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Gwyneth Palpate posted:Hey, at least jabber spies have to, like, change their IP and poo poo. Discord means that if your spy gets got, you just shrug, mailinator another discord account, and get back within an hour. There's some  into Jabber/Mumble spying for sure.I do agree that discord would be a loving nightmare for more than 40 people in a channel. AntherUslessPoster posted:Imagine thinking security is only about being spied in a videogaem Is there even competition for goons at this point? Can't you just roll a d20 for a region, show up, and slap anything that moves (or is anchored) with a massive titan cock?
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To be completely fair, many professionally run discord servers can hold a lot of voice members, in hundreds with decent quality and stability. But again, discord, no cross-channels, no double presence like mumble has (local, shout, global)
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Mumble seems fine, the trouble is that pidgin/Jabber is a terrible interface and the community such as it is is horribly fragmented as a result. Is the Karmafleet discord open to goonwaffe folks?
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Jul 20, 2020 15:51
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Most active this thread has been since the war started and its about loving discord 
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Foehammer007 posted:Most active this thread has been since the war started and its about loving discord Eve wars 2013ish - Present, fought mostly out of game, as is tradition.
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Jul 20, 2020 16:11
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:Yeah, I'll admit that it's pretty far fetched. You'd have to post stuff so flagrantly awful that just possessing the materials to post in the first place is in and of itself a crime. While essentially no well-adjusted people play Eve, the level of depravity to pull that kind of stunt is (mercifully) rare even among Eve players. Honest the counter intel reason may have been valid at one point, but nowadays its a bad argument considering just how easy it is to put a spy char in any alliance.
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Jul 20, 2020 16:28
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Dalael posted:Honest the counter intel reason may have been valid at one point, but nowadays its a bad argument considering just how easy it is to put a spy char in any alliance. That's not how it works.
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Jul 20, 2020 16:46
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Dalael posted:Honest the counter intel reason may have been valid at one point, but nowadays its a bad argument considering just how easy it is to put a spy char in any alliance. Sure, okay. We're still going to stay on Jabber. If somebody don't like it, too fuckin' bad.
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Disclaimer: I have never played EvE at all. All EvE related info I have gotten entirely from 14+ years of EvE threads here. Time for a blast from the past ! Fair warnings/tags: slurs, anime, drugs, SamHandwich, Wyvern, loud music, Rho Squad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WIq9CHEmY0
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Jul 20, 2020 17:08
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MREBoy posted:Disclaimer: I have never played EvE at all. All EvE related info I have gotten entirely from 14+ years of EvE threads here. Still disappointed that the person who had the goonfleet diplomacy primer has taken down that video so now it's lost to the sands of time.
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Jul 20, 2020 17:14
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CainFortea posted:Still disappointed that the person who had the goonfleet diplomacy primer has taken down that video so now it's lost to the sands of time.    It's kind of wierd how in that I'm a file packrat & I posted a copy of that cool tapestry/Prophet Kartoon PDF and it got downloaded like 11,000 times, 99.78% of the refer headers were the then current EvE thread. Sort of like a digital archivist. MREBoy fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Jul 20, 2020 |
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Jul 20, 2020 17:30
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Different video.
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Jul 20, 2020 17:40
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Velius posted:Mumble seems fine, the trouble is that pidgin/Jabber is a terrible interface and the community such as it is is horribly fragmented as a result. Is the Karmafleet discord open to goonwaffe folks? Karmafleet discord is only for karmafleet and friends of karmafleet, so leadership, cliques etc. I don't think people understand when people say they want a discord, its just somewhere for everyone to socially gather. Pings and important space discussion would still have to be on jabber. Like if capswarm stayed on jabber but elysium went to discord, that would be an undeniable improvement. Mumble is definitely always going to be for fleets, but social chats, theta mumble etc would all be improved by discord. Goon leadership is conservatively minded when it comes to this stuff, jabber and mumble has worked for so long, and is so established, its hard to let go. We used teamspeak 2 for so loving long its not funny.
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Jul 20, 2020 17:48
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CainFortea posted:Still disappointed that the person who had the goonfleet diplomacy primer has taken down that video so now it's lost to the sands of time. Was it this one? It's a re-upload. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs_nDw1JQDk
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Jul 20, 2020 17:54
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Loden Taylor posted:Was it this one? It's a re-upload. No, but it was about the same time and events. The one i'm thinking of has one of DBP's 17 page screeds on it.
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After being gone for so long. I feel like a Newbee again. And in someway I'm saddened that the new people don't know certain events. Last night I called someone out on mumble for talking about age of consent. Called the guy BobFromMarketing and no one understood the reference :sad....
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MREBoy posted:Disclaimer: I have never played EvE at all. All EvE related info I have gotten entirely from 14+ years of EvE threads here. ohgod this reeks 2006 (2008 but whateeeeveeeeeeeerrrrrr) what a beautiful time it was Erulisse fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Jul 20, 2020 |
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Jul 20, 2020 19:01
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Snail Information posted:Karmafleet discord is only for karmafleet and friends of karmafleet, so leadership, cliques etc. I don't think people understand when people say they want a discord, its just somewhere for everyone to socially gather. Pings and important space discussion would still have to be on jabber. Like if capswarm stayed on jabber but elysium went to discord, that would be an undeniable improvement. I think this is similar across lots of businesses, and especially governments, both of which EVE groups tend to emulate, either by intent or accident. Once you get to a certain size, you try to avoid upsetting the apple cart for any reason.
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Warmachine posted:I think this is similar across lots of businesses, and especially governments, both of which EVE groups tend to emulate, either by intent or accident. Once you get to a certain size, you try to avoid upsetting the apple cart for any reason. Not really. Ideally, ALL chat would happen on Jabber, as it's easier to monitor and more resilient to fuckery than a flash in the pan Web 2.duh pre-IPO money sink. We want the chat infrastructure to last decades. That being said, there are too many cats to herd perfectly, so they tend to be attracted to the Fortnite chat service for whatever reason.
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Warmachine posted:I think this is similar across lots of businesses, and especially governments, both of which EVE groups tend to emulate, either by intent or accident. Once you get to a certain size, you try to avoid upsetting the apple cart for any reason. Which is why idiots coming in and whining about "The Imperium" *eugh i hate that name* not using Discord for spaceimportant work is hilarious to me. poo poo ain't broke, don't fix it, especially to replace it with some poo poo like Discord.
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Dalael posted:Honest the counter intel reason may have been valid at one point, but nowadays its a bad argument considering just how easy it is to put a spy char in any alliance. That's not really how counter intel works, either in Eve or irl for that matter. It's often not about preventing someone from getting into something: it's about controlling what they see. Here's a simple (and admittedly silly) example. Let's say we know Dalael is a Dirty TEST Spy. We know he's relaying information about market fuckery from gs_isk. So one day, without him knowing, every time someone types "Fernite Carbides" in gs_isk Dalael the Dirty TEST Spy sees "Tungsten Carbides". This message fuckery lasts for all of 6 hours. The TEST marketers make a bunch of bad trades and lose 50 billion ISK. This would be just about impossible to pull off on Discord (at least without breaking some laws), but is relatively simple on an XMPP server we control. And good luck to Dalael the Dirty Spy to figure out what happened. Again, just one example, and I'm sure the Black Hand can think of far more nefarious things.
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:Not really. Ideally, ALL chat would happen on Jabber, as it's easier to monitor and more resilient to fuckery than a flash in the pan Web 2.duh pre-IPO money sink. We want the chat infrastructure to last decades. That being said, there are too many cats to herd perfectly, so they tend to be attracted to the Fortnite chat service for whatever reason. This is kinda what I mean. (That is I mean you're an example of conservative-minded goons being dumb and out of touch) "Discord is too new, too untested, its just a fad, why risk moving over all the social channels when discord might evaporate next week." (I just realised this wouldn't be read as obviously sarcastic) It's stupid and ironically short-sighted, discord is established for a while now and there are lots of big communities that operate there, almost as if it's designed for big communities. For space important business, stay on jabber for your spy poo poo, but the social side should be consolidated, and probably to discord. All the stuff above illum probably isn't even on jabber, its probably still on a skype chat or something stupid like that. Snail Information fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Jul 20, 2020 |
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Snail Information posted:This is kinda what I mean. (That is I mean you're an example of conservative-minded goons being dumb and out of touch) "Discord is too new, too untested, its just a fad, why risk moving over all the social channels when discord might evaporate next week." (I just realised this wouldn't be read as obviously sarcastic) It's stupid and ironically short-sighted, discord is established for a while now and there are lots of big communities that operate there, almost as if it's designed for big communities. For space important business, stay on jabber for your spy poo poo, but the social side should be consolidated, and probably to discord. All the stuff above illum probably isn't even on jabber, its probably still on a skype chat or something stupid like that. Ok Zoomer. Non sarcastic answer, as stated up thread there are very real and very good reasons to put everything on Jabber. One of the neat things I was taught in real intel poo poo was that you can put damaging information together from a bunch of disparate information that may not be damaging on its own. Controlling what someone sees allows you to interrupt that OSINT capability by feeding them bad information. People in social groups don't magically not post opsec poo poo in Discord, I'd wager that Karmafleet Discord is a great source of intel for spies, because you cannot control the information that a spy has access to (i.e. replacing "fernite carbide" with "tungsten carbide" in someone's jabber client, this could also be used to spoof move ops, and midpoints/staging information) orange juche fucked around with this message at 22:02 on Jul 20, 2020 |
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Snail Information posted:This is kinda what I mean. (That is I mean you're an example of conservative-minded goons being dumb and out of touch) "Discord is too new, too untested, its just a fad, why risk moving over all the social channels when discord might evaporate next week." (I just realised this wouldn't be read as obviously sarcastic) It's stupid and ironically short-sighted, discord is established for a while now and there are lots of big communities that operate there, almost as if it's designed for big communities. For space important business, stay on jabber for your spy poo poo, but the social side should be consolidated, and probably to discord. All the stuff above illum probably isn't even on jabber, its probably still on a skype chat or something stupid like that. Nah
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Snail Information posted:This is kinda what I mean. (That is I mean you're an example of conservative-minded goons being dumb and out of touch) "Discord is too new, too untested, its just a fad, why risk moving over all the social channels when discord might evaporate next week." (I just realised this wouldn't be read as obviously sarcastic) It's stupid and ironically short-sighted, discord is established for a while now and there are lots of big communities that operate there, almost as if it's designed for big communities. For space important business, stay on jabber for your spy poo poo, but the social side should be consolidated, and probably to discord. All the stuff above illum probably isn't even on jabber, its probably still on a skype chat or something stupid like that. Read what I posted again.
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hey I'm still banned from delve.imperium in game let me (KoaTheCat) back in. Also, coming from a complete novice to all things cooperative video games, the weird system you guys have set up works super well even though it has a steep learning curve and a bunch of old software
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Ynglaur posted:That's not really how counter intel works, either in Eve or irl for that matter. It's often not about preventing someone from getting into something: it's about controlling what they see. Oooh... That's cool. That's something i had no idea about.
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Dalael posted:Oooh... That's cool. That's something i had no idea about. Yeah you can do neat serverside filtering of words by IP address, so if you have a suspected spy and you pull their IP from the server log, you can then basically filter/replace what they see in their Jabber client so that they're breathlessly reporting back bullshit intel to their buddies.
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It also makes it much easier to use a barium enema (basically : see who reports incorrect intel . Bam, there's your spy.)
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Stereotype posted:just be social here on the something awful forums like a normal goon 
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orange juche posted:People in social groups don't magically not post opsec poo poo in Discord, I'd wager that Karmafleet Discord is a great source of intel for spies, because you cannot control the information that a spy has access to (i.e. replacing "fernite carbide" with "tungsten carbide" in someone's jabber client, this could also be used to spoof move ops, and midpoints/staging information) You know you can correlate whatever 'intel' you've intercepted about a move op with the in-game map, right? (and previously with the contact list,  ) You can then later verify whatever system whomever you're spying on went to by simply checking DOTLAN, being secret squirrel about MoveOps is usually a waste of time.Anyone well versed in capitals will have a pretty good idea where you're going anyway. Not that there are many people actually equipped to intercept a moveop without taking huge losses themselves, factoring in Citadels it's mostly just a waste of time to even bother trying to mess with a larger alliance who's going to goonroad their way from a-to-b anyway. Xolve fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Jul 21, 2020 |
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Ynglaur posted:It also makes it much easier to use a barium enema (basically : see who reports incorrect intel . Bam, there's your spy.) I thought barium for X-rays is administered orally. I'm not a doctor though.
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orange juche posted:I thought barium for X-rays is administered orally. I'm not a doctor though. Depends on anatomy of interest/severity
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who here knows the secret ~true goon~ in game channel
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Xolve posted:Depends on anatomy of interest/severity barium meal is in the face butt barium enema is in the south butt
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orange juche posted:I thought barium for X-rays is administered orally. I'm not a doctor though. I'll admit I picked up the term from reading Red Sparrow. I am not in intel irl. Fun book, btw.
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Ynglaur posted:I'll admit I picked up the term from reading Red Sparrow. I am not in intel irl. Fun book, btw. Its neat to see how real life CI tricks work in EVE too. I didn't even catch on to the idea of dropping poo poo intel to a suspected spy and them seeing if it leaks as confirmation, that's smart, and it's also IIRC how I think some aerospace companies combated IP theft of their aircraft designs in recent decades. orange juche fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Jul 21, 2020 |
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Some neckbeards on /r/eve are saying CVA is disbanding, anyone hear any more about this?
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It always rubbed me the wrong way that it was the space catholic slaver roleplaying alliance was basically the only RP group that held space, so good riddance if true
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