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Hyrax Attack! posted:Oh yeah I like how John Hammond is one of the most interesting villains in cinema. At first he’s a kindly grandpa with grandkids in peril but fun to pick up all the clues the entire situation is his fault. "Spared no expense*" *Except when it comes to actually paying his staff. Which is why it's such a drat shame that they have Hammond a happy ending with his grandkids, instead of him being ripped apart by a swarm of Compsagnathus, like in the book.
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facialimpediment posted:The border bill text was released yesterday. The fact sheets, bill text, and etc simply don't matter as chud commentators are saying the Republicans involved with the negotiation should be prosecuted for (mystery) crimes. Quite a few Republican Senators are making revolty noises against McConnell (like that Lee thing). The Republicans don't want to be seen as giving Biden a win. But they're also showing their whole rear end by screaming about the border invasion as loudly as they can and then saying they won't vote for this bipartisan bill. The base won't give a poo poo but at least some of the "moderates", "independents", and "undecided" voters will.
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fknlo posted:The Republicans don't want to be seen as giving Biden a win. But they're also showing their whole rear end by screaming about the border invasion as loudly as they can and then saying they won't vote for this bipartisan bill. The base won't give a poo poo but at least some of the "moderates", "independents", and "undecided" voters will. Yeah but I'm also worried about the progressive base too, as this basically cedes turf on a whole bunch of issues (CBP funding, asylum reductions, border closing). But I don't think this is a Merrick Garland Supreme Court situation because there are quite a few Republican senators yelling at chuds too. Passing it would probably take immigration off the rational voter's radar, it crashing probably highlights the rear end-showing. Very scrambled politics on the merits of the bill, but hoo boy the Congressional debate is a dumpsterfire.
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Nick Soapdish posted:https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1754565802773160404?t=IZE8Rj_SJ_m0CeSSOgLYeQ&s=19 Thinking of the discussion about wisdom of replacing popular very very old monarch with unpopular very old monarch, rather than skipping to his generally liked son.
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Democrats were asking for this poo poo. Republicans have been screaming about the border for years and years and barely a peep from Democrats on the issue. Just trying to ignore it until they felt they had no choice but to move heavily to the right. Doing a horrendous job of selling why anyone should vote Democrat in 2024. Can't even put in the effort to push back against the insanity coming from the GOP and seem more than okay with kicking the progressives to the curb rather than stake out their own values and vision for the future of the country. "At least we're not Republicans!" doesn't cut it. Between eagerly supporting the genocide of the Palestinians and completely ceding immigration to the right just all around a loving pathetic showing by Democrats.
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Mustang posted:Between eagerly supporting the genocide of the Palestinians and completely ceding immigration to the right just all around a loving pathetic showing by Democrats. Honestly, I think that a whole lot of Democrats are more than ok with both of those, not just the politicians. You're gonna lose the people that you were gonna lose because of whatever purity test they were going to vote off of anyway while probably picking up "reasonable" people from the center.
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Democrats weren't asking for it. Republicans were screaming for it in exchange for funding to stop genocide of Ukrainians, so they offered to compromise.
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That sounds like a foolish mistake to spurn your politically engaged activist base in favor of unreliable voters in the middle. As it is I don't feel compelled to make the argument that Biden and the Democrats are the better choice in November, and I'm a lot more politically engaged than your average voter. OddObserver posted:Democrats weren't asking for it. Republicans were screaming for it in exchange for funding to stop genocide of Ukrainians, so they offered to compromise. They've had years to offer their own immigration solutions and have declined to do so. The right has successfully defined the Democrats as the Open Borders party despite being completely untethered from the truth.
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OddObserver posted:Democrats weren't asking for it. Republicans were screaming for it in exchange for funding to stop genocide of Ukrainians, so they offered to compromise. House GOP is apparently going to hold a vote on standalone funding for Israel and I have absolutely no idea how that vote count is going to go. There aren't really moral solutions for any of this stuff, so I'll look for the comedy: https://twitter.com/acnewsitics/status/1754521692771405909?t=Le5fKoRxtjjepbW-t7xH4g&s=19
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Mustang posted:They've had years to offer their own immigration solutions and have declined to do so. The right has successfully defined the Democrats as the Open Borders party despite being completely untethered from the truth. The only immigration policy the Democrats could've adopted that the Republicans wouldn't find a way to scream about would be utterly intolerable to anyone who isn't literally Satan
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Republicans are never going to vote for a Democrat, and they shouldn't be chasing Republican voters. They didn't have to let the GOP freely spend years defining the narrative that Democrats are the Open Borders party, but they did. Doesn't matter that it isn't true, Democrat is synonymous with Open Borders now. Just two words and it's easy to remember.
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bird food bathtub posted:Unilateral ability of the president to shut down the border completely When they say "the border" what does that mean? The land border with Mexico? Both land borders with Mexico and Canada? All arriving and departing flights, ships, etc from all borders, air land and sea? What is "the border"?
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Cythereal posted:Remnants of a Nuclear Missile Are Found in a Garage https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/04/us/seattle-nuclear-missile-garage.html Chuckling at the incredibly stupid phrase "military-grade missile".
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Kesper North posted:When they say "the border" what does that mean? The land border with Mexico? Both land borders with Mexico and Canada? All arriving and departing flights, ships, etc from all borders, air land and sea? What is "the border"? Brown people, basically. Every now and then, there's some Republican that starts yelling about the Canadian border. Then that Republican looks behind them for signs of support and it's an empty room. Mustang posted:They didn't have to let the GOP freely spend years defining the narrative that Democrats are the Open Borders party, but they did. Doesn't matter that it isn't true, Democrat is synonymous with Open Borders now. Just two words and it's easy to remember. Possible that I'm fully agreeing with you, but I'm not really aware of a democratic policy on the border. I'm not sure it's really a priority for the Democratic base, so their only policies come up when Republicans do super heinous poo poo (razor wire entanglement, family separation, kids in cages, etc) and the more Squaddy positions (where my policy preferences are) don't get much of anywhere. Establishment, to the extent it exists, just wants the issue gone. Incidentally, probably why Abbott's policy innovation of sending migrants to northern cities worked so well. Basically forced migrants on city government NIMBYs.
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M_Gargantua posted:When they say the boarder they mean racism. Yes, yes. But what does the text of the law say
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Kesper North posted:Yes, yes. But what does the text of the law say It's all Mexico, with some fentanyl-detector machines thrown in. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/new-immigration-asylum-reform-bill-released-senate-text-rcna136602
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Nick Soapdish posted:https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1754565802773160404?t=IZE8Rj_SJ_m0CeSSOgLYeQ&s=19 quote:The type of cancer has not been revealed - it is not prostate cancer, but was discovered during his recent treatment for an enlarged prostate. Well that’s a good sign, from the perspective of a free Ireland.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Chuckling at the incredibly stupid phrase "military-grade missile". Only 1290s kids will remember when three-hundred-pound stones were military-grade missiles.
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Mustang posted:That sounds like a foolish mistake to spurn your politically engaged activist base in favor of unreliable voters in the middle.
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Mustang posted:That sounds like a foolish mistake to spurn your politically engaged activist base in favor of unreliable voters in the middle.  The right has would be defining the Democrats as the Open Borders party for anything short of machine gunning migrants at the border. I think the real lesson is that "biden economy bad" is less and less effective, which means they need other arguments.
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Cythereal posted:Remnants of a Nuclear Missile Are Found in a Garage https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/04/us/seattle-nuclear-missile-garage.html lol at "military-grade missile" oops beaten Basticle fucked around with this message at 23:55 on Feb 5, 2024 |
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I mean it also doesn't help that the right has a massive, unceasing propaganda machine dedicated towards painting both immigrants and Democrats in the worst possible light. Or that the Dems are really a massive coalition of varied interests and communities that more often than not are working together out of unified opposition to the Republicans than they are over shared interests.
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Basticle posted:lol at "military-grade missile" As opposed to "model rocket with a USAF roundel on the fuselage" I presume
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Arrath posted:As opposed to "model rocket with a USAF roundel on the fuselage" I presume M80 in the nose cone of an Estes Comanche
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Cugel the Clever posted:Are you characterizing people who support Ukraine against Russia's attempted genocide as "unbelievable voters in the middle"? I didn't say anything about Ukraine. Either way, we shouldn't have to screw over one victimized group to help another. facialimpediment posted:Brown people, basically. I agree, and I think it's insane that they thought the border is an issue that could just be ignored. Even in Seattle I can see how large swaths of the country screech endlessly about the border, this was just a ticking time bomb waiting to blow up in their face.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:I mean it also doesn't help that the right has a massive, unceasing propaganda machine dedicated towards painting both immigrants and Democrats in the worst possible light. Or that the Dems are really a massive coalition of varied interests and communities that more often than not are working together out of unified opposition to the Republicans than they are over shared interests. It's pretty sad that the only Democrat I can think of that tries to counter Republican narratives in any capacity is the stunningly impressive human being Gavin loving Newsom. You want people to prattle on and on about policy? Some ivy educated freak that uses focus groups to perfectly tailor every message? Democrats are your folks. No idea what they stand for other than that they're less bad than the other guys.
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Mustang posted:No idea what they stand for other than that they're less bad than the other guys. "gently caress you vote me"
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Mustang posted:That sounds like a foolish mistake to spurn your politically engaged activist base in favor of unreliable voters in the middle. like basically any issue, the dems are betting that the base will grumble and fall in line anyway despite caving to unpopular policy demands from republicans, especially if they can still engage the base in other areas (union members in michigan probably care more about labor wins than they do border policy). meanwhile, while you can potentially undo border policy in the future, you can't really ring up russia and say "hey, we couldn't pass funding for ukraine, we would have had to agree to border policies we didn't want, could you just leave anyway pretty please?". time pressure beats morality
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Mustang posted:That sounds like a foolish mistake to spurn your politically engaged activist base in favor of unreliable voters in the middle. unironically the only problem with the border is that immigration is too restrictive and the system is too onerous to navigate, so the only worthwhile solution would be incremental movement towards Open Borders Mustang posted:It's pretty sad that the only Democrat I can think of that tries to counter Republican narratives in any capacity is the stunningly impressive human being Gavin loving Newsom. what do you even want out of the democrats, other than messaging?
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ded posted:sounds like you eat too much fox news Nah Mustang's right on that one. Democrats essentially want to bury border news because right now a border crackdown is a majority+ position. Democratic strategy on the border, pre-bill, was the same as the Republican election strategy on abortion - shut up and hope it goes away. I think that's a pretty objective, non-foxy position. Biden has done *a lot* in terms of border enforcement (lots and lots and lots of deportations), though he's also carved out new turf on parole acceptances. What's new is the migrant bussing basically leading to Democrats caving into a Republican-leaning bill. Republicans don't even know what to do with that and I find it pretty funny the pretzels they're turning into to avoid saying "donnie told me to vote no so he can win the election" Edit: Found a good analogy - it's a lot like how under Biden, we're producing the most oil we ever have. Now that's specifically something Biden never mentioned because it's bad on the base side, but same idea. facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Feb 6, 2024 |
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hypnophant posted:what do you even want out of the democrats, other than messaging? To give me a reason to vote for them that isn't "I'm not Trump and we aren't Republicans". Hear a lot about how Trump and his cult is a threat to American democracy, but not about what Democrats stand for and how they can make America a better place to live. And messaging is important, something that Democrats are loving awful at. Great at appealing to upper middle class folks with graduate degrees that read policy for fun, but not much else. ded posted:sounds like you eat too much fox news The most conservative news I read is the Washington Post and the New York Times. I vote in every election, whether the general, midterm or special elections. I'm 99.9% likely to pull the trigger for Biden in November. But I'm not going to like it.
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I’m 100% with Mustang on all of this. The leadership of the Democratic Party is embarrassing and narcissistic and the best thing that could be said for them is at least they aren’t pure evil like their GOP counterparts.The Eyes Have It posted:Of course you'll be conflicted on some level. Holding your nose while you vote is a sign that you understand that politics, just like people, is deeply flawed even if there is a better and a worse option. In fact, if you're yanking a lever with nothing but a big smile you're probably a demagogue. This really more of an indictment of our political system than an endorsement- why shouldn’t I be happy to vote for someone rather than just being glad the other guy lost? pantslesswithwolves fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Feb 6, 2024 |
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