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indigi posted:why though? just bury them. then you can use the area all the infrastructure would take up to do anything else because for the cost of burying one line you could have built 5 more
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actionjackson posted:they should be owned by the people living there, hth Canada and the US are white settler states and the natives never got a chance to say who got to live on their land. It's rich for a bunch of white Europeans to show up and grab all the prime real estate, then turn around and start decrying the evils of owning and renting property. Esp given how they turned beautiful West coast rainforest to ugly low density overpriced sprawl.
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Harik posted:because for the cost of burying one line you could have built 5 more if we’re taking cost into consideration then we should stop talking about it completely lol
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Brisbane paved over its tram network in the 1960's. Then the city's population quadrupled and the council has spent the last 30 years building a public transport network of busways and underground rail that follows the exact path of the old tram routes lol.
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requiring transit lines to be buried, while sure it would be nice, is bread and butter for koch-sponsored poison pill astroturf "concerned community member" bullshit, and if you are suggesting it you should at least be aware of that
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indigi posted:who cares how much space they use or how dangerous they are, they’re still better buried or lifted. no need for designated street areas at all really as much as i'd like to get rid of cars entirely, and of course metros are excellent, in practice the underground/overhead/monorail argument is usually deployed by concern trolls who don't want road space to be allocated away from cars and to other users plus getting on and off a tram at street level is nice.
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mawarannahr posted:this sounds like a problem. do you collect other things in greater number than you need? Oh, I need the cars. Going mountain biking? Gotta drive over a mountain range to get to the trails. Going skiing? Legally required to have a 4wd with winter tires. Going backpacking? Gonna need a high clearance 4x4 to get there (one of my vehicles is an ex-usfs pickup truck, carries six people and everything we need for a week or more in the desert or mountains). Two of them are commuter cars for the wife and I too. I'll replace those with evs as soon as I can afford to. I got a ton of skis and snowboards too, but each has it's place and I ski 100 days a year (bike about 150 days). It's real stupid that I have to have these vehicles to pursue my outdoor activities though. I'd much prefer trams or other rail transit but this red state has a hate boner against that poo poo. I can bike to my new job though which kicks rear end. I biked to work for a decade when I lived in the twin cities. I figure keeping old vehicles on the road is a lot better for the earth than buying new ones, plus some of them I've rescued from the junkyard by swapping engines or other stuff that was needed.
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cool av posted:requiring transit lines to be buried, while sure it would be nice, is bread and butter for koch-sponsored poison pill astroturf "concerned community member" bullshit, and if you are suggesting it you should at least be aware of that 
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cool av posted:requiring transit lines to be buried, while sure it would be nice, is bread and butter for koch-sponsored poison pill astroturf "concerned community member" bullshit, and if you are suggesting it you should at least be aware of that there will be no lines. if we’re going to play pretend and talk about what we’d like ideally why stop at “the Koch brothers will pull funding!!”
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the Squamish nation, and every First Nation in Canada, are to this day struggling to maintain even the right to exist without being exploited, marginalized and brutalized, the exact opposite of the traditional land owning class they're allowed to play the game to keep it together, double points for subverting modern godawful urban development, complainers can gently caress off.
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indigi posted:there will be no lines. if we’re going to play pretend and talk about what we’d like ideally why stop at “the Koch brothers will pull funding!!” there will be at least one line i'm sure of it
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suggesting “rofl just bury it” over and over about transit at a minimum showcases a lack of familiarity with digging in established environments which is at least comically abject but very likely to be studied ignorance
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Oct 1, 2021 01:36
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bury the fuckin cars.....IN A VOLCANO
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return them to the bowels from which they came up a CEOs rear end
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LonsomeSon posted:suggesting “rofl just bury it” over and over about transit at a minimum showcases a lack of familiarity with digging in established environments which is at least comically abject but very likely to be studied ignorance then put those ones in the sky. I gave two options
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indigi posted:then put those ones in the sky. I gave two options oh wild I wonder if the exact same post with minimal changes would apply equally to this
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i still hate cars
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LonsomeSon posted:oh wild I wonder if the exact same post with minimal changes would apply equally to this it wouldn’t
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Oct 1, 2021 01:57
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throw car batteries into the ocean, restore reef habitats then bury the car under it
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my proposal is they bury the roads and parking lots, then everything above ground gets to be for public transit, walking, and bikes. oh is it too inconvenient and expensive to put all that stuff underground? good, we just won't have anywhere to drive or park a car.
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lobster shirt posted:my proposal is they bury the roads and parking lots, then everything above ground gets to be for public transit, walking, and bikes. oh is it too inconvenient and expensive to put all that stuff underground? good, we just won't have anywhere to drive or park a car. Why not put the public transit underground too so that everything can be for walking and bikes
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indigi posted:Why not put the public transit underground too so that everything can be for walking and bikes because public transit being aboveground means everybody gets to look at cool trains and wave and cheer as they go past
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Oct 1, 2021 02:09
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 this is what indigi wants to take from you
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indigi posted:Why not put the public transit underground too so that everything can be for walking and bikes i want to look at trams and streetcars and buses and all the rest
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Harik posted:because for the cost of burying one line you could have built 5 more IT'S loving INFRASTRUCUTRE. ITS AN INVESTMENT STOP TIHNKING ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF COST THAT ISN'T HOW GOVERNMENT FNDING WORKS. loving liberals man.
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indigi posted:it wouldn’t why not just put all of the pedestrian traffic in the air to suit my specific fetish, it literally makes exactly the same amount of sense
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Sphyre posted:
I thought we were talking about in cities, that’s fine if you live in the middle of nowhere
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cool av posted:requiring transit lines to be buried, while sure it would be nice, is bread and butter for koch-sponsored poison pill astroturf "concerned community member" bullshit, and if you are suggesting it you should at least be aware of that can you elaborate on what that is?
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indigi posted:I thought we were talking about in cities, that’s fine if you live in the middle of nowhere please don't troll me.
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please do trolley me
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Recycle all cars into structural elements for high density housing and tracks for expanding commuter rail lines imo
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Sphyre posted:
gently caress that's bucolic
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:can you elaborate on what that is? i don't have a link that explicitly makes the astroturf connection, but this "debate" was one of the factors keeping the DC metro line to dulles from proceeding for years and nearly derailed it https://ggwash.org/view/9978/ggw-debates-build-metro-above-or-below-ground-at-dulles quote:With costs rising, a vote by the Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority to support an underground station has pitted elected officials against each other over the location of the future stop. And the controversy even thretens to scuttle the second phase of the Silver Line entirely. more generally https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/19/climate/koch-brothers-public-transit.html quote:In cities and counties across the country — including Little Rock, Ark.; Phoenix, Ariz.; southeast Michigan; central Utah; and here in Tennessee — the Koch brothers are fueling a fight against public transit, an offshoot of their longstanding national crusade for lower taxes and smaller government.
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lil poopendorfer posted:it's $5/month Honestly, I never thought the produce was great. Otherwise yeah, you have to buy giant cans of tomato sauce to make it worth it because you aren’t going to really save on electronics, meat, liquor etc. Admittedly, It depends on the person but the last time I was there I was really struggling to find much that was substantially cheaper without buying a huge portion that is going to be wasted or take up too much space. If you are going to eat a 25 pound bag of rice, it is different but a 60 dollar members up ply the sheer hassle of it, eh pass. (Also, there are random things like glasses frames that can be cheaper, but if you don’t need them, what do you got...giant bags of beef jerky?) I much rather shop locally, and not feel like I got to eat more of x because someone has to. cool av posted:requiring transit lines to be buried, while sure it would be nice, is bread and butter for koch-sponsored poison pill astroturf "concerned community member" bullshit, and if you are suggesting it you should at least be aware of that The best scenario is having tram lines feeding into more central metro lines. I liked Helsinki in particular has both a large s bahn system together with a small metro system and it works. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 06:58 on Oct 1, 2021 |
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Funnily enough visiting Helsinki in my teens was when I first realized that car culture deprived us of something when it killed mass transit in America. I saw what an actual transit system could do and I loved it
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LA could have easily kept most of its streetcar system, made the metrolink an S Bahn system, and spent the rest of the money on metro expansion. Helsinki found a way to make it work (and so did Melbourne and St.Pete). Anyway, it isn’t cars themselves that are the issue (they do kind of suck but there are was to control them) but maniacs during the mid-20 century who lost their minds over them and bulldozed cities to make them barely livable. All of this was a choice. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 13:19 on Oct 1, 2021 |
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Ardennes posted:LA could have easily kept most of its streetcar system, made the metrolink an S Bahn system, and spent the rest of the money on metro expansion. Helsinki found a way to make it work (and so did Melbourne and St.Pete). everybody loves to blame Robert Moses for all this but I think that's very America-centric and we should also blame Le Corbusier
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vyelkin posted:everybody loves to blame Robert Moses for all this but I think that's very America-centric and we should also blame Le Corbusier Admittedly, it was more than Robert Moses, it was a group effort but I think Le Coubusier was a long time in coming though. St.Pete is good, just needs quite a bit more funding. It is very obviously still the step child to Moscow. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 13:28 on Oct 1, 2021 |
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