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Yeah. I mean looks like the Russians could barely get 120 km from Tierp to Stockholm without making GBS threads themselves and running out of fuel. Just buy airframes and nlaws for 50 gigasek per year and we got this.
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At this rate the military budget might get slashed for being grossly overqualified to deal with the Russian threat.
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Threadkiller Dog posted:Yeah. I mean looks like the Russians could barely get 120 km from Tierp to Stockholm without making GBS threads themselves and running out of fuel. Just buy airframes and nlaws for 50 gigasek per year and we got this. I imagine a 4 km column of Uzbek lorry drivers stuck in mud outside the Markaryd moose safari, and it is glorious.
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zokie posted:My dad got placed at a regiment but was never summoned, because he was a commie. Years later when I had started school he had to do a couple of months as a “ambulance driver”, I guess they figured he was safe once he finished his PhD… So what was "ambulance driver" a euphemism for before ISIS?
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Peak Denmark https://twitter.com/3ivin6/status/1500007048406310915?t=ItDSk7wXLrGkDjJ76FCMVQ&s=19
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MiddleOne posted:Peak Denmark I hope this makes headlines across the world but I'm not expecting much
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jeebus bob posted:I hope this makes headlines across the world but I'm not expecting much
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Given that it is entirely in line with the messaging from the rest of the EU and the US, I doubt it'll make waves. Like, the way Ukraine is described is straight up counter-factual vis-a-vis comparisons to say Iraq, where it is treated as a richer (and thus more worthy) country than Iraq just because it's European. If headlines are gonna be made, it's gonna be about Europe as a whole. Overall I agree with you, but a point can be made that EU is the first stop for Ukrainian refugees so we have a greater responsibility to help them.
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Mar 6, 2022 20:28
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Nenonen posted:Overall I agree with you, but a point can be made that EU is the first stop for Ukrainian refugees so we have a greater responsibility to help them. poland is the first stop. by european rules generally poland is the new lebanon. there's going to be some solidarity here, but my guess is that it's going to fall apart once the number of refugees exceeds four million or so and some european countries feel like they've done their bit
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Hmm, don't a lot of Ukrainians have Visa free travel in the EU anyway, and so can seek asylum anywhere within the 90 days?
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V. Illych L. posted:poland is the first stop. by european rules generally poland is the new lebanon. there's going to be some solidarity here, but my guess is that it's going to fall apart once the number of refugees exceeds four million or so and some european countries feel like they've done their bit Yes, but no one's so cruel as to demand people stay in Poland.
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Nenonen posted:Overall I agree with you, but a point can be made that EU is the first stop for Ukrainian refugees so we have a greater responsibility to help them.
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I'm all for supporting refugees no matter what but I can make a stronger case for supporting Ukrainian refugees. And maybe it'll even work with people who hate immigrants. We've taken a stance in that conflict and are actively supporting one nation against another. Ukraines cause is our cause.
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Nenonen posted:Yes, but no one's so cruel as to demand people stay in Poland. This is why you should have invested in Eastern Poland.
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Considering the amount of guns that Sweden sells to states acting in these major conflicts, I think we're liable to take in refugees everywhere to a high degree.
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i'm all for being generous with refugee policy in this situation. it's a country in our region so it makes sense to loosen the general restrictions (i also think that present refugee policy is way, way too harsh in general). just saying what i think is going to be the result of actual millions of people showing up requesting asylum from the war and whatever bizarro regime follows it
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Gonna see if I can coax the housing company to allow me to house a family from Ukraine in the building. I'm in one of those posh buildings that have a gästlägenhet, and I'm sure that's gonna really gently caress over someone's parents stay over Easter, but, I mean, we got the space, someone could be using it.
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Affi posted:We've taken a stance in that conflict and are actively supporting one nation against another. Ukraines cause is our cause. The same is true for Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria as far as Denmark is concerned and our state actively abuses those who've got this far, to say nothing of the populace. We should welcome Ukranians, but the hypocrisy is palpable.
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Threadkiller Dog posted:Yeah. I mean looks like the Russians could barely get 120 km from Tierp to Stockholm without making GBS threads themselves and running out of fuel. Just buy airframes and nlaws for 50 gigasek per year and we got this. At this point, the Ukraine conflict looks like what a Soviet invasion of Sweden would look like. A lot of logistics columns getting ambushed on smaller roads in Småland, while the main offensive progresses. Also: https://twitter.com/slyndahynda/status/1499839516449910786?s=21
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Love that it seems like the Russians are invading with basically Rakel. Great in many ways but you need infrastructure to use it.
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tegnell is quitting because he got hired by the WHO lmao, that's gonna break a lot of brains
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TheFluff posted:tegnell is quitting because he got hired by the WHO lmao, that's gonna break a lot of brains Not the least in here. But good for him. He’s gonna work with vaccination programs as I read it.
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BigglesSWE posted:Not the least in here. But good for him. He’s gonna work with vaccination programs as I read it. Glad they found a better epidemologist atleast.
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Sweden's also boosting their defence budget to 2% of GDP, which is pretty in line with everyone else. That's nearly double what it was. It's still half of what it was at the peak of the Cold War I guess.
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fnox posted:Sweden's also boosting their defence budget to 2% of GDP, which is pretty in line with everyone else. That's nearly double what it was. It's going to suck balls when the fighting starts over what public good to gut even more in order to finance this poo poo. Taxes?! What a silly concept.
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Potrzebie posted:It's going to suck balls when the fighting starts over what public good to gut even more in order to finance this poo poo. Taxes?! What a silly concept. When the military budget was bigger, it also included vast amounts of emergency medical supplies, equipment, facilities and personnel. Things that really could have come in handy in the past few years. It's not all guns and bullets. In fact, the guns and bullets are usually the last thing they cut.
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Feliday Melody posted:When the military budget was bigger, it also included vast amounts of emergency medical supplies, equipment, facilities and personnel. Back in the day when the connection between taxes and financing public goods was understood? We're not going back there any time soon. I'm not saying 100% of the new military budget will be murder-toys (though I suspect the MIC will make sure most go to Bofors, SAAB and co); I'm just sure that this will never ever be financed by raising taxes (since that is, 100% of the time, theft) Potrzebie fucked around with this message at 11:38 on Mar 10, 2022 |
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Feliday Melody posted:When the military budget was bigger, it also included vast amounts of emergency medical supplies, equipment, facilities and personnel. Potrzebie posted:I'm not saying 100% of the new military budget will be murder-toys (though I suspect the MIC will make sure most go to Bofors, SAAB and co); I'm just sure that this will never ever be financed by raising taxes (since that is, 100% of the time, theft)
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the government debt has been problematically low for years, can just run a deficit for a while to punt on the problem
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evil_bunnY posted:They didn't even encourage mask wearing in sweden, what good are emergency supplies you don't use. A ton of FM's skyddsmask 90 was loaned out to health care workers etc, and did get a lot of use. Same thing with beds, sjvtält, consumables.
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TheFluff posted:the government debt has been problematically low for years, can just run a deficit for a while to punt on the problem Lol if splurging on dumb military poo poo solves our governments awful obsession with minimizing public debt then I might actually be for it.
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COVID is over unless you're 65+, immunocompromised or pregnant.  https://nyheder.tv2.dk/2022-03-10-nu-anbefales-coronatest-kun-i-saerlige-tilfaelde
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I wonder what my chances are of being conscripted if poo poo hits the fan proper. I served from jan-june 1997 in Harstad as a regular gunman, in the "6 months intensive training then straight off to HV" thing that was a new thing then. The year after I got called to Kongsberg to pick up the AG-3, ammo (this was the old rules where you had that poo poo at home) and other equipment. Year after that I got a notice that I was disbanded and had to go and return all that poo poo again when the downsizing happened. I guess I wouldn't be in the first wave of conscriptions lol Can't even find my vernepliktsbok or dog tags any more
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I wonder if all the increased military will finally put an end to the gender discrimination in conscription. It's such a silly thing, but it comes up occasionally as a "women don't have to go to bootcamp" talking point. Of course, the real solution would be not to force anyone into any sort of job or education, including the military, but I'm not optimistic about that...
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Even with conscription in Sweden, no one really has to go to bootcamp. But in case of a war, you could be made to perform duties useful to society.
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BonHair posted:Of course, the real solution would be I keep saying it: Glistrup Doctrine.
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