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Gitro posted:Yeah that all makes sense I guess, it's just he dickwags about having a philosophy PhD at the start and it's hard to believe that someone who ostensibly knows how to construct an argument doesn't realise what he's saying contradicts the point he's making as he's saying it. It's just The recent "rationalist" movement is entirely made up of people too stupid to critically analyze their own beliefs and arguments. Sax Solo posted:The most charitable I can be is that he's talking about gender as an analytical framework, and NOT really the social construct and enforcement side of things where everyone goes in one bucket or the other. He's attacking the idea that we need more words and terminology for non-binary things, instead of just using the words we've got. Why be charitable with these chodes?
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Improbable Lobster posted:The recent "rationalist" movement is entirely made up of people too stupid to critically analyze their own beliefs and arguments. In order to disincentivize bad men from doing the bad things, you need to either reward punishers (to incentivize them to disincentivize the bad men from doing the bad things) or punish nonpunishers (to disincentivize them from failing to disincentivize the bad men from doing the bad things). But rewarding punishers is much cheaper than punishing nonpunishers, because there are much fewer of the former. Although not quite as much cheaper as you might think before you take into account the necessity of punishing nonrewarders of punishers.
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Improbable Lobster posted:The recent "rationalist" movement is entirely made up of people too stupid to critically analyze their own beliefs and arguments. RationalWiki continues to regret picking that name, and a brain for a logo. OTOH having picked the non-shithead side of the skeptical movement schism continues to poo poo these guys up the wall, which remains an endless amusement.
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Gitro posted:The study he picked to support this point displays sex and gender as a loving spectrum. He even says "[there are gradients] of masculine and feminine, it's still a loving binary." But isn't that exactly what a binary system isn't? Am I missing some sort of technical definition? From what I can google and like, knowledge of what the word means, surely a binary system is one in which only two states exist. Like temperature isn't binary, because it's not just hot and cold or 0 or 100, and you wouldn't say pain is binary because something either hurts or doesn't. Regardless, if genders can exist on a spectrum between male and female, why can't that mean there are mid points that are neither definitely male or female, perhaps an expression of gender that does not neatly fall into either category, a 'non-binary' gender, if you will. The comparison to temperature is really good, come to think of it. We all agree that "hot" and "cold" exist, but also that temperature is an actual range. The definition of what hot and cold means varies from person to person, and something hot for you may just be warm to someone else. Likewise, what masculine and feminine means can vary from person to person. We don't physically identify with our perception of temperature but it's not a big leap to see that if something is neither hot nor cold, people can also be something between masculine and feminine. The problem, of course, is convincing people that it's fine for others to not strive for one of the extremes
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Peanut Butler posted:holy poo poo that title It's hilarious and fitting that the official writing style for fiction by Online Rationals has converged on "anime book about loving your sister in an MMO".
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Kit Walker posted:The comparison to temperature is really good, come to think of it. We all agree that "hot" and "cold" exist, but also that temperature is an actual range. The definition of what hot and cold means varies from person to person, and something hot for you may just be warm to someone else. Likewise, what masculine and feminine means can vary from person to person. We don't physically identify with our perception of temperature but it's not a big leap to see that if something is neither hot nor cold, people can also be something between masculine and feminine. The problem is that temperature still undermines his argument as you also have: Freezing, cold chilly, cool, lukewarm, warm, hot, roasting, etc. We do have names for all those in between bits, that guy's a bagel.
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Progs create, reactionaries occupy: Jacobite, most certainly not a copy of any similarly-named commie rag, no no no.quote:The Dirtbag Left have become the cutting-edge of the ruling ideology; the spearhead of the establishment’s ongoing effort to mitigate the damage done by the counterculturalists. They become the primary organ of control, the filter through which alt-right ideas are presented to a wider, more polite audience in order to dissipate their radicalism. Indicative of this is the fact that the Chapo team feel free enough to append their own names to their “controversial” work. The denizens of #frogtwitter, on the other hand, intuitively understand the radicalism inherent to their act of self-positing. The dissenter is distinguished from the faux-dissenter by his genuine worry about being found out just in case you were running short of bottom-of-the-barrel NRx blogs
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Cavelcade posted:The problem is that temperature still undermines his argument as you also have: I think they meant it's a really good comparison in general, to use when talking to other people, not that it's a good argument for this moron.
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May 30, 2017 17:33
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divabot posted:RationalWiki continues to regret picking that name, and a brain for a logo. OTOH having picked the non-shithead side of the skeptical movement schism continues to poo poo these guys up the wall, which remains an endless amusement. Honestly I think it's well worth refusing to surrender the concept of reason to the shithead caucus, so I wouldn't regret it even if it must be annoying.
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Lottery of Babylon posted:In order to disincentivize bad men from doing the bad things, you need to either reward punishers (to incentivize them to disincentivize the bad men from doing the bad things) or punish nonpunishers (to disincentivize them from failing to disincentivize the bad men from doing the bad things). But rewarding punishers is much cheaper than punishing nonpunishers, because there are much fewer of the former. Although not quite as much cheaper as you might think before you take into account the necessity of punishing nonrewarders of punishers. To ensure the future of humanity, it's of paramount importance that we re-organize society to be equal to the challenges and risks which now face us. "Wow, well said. You know, a lot of other people have given this subject a lot of thought and study; I can recommend a few books to give you a good overview of wha..." NO TIME GOTTA JUST POST EVERY GLORIOUS WORD IN MY BRAIN AND HOPE THE WORLD IS WISE ENOUGH TO LISTEN
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divabot posted:Progs create, reactionaries occupy: Jacobite, most certainly not a copy of any similarly-named commie rag, no no no. It still astounds me that the people whose ideology is overrepresented within the government and who control most of the power socially and economically within the country as a whole think they're the counterculture
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ate all the Oreos posted:I think they meant it's a really good comparison in general, to use when talking to other people, not that it's a good argument for this moron. Oh, yeah, I was just talking about the moron who thinks that it is a good argument and that we don't need words for the in between bits when we just have two words already.
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divabot posted:Progs create, reactionaries occupy: Jacobite, most certainly not a copy of any similarly-named commie rag, no no no. Dirtbag left is the whole Chapo thing, right?
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Dirtbag Leftists are people who are mean to liberals on Twitter, as far as I can tell.
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It's people who are cool with weed, but also cool with miscegenation. Just say no, fellow kids.
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ikanreed posted:Dirtbag left is the whole Chapo thing, right? Yes. Baby Babbeh posted:Dirtbag Leftists are people who are mean to liberals on Twitter, as far as I can tell. Kinda.
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May 30, 2017 18:38
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Gitro posted:The study he picked to support this point displays sex and gender as a loving spectrum. He even says "[there are gradients] of masculine and feminine, it's still a loving binary." But isn't that exactly what a binary system isn't? Am I missing some sort of technical definition? From what I can google and like, knowledge of what the word means, surely a binary system is one in which only two states exist. Like temperature isn't binary, because it's not just hot and cold or 0 or 100, and you wouldn't say pain is binary because something either hurts or doesn't. Regardless, if genders can exist on a spectrum between male and female, why can't that mean there are mid points that are neither definitely male or female, perhaps an expression of gender that does not neatly fall into either category, a 'non-binary' gender, if you will. Even in my field, binary logic circuits, you're still dealing with a spectrum of voltages, it's just that you throw in a shitload of what amount to infinity gain amplifiers which resolve everything above a threshold to 1 and everything below to a 0. The value of doing this in digital design is that it helps to be able to reason in binary when you want to build a very, very complicated machine out of billions of logic gates. But human beings are not logic gates.
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Doc Hawkins posted:To ensure the future of humanity, it's of paramount importance that we re-organize society to be equal to the challenges and risks which now face us. My new religion is called the Order of the Transparent Agent. (It's very important to know what your religion is! The reason there are no atheists in foxholes, is because it turns out that there are no atheists, full stop. The God-shaped hole in your head is going to be filled with _something_; you should at least _notice what it is_.) As an adherent of the Order (get it? "order"?), you can do whatever you want as long as you take pains to describe what you think you're doing and why in clear language to other parties who may be affected by your actions. (Note: what constitutes "clear language" depends on your model of the other parties' vocabularies! If you disapprove of the behavior of another member of the Order, you can just say, "Look, I don't like what you're planning and am going to organize a coalition to stop you if you don't quit it." If speaking to a Blue Tribe member, you might want to appeal to the effects on one or more designated victim groups. If speaking to a Red Tribe member, you might want to insinuate that God is watching. Insofar as you feel the need to dominate in zero-sum games, the game you should play is Bayesomasochism: shatter someone's self-aggrandizing narrative and replace it with something more scientifically accurate. This may manifest as what the authorities call a "psychotic break." (I prefer the term "realignment.") THIS IS NOT AN EXCUSE TO IMPRISON SOMEONE UNLESS THEY ACTUALLY COMMIT A CRIME. It's true that not-imprisoning-people does involve a slight risk of them successfully committing suicide. loving DEAL WITH IT PAIN IS A SIGNAL; SUFFERING IS DENIAL OF REALITY STOP LYING
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Lottery of Babylon posted:My new religion is called the Order of the Transparent Agent. (It's very important to know what your religion is! The reason there are no atheists in foxholes, is because it turns out that there are no atheists, full stop. The God-shaped hole in your head is going to be filled with _something_; you should at least _notice what it is_.) How edgy 
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Baby Babbeh posted:Dirtbag Leftists are people who are mean to liberals on Twitter, as far as I can tell. I don't think twitter realizes how easy Arthur Chu is to avoid, or else doesn't realize he's some dude who won on jeopardy and has boring left-centrist opinions and not the secret master of the Democratic Party who needs to be convinced of the rightness of a move left via ceaseless badgering. Like seriously I do it every day just by not following him on twitter, it's so easy. He has no influence on anything and nothing he says matters.
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divabot posted:RationalWiki continues to regret picking that name, and a brain for a logo. OTOH having picked the non-shithead side of the skeptical movement schism continues to poo poo these guys up the wall, which remains an endless amusement. Buy a banner ad already
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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:Anyone who doesn't work in statistics who describes themselves as "Bayesian" should be set on fire. Degree Of Writing-Style Identifiability and the Extent To Which One Has Internet-Followers That Aren't Just One's Literal Friends Are Both Questions That Have Quantitative and In-Principle-Not-Hard-To-Measure Answers That Usually Are Not, In Fact, Measured; Or, the Phrase "Diëreses as Shibboleth" as Shibboleth: a Bayesian Exegesis
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The Vosgian Beast posted:I don't think twitter realizes how easy Arthur Chu is to avoid, or else doesn't realize he's some dude who won on jeopardy and has boring left-centrist opinions and not the secret master of the Democratic Party who needs to be convinced of the rightness of a move left via ceaseless badgering. I don't even know who that is so I guess I'm doing a super good job?
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ate all the Oreos posted:I don't even know who that is so I guess I'm doing a super good job? See, my point exactly 
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Yeah, I love the idea that NORAD somehow has the flight plan for every single plane taking off and landing in the US. And that a plane being in the general area of at least three major airports is super unusual. also, post 9/11 norad has expanded to cover exactly this sort of thing! because it turns out nobody ever thought "jeeze what if someone steals an airplane and uses it as a giant fuckin cruise missile, we should be ready for it" before that, because it's insane
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ikanreed posted:Dirtbag left is the whole Chapo thing, right? it's basically the alt-right but without the racism or fascism its literally the left that exists in counterpoint to the american political left, except that the american political left doesnt court them for votes and actually tuts tuts about people wanting things like higher min wage and universal health care and not being polite to the right
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divabot posted:Progs create, reactionaries occupy: Jacobite, most certainly not a copy of any similarly-named commie rag, no no no. none of this post makes sense and also lmbo at dirtbag left being a tool of the establishment that they actively deride
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:none of this post makes sense and also lmbo at dirtbag left being a tool of the establishment that they actively deride They ostracize me, a cool and hip outsider, therefore they are The Man.
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Doc Hawkins posted:They ostracize me, a cool and hip outsider, therefore they are The Man. how loving stupid do you have to be think the only way to defeat Neoliberalism is outright fascism and racism?
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Race Realists posted:how loving stupid do you have to be think the only way to defeat Neoliberalism is outright fascism and racism? also that the head of the neoliberal establishment spear is people calling neoliberals cum drinking freaks
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The Vosgian Beast posted:I don't think twitter realizes how easy Arthur Chu is to avoid, or else doesn't realize he's some dude who won on jeopardy and has boring left-centrist opinions and not the secret master of the Democratic Party who needs to be convinced of the rightness of a move left via ceaseless badgering. You're trying to leave Scott without handy bad examples! Soon he'll have to hark back to that feminist at college who made him hate feminists again, and this time someone might ask him to specify what the actual thing he did that pissed them off so much in fact was. Lottery of Babylon posted:Degree Of Writing-Style Identifiability and the Extent To Which One Has Internet-Followers That Aren't Just One's Literal Friends Are Both Questions That Have Quantitative and In-Principle-Not-Hard-To-Measure Answers That Usually Are Not, In Fact, Measured; Or, the Phrase "Diëreses as Shibboleth" as Shibboleth: a Bayesian Exegesis loving what.
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divabot posted:loving what. Connie is not helping with our culture's crisis of masculinity Doug is like, "I don't see the serious Action that you do with Steven or your mother does at the hospital; I'm just your useless, silly dad" and Connie is like, "Yeah" Steven is the only useful male character, and even he's an honorary girl
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Lottery of Babylon posted:Connie is not helping with our culture's crisis of masculinity you do this thread a great service, but how do you find this poo poo
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Lottery of Babylon posted:Connie is not helping with our culture's crisis of masculinity Why would an alt-right type spend the time to actually learn about Steven Universe, I'd think the show would be inherently disgusting to them
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:it's basically the alt-right but without the racism or fascism So like a BLT without bacon, lettuce, tomato, or bread?
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divabot posted:you do this thread a great service, but You don't want to know how sausages are made. Just enjoy the taste.
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