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twistedmentat posted:Will Spider-Man 2 be subtitled Sadie Hawkins or Harvest Dance? Clearly the 3rd will be called Graduation. Sadie Hawkins will be the Black Cat/Silver Sable spinoff
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Just got back from seeing the new Spider-Man and it's probably my favorite Spider-Man movie to date! Tom Holland really emboies both the Peter Parker and Spider-Man personas perfectly. It's taken six movies and three reboots, but they've finally got the right guy and right tone. The high school scenes were reminiscent of a John Hughes movie, in a good way. It was very much a superhero coming-of-age film, but they wisely avoided anything to do with Uncle Ben (as it's been done way too much, like the Wayne murders) The Vulture was a very compelling villain, as he was just a normal hard-working father whose business went under because the government dicked him over. His overall design was pretty badass, and I enjoyed everything with his crew, the Tinkerer and Shocker. They made the goddamn Vulture, of all villains, be legitimately menacing and cool - that's commendable! It was refreshing to see the villain actually figure out the identity of the hero without being woefully dense . I'm glad they kept him and Mac Gargan alive, as I'd like to see both again. Perhaps they're leading up to the Sinister Six? As a long-time comics fan, I was psyched to see Damage Control, even if they're just a government agency co-owned by Stark. Also, the callbacks to classic comic panels like the half mask, half face in the reflection of the water and when he struggled lifting the debris off him, but then succeeds in a fit of strength. I don't get the hate with Ned or any of the supporting cast. Ned in particular was wonderful, as he acted like anyone would who found out their best bud is the famous Spider-Alan all over the web. He was goofy, innocent and had a lot of great little moments ("Do you spit venom?" "I was watching...porn") Overall a wonderful movie, and easily in my top 5 Marvel films - and the best Spider-Man yet.
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Jul 10, 2017 01:59
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In the next Spider-Man he uses his Spider-sense and super reflexes to be really good at PubG on Twitch
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Jul 10, 2017 02:04
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BiggerBoat posted:Good to know. I'll jot that down in my Ryhno Opinions of Movies notebook. I'm glad someone is keeping track of these things.
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Jul 10, 2017 02:05
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Just saw it again and I can't believe there was ever a moment people didn't love the Vulture design. The helmet alone is amazing.
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Jul 10, 2017 02:24
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Arist posted:Just saw it again and I can't believe there was ever a moment people didn't love the Vulture design. The helmet alone is amazing. The jacket is killer. I'd wear that if I thought for a second that I could pull it off.
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Arist posted:Just saw it again and I can't believe there was ever a moment people didn't love the Vulture design. The helmet alone is amazing. People were wary because the first reveal was from an action figure that looked kinda bad, but we really should be used to Marvel action figures looking like poo poo now that ToyBiz is gone.
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Jul 10, 2017 02:35
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Arist posted:Just saw it again and I can't believe there was ever a moment people didn't love the Vulture design. The helmet alone is amazing. The Vulture's design was terrifying in motion. I loved how even without the costume Keaton still a guy you'd never want to gently caress with.
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Rhyno posted:Here's a fact. ....Well a broken clock is right twice a day or whatever.
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Jul 10, 2017 03:09
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Having just played Horizon: Zero Dawn, it at times felt like Peter was fighting a Stormbird.
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Jul 10, 2017 03:55
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Easily the best Spider-man movie, and I say this as someone who felt that Spider-man 2 was the pinnacle of big 2 movies. It had the perfect mix of comedy, drama, and action. I would probably place it directly next to guardians as my current favorite comic movie. It's been 4 hours since I saw it and I'm still chuckling to myself silently over May's last line.
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Jul 10, 2017 04:15
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I watched it today in the morning. It's a loving great nice super hero movie. Lots of laughs, Vulture was amazing, god I hope they bring Keaton back for a sequel. And spidey acts like the comic book spidey I love the most, the one who can't stop talking  You did it Sony, you
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JT Smiley posted:The Vulture's design was terrifying in motion. I loved how even without the costume Keaton still a guy you'd never want to gently caress with. Well he was Mr Mom so I wouldn't.
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Jul 10, 2017 04:58
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I really enjoyed the movie, but my wife said she found the first half boring. I wanted to disagree, but...I can't actually remember what happened? I enjoyed the low key-ness, but maybe it just didn't make much of an impression on me.
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Jul 10, 2017 05:35
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Character development happened.
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Jul 10, 2017 05:36
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There was a part where Spidey webbed up a dude just trying to get into his car and then a bunch of people started giving him poo poo. That was great. For real though, there are some good beats. It wasn't very punchy, but I thought that was to the movie's benefit.
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Jul 10, 2017 05:48
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Tony Stark was the second villain in this film and that was great.
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Jul 10, 2017 07:45
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At this point I think it's a running joke that the writers portray Stark as close to a villian as possible while still having a fig leaf of plausible deniability and see how close to the line they can get before people start to catch on that Tony Stark is not actually a hero.
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Jul 10, 2017 10:01
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The real question, in all of this, is who was the guy who okayed a contract for a bunch of regular working Joes with what I presume is no prior experience dealing with unknown and probably extremely dangerous alien technology to salvage a bunch of unknown and probably extremely dangerous alien technology in the first place? Like I get the film wants to play it like Tooms got hosed on the deal by Tony Stark and SHIELD but c'mon, if a bunch of unexploded nuclear bombs land in the middle of downtown Manhattan they don't just call in a bunch of locals to do cleanup. It's kinda nitpicky but it ties into the whole "Tony Stark is the real villain of the film" thing (and no doubt Tony is a huge fuckup) You open the movie with Tooms casually whacking glowy bits off a crashed alien speeder with a chunk of metal and I don't know about you but if I saw that I'd probably be wanting someone else to step in too. And the movie goes on to demonstrate multiple times just how dangerous this stuff is even if it isn't being used to make rayguns for bank robbers.
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Jul 10, 2017 10:37
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The people who okayed "a bunch of working joes" was, again, the City government of New York. Which says a lot to be honest.
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Jul 10, 2017 10:52
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I actually got the opposite impression. While Toomes' own crew members were were in over their head when it came to the Chitauri tech, right off the bat Toomes himself showed a ton of aptitude and canniness in dealing with them. One of the very first things he does in the film is to show a crewman how to safely disassemble something, so it's not that Toomes was casually whacking glowing bits off, it's that he knew how to best whack those glowing bits off. The result is self-evident, considering that he ended up making a ton of useful equipment from that tech over the next eight years without any major issues as far as we know.
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Jul 10, 2017 10:56
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Toome's crew at the opening was probably hired by the city because when there's like a half dozen giant space worms to take apart, you're going to run out of government crew pretty fast. And as for Tony trusting or not Spidey with the FBI raid on the boat: he was calling him at the exact same moment, to congratulate him. "You did well kid! The info you gave me led to the FBI to pull together an operation to take down the arms dealers right at this moment. I'm on stand-by in case the flying monster guy appears. Have this code to unlock some things in your suit that will make information gathering easier."
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Jul 10, 2017 10:57
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Kal-L posted:And as for Tony trusting or not Spidey with the FBI raid on the boat: he was calling him at the exact same moment, to congratulate him. "You did well kid! The info you gave me led to the FBI to pull together an operation to take down the arms dealers right at this moment. I'm on stand-by in case the flying monster guy appears. Have this code to unlock some things in your suit that will make information gathering easier." Besides, calling to let Peter know about the FBI involvement at the exact moment that the involvement was happening is a taaad too little, too late. For all we know he was calling to make sure Peter was still being an obedient little boy and staying out of the big people business, under the guise of a supposedly-routine complimentary phonecall that he's literally never given to Peter before.
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BrianWilly posted:I actually got the opposite impression. While Toomes' own crew members were were in over their head when it came to the Chitauri tech, right off the bat Toomes himself showed a ton of aptitude and canniness in dealing with them. One of the very first things he does in the film is to show a crewman how to safely disassemble something, so it's not that Toomes was casually whacking glowing bits off, it's that he knew how to best whack those glowing bits off. The result is self-evident, considering that he ended up making a ton of useful equipment from that tech over the next eight years without any major issues as far as we know. Canniness doesn't count for much when it comes to poo poo that for all you know explodes when it's exposed to radiation and you have no idea how any of it works, just that you can pop bits off with an alien alloy crowbar. Pop the wrong bit off and it turns out that was an alien gas cap, whoops we've got a radiation leak, and now alien grenades are going off like firecrackers in the middle of Times Square. Again, this is before extremely dangerous alien tech cleanups became a commonplace feature on Marvel Movie Earth and you have a guy who's only ever worked with regular normal earth salvage jobs before, there is literally no way in hell if Toomes was that canny that he would have thought that the feds, SHIELD, whoever, would be perfectly okay with his crew salvaging a bunch of unknown alien wreckage and just leaving them to it because they got a city contract. Toomes went and put the cart before the horse, gambled big on what he had to figure was a job offered out of shock and desperation, and then he lost. Like yeah, it sucks, but how'd he figure that scenario was gonna play out exactly? And again, if I'm the average guy who just saw aliens invade and blow up big chunks of a major metropolitan area and it turns out a bunch of their glowy space rock technology is left behind I would absolutely want the cleanup to be handled by some sort of task force whose approach to the job wasn't the equivalent of poking unexploded ordnance with a stick.
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Jul 10, 2017 11:25
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I really did love that Parker Luck was a big part of the movie.
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Jul 10, 2017 11:27
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Wasn't Pepper Potts basically running Stark corp at the time of the start of this? Does Damage Control have connections with SHIELD (i.e. Hydra)?
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Jul 10, 2017 11:44
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My favorite part of the movie (other than the morning announcements, obviously) was Michael Keaton's Dad jokes. And that he continued making them even after he figured out who Spider-Man was.
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Kal-L posted:And as for Tony trusting or not Spidey with the FBI raid on the boat: he was calling him at the exact same moment, to congratulate him. "You did well kid! The info you gave me led to the FBI to pull together an operation to take down the arms dealers right at this moment. I'm on stand-by in case the flying monster guy appears. Have this code to unlock some things in your suit that will make information gathering easier." I just saw it, and that's the impression I got. Easily the best Spidey film so far, in my opinion. I felt Maguire was a great Peter Parker but a terrible Spider-man, Garfield was a great Spiderman but terrible Peter Parker, and Tom Holland finally got the balance right. Making the Vulture of all people, a guy whose power suite comes down to "has a jetpack" going up against Spiderman, a seriously menacing villain with a very ominous on-screen presence suited up or not, was a tough feat aided immensely by casting. A shame how one-note and barely present all the female characters in the movie were, but oh well.
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Kal-L posted:
Also you have to figure Peter's response to that would be "The FBI can't handle these guys, I've got superpowers, I've got to go and stop them myself.
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so like, putting aside Tony Stark and whatnot, where do you think they should look towards villains? Personally speaking, I know they've already had their shot, but it feels like a waste if this new, more realized version of Peter Parker never gets to butt heads with similar versions of Octavius and Osborn. Don't get me wrong. Defoe and Molina are great, but they don't really feel like they're fully actualized versions of Norman and Otto in the same way Tom Holland feels like Peter Parker. And like, the MCU needs big, recurring villains, and in that vein who better than Osborn? If Peter is gonna be the core of the MCU like Fiege has said, give us his Lex Luthor.
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Jul 10, 2017 15:39
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People are really sick of Norman Osbourne I think.
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Jul 10, 2017 15:42
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He's been in like two movies, and in one he was on screen for five minutes before rolling over and dying. I'm more sick of Harry after he carried the idiot ball across two different series, to be honest.
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Jul 10, 2017 15:43
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TFRazorsaw posted:He's been in like two movies, and in one he was on screen for five minutes before rolling over and dying. I think ghost mirror Norman counts in 2 and 3.
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Jul 10, 2017 15:46
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I guess. I forgot he was even in the third one.
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Jul 10, 2017 15:49
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I would like to see, in approximate order: -Mysterio -Kraven -Electro again maybe -Scorpion (which I guess we'll get) -Sandman -Mr. Negative
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Jul 10, 2017 15:51
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I really do want Alistair Smythe and his Spider Slayers.
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Jul 10, 2017 15:55
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I don't know, it just feels like... even though I appreciated that they had grounded stakes and whatnot, I also expect and feel like sequels building off of this need to escalate things. And while Spider-man has one of the two best rogues galleries in all of comics, a lot of them are unambitious. And part of the appeal for me is seeing them all bounce off and brush against each other in the same world, and with Gargan and Toomes apparently being set up to continue, it feels like there needs to be someone to bring them all together. Most of them are thugs. Mysterio plays the mastermind role sometimes, sure, but he's more valuable for clever visual spectacle than being part of the core themes of a story. The one time they tried to do more than make him a glorified showman, he turned into a Daredevil villain and it was just kind of ill fitting and weird. It feels like there are only three villains who have the vision to take center stage: Norman, Octavius, and Jackal. And I'm not sure Marvel would want to bother with old Warren because of the stigma the clone saga gets.
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Jul 10, 2017 16:03
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Well, and the Kingpin. Would anyone be upset at all if TV Wilson Fisk migrated to movies? He would need a little bit of retooling but it could be done.
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Jul 10, 2017 16:06
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That's not gonna happen, and he serves the themes of Daredevil better anyway.
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The Spider-Man movies should stay more grounded and character focused, because the Avengers films are going to be much more grand in scope. So I'm fine with the Spidey movies dealing more with villains a step up from normal criminals, but a step below wanting to conquer the city or world or something.
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