for turning down the big role in The Matrix Reloaded and The Matrix Revolution.
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Honestly, I think that SAG-AFTRA and the WGA should go as long as possible. Given the amount the movies and TV shows that have been made, A case can be made that we don't need anymore programming to be made. A person who dies at age 97 will have lived six million hours give or take. Assuming 1/3 of that is sleep, that leaves four million. You can lop off 120k hours for your first two years of life and 15k for school but it's easier to work with numbers with more zeros for now. 1939 had 365 movies made by Hollywood (source: A Jeopardy clue this week from a writer now on strike) Assuming that is Hollywood's average output of films & nobody watches anything but movies before that year with a average runtime of 90 min, That's approximately 46k hours if a movie is only viewed once and ignoring everything pre Gone with the Wind (the film, not the book). That's over 5 years TV makes this interesting, Here in the USA, we have 4 major networks over the air. Here is one scripted show from each and episode count ABC: Dark Shadows at 1225 episodes (that's soap operas for you) totaling 470 hours. $400 on Amazon and the DVD box set is yours CBS: Gunsmoke at 635 episodes. This took 13 years but they're all on DVD. It's about 470 hours as well. Radio not included Fox: The Simpsons at 750 episodes and counting. Assuming 20 minute episodes (not fully accurate but go with it), 250 hours on Disney+. Replace the episode covered up by a blanket with the movie. NBC: Law & Order (original recipe version) at 488 and counting making over 356 hours covering a lot of hours for mornings on cable. Add in other shows with Beltzer making a apperance as John Munch with you have at least six months. Put in other Dick Wolf shows, you likely have a year and developed a nice callus on your tongue after licking all that leather by people's toes. Combine all the runtimes, you have 64 straight days or 1500+ hours by themselves. A comedy that hit 100 episodes is 2 days. A drama is 4. To put it simply, the AMPTP might weather this in the near term but if they want to remain in business, they'll have to meet with the unions eventually. Either both go or the studios go
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New plan: call off the strike, abolish all performing arts, and mandate that all existing movies and television shows be re-aired in chronological order from here on out. Problem solved.
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SilentChaz posted:Jet Li revealed he turned down the Matrix sequels because they wanted to digitally capture his kung fu moves and then own them forever. Usually when I hear this story it's presented as him being difficult Obviously that particular framing doesn't hold a lot of water in 2023
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As Actors Strike for AI Protections, Netflix Lists $900,000 AI Job https://theintercept.com/2023/07/25/strike-hollywood-ai-disney-netflix/ 'As Hollywood executives insist it is “just not realistic” to pay actors — 87 percent of whom earn less than $26,000 — more, they are spending lavishly on AI programs.' ‘Idiots’: Wall Street Analysts Unload on Hollywood https://theankler.com/p/idiots-wall-street-analysts-unload 'Michael Pachter, research analyst at Wedbush Securities, is more pointed: “The market thinks all of the corporate bosses are idiots, and generally sides with the unions.”'
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Exclusive: California Gov Gavin Newsom May Be Back Channeling in Actors, Writers Strikes Against Studios https://www.showbiz411.com/2023/07/26/exclusive-california-gov-gavin-newsom-may-be-back-channeling-in-actors-writers-strikes-against-studios 'Jeopardy!' Tournament of Champions is delayed after winners said they won't compete amid writers strike https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/jeopardy-tournament-of-champions-delay-winners-writers-strike-203837254.html
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I quoted it ICYMI. So the thread title might be changed if the negotiations go through. (USER WAS PERMABANNED FOR THIS POST)
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what does the AFTRA stand for
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GateOfD posted:what does the AFTRA stand for American Federation of Television and Radio Artists
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