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Although I'm enjoying the game I think it's pretty poo poo that there's no breadcrumb quests for really important things like the Challenge Log or the Gold Saucer. Why did I have to wiki it to find out that I'd missed them?
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Taear posted:Although I'm enjoying the game I think it's pretty poo poo that there's no breadcrumb quests for really important things like the Challenge Log or the Gold Saucer. Why did I have to wiki it to find out that I'd missed them? because they were launched in increments expecting you to have cleared out every quest already between their launches, leaving you with a single quest icon on the map that you went after when they were released
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Sep 22, 2015 14:41
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Failboattootoot posted:Dravanian Hinterlands was my favorite zone. I liked everything about it, particularly how it wasn't a giant pain to get around in on a ground mount. You have to load twice to get to the other side if you're on a ground mount. I like the zone too, but I made it a priority to get flying unlocked there ASAP because it was terrible to get around otherwise.
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Sep 22, 2015 14:53
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Taear posted:Although I'm enjoying the game I think it's pretty poo poo that there's no breadcrumb quests for really important things like the Challenge Log or the Gold Saucer. Why did I have to wiki it to find out that I'd missed them? I managed to stumble upon the breadcrumb for the Gold Saucer because my starting city was Ul'dah (although maybe there's breadcrumbs elsewhere?) - one thing I kinda wish they'd make a bit more obvious is if a quest is a part of a line that unlocks something important or not. Although it seems like quests that unlock things usually have like that full visual banner, there's a whole bunch of quests that have those, but don't unlock stuff.
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Sep 22, 2015 15:23
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Oxyclean posted:I managed to stumble upon the breadcrumb for the Gold Saucer because my starting city was Ul'dah (although maybe there's breadcrumbs elsewhere?) - one thing I kinda wish they'd make a bit more obvious is if a quest is a part of a line that unlocks something important or not. Although it seems like quests that unlock things usually have like that full visual banner, there's a whole bunch of quests that have those, but don't unlock stuff. I didn't know that the Challenge Log existed until I was almost level 30 because I started in Gridania. If it wasn't for a helpful post from earlier in the thread I still probably wouldn't know what it is.
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Sep 22, 2015 16:00
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Do all your quests and you won't have these problems.
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Sep 22, 2015 16:08
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IcePhoenix posted:I didn't know that the Challenge Log existed until I was almost level 30 because I started in Gridania. If it wasn't for a helpful post from earlier in the thread I still probably wouldn't know what it is. Yeah, I would have missed it too if I wasn't following that guide linked in the OP that tells you what level stuff unlocks. Seems like a very odd thing to have to unlock. Is there any word on how the 3.1 relics will work, and to what degree the old level 50 relics will factor in?
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Sep 22, 2015 16:09
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Whizbang posted:Do all your quests and you won't have these problems. Once I outlevel something by 2 or so I leave it behind so that when I'm leveling a new class I don't have to rely on leves, fates, and dungeons because I'm pretty sure I would kill myself if I had to grind up a class that way. There are a lot of quests that get left behind because of this.
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Sep 22, 2015 16:12
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Armory Bonus makes up for that, but it's still not a bad idea to leave a few. A change of pace is always nice.
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Sep 22, 2015 16:14
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IcePhoenix posted:Once I outlevel something by 2 or so I leave it behind so that when I'm leveling a new class I don't have to rely on leves, fates, and dungeons because I'm pretty sure I would kill myself if I had to grind up a class that way. That's stupid because quests don't get the armory bonus. The devs put all those quests there for a reason, you aren't smarter than them.
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Sep 22, 2015 16:14
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At some point they're just going to drop a feature that informs you of systems you haven't unlocked more clearly as part of QoL changes, probably. It's the kind of thing they've done before.Oxyclean posted:Yeah, I would have missed it too if I wasn't following that guide linked in the OP that tells you what level stuff unlocks. Seems like a very odd thing to have to unlock. Nope. I have my educated guess that the stats from Novus will somehow carry over but there's no way we'll know what it entails until the server is down because it would gently caress with a lot of things. Edit: Also note that the new exploration missions drop Aetherial gear, and they made a point of saying it's a place you can spiritbond gear. Gil on a tomestone that it starts out with needing to bind some Materia V to pick your stats (and I-IV if you don't already have a Zeta) probably with an alexandrite-like reagent you get from running 24-person raids. This is my prediction for how Relic II will start. Boten Anna fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Sep 22, 2015 |
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Sep 22, 2015 16:20
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Whizbang posted:That's stupid because quests don't get the armory bonus. The devs put all those quests there for a reason, you aren't smarter than them. Who says I'm trying to outsmart the devs? I still have to kill stuff while I do most of the quests. There will still be random fates in the areas where I'm collecting bear asses.
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Sep 22, 2015 16:30
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Whizbang posted:That's stupid because quests don't get the armory bonus. The devs put all those quests there for a reason, you aren't smarter than them. Then why are there more quests then you'll ever need in some level ranges? I wish quests got the armory bonus or there was some way to get them as alts. I can't say I really enjoy fate grinding or leves. Leves just feel like quests but worse in every way except maybe the XP.
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Sep 22, 2015 16:34
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From 1-50 its because they boosted exp from other sources. Dungeons got a big boost post launch and the introduction of daily leveling roulette also helped a lot. Heavensward ramped pre-50 story quest exp as well from what I remembered. Post 50 the reason is that you are going to need that exp buffer for when you get around 57-59. The story quests ramp up the levels very fast in this range and unless you have a healthy buffer you'll have to start rolling dungeons or finishing all the quests to get to them quickly.
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Sep 22, 2015 17:00
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Yeah, I plan to finish up all my level 22 quests once I hit the 57 wall
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Sep 22, 2015 17:05
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After being incredibly disappointed in Warlords of Draenor, I'm thinking of getting back into the game after playing a bit post-launch, but not really getting too far since my friends passed me up (I stopped around Garuda). Will it be much of a difference nowadays? I played Thaumaturge/Black Mage before, and I'm thinking of Archer/Bard, since I want to start sort of fresh. I forget nearly everything about this game, so I'm pretty much a newbie again. I'm also really in no rush to get to max level and endgame content. Is the community of the game still the same sort of tolerable in not being complete assholes like most MMOs (but not tolerable enough to let you watch cutscenes in dungeons)?
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Sep 22, 2015 17:16
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The lack of a substantial endgame is starting to get to me, I'm actually playing other games again. Fortunately I still have a bunch of 2.x stuff that I can do while waiting for the next patch, although it's a bummer that we won't see that until November.
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Sep 22, 2015 17:27
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Colgate posted:After being incredibly disappointed in Warlords of Draenor, I'm thinking of getting back into the game after playing a bit post-launch, but not really getting too far since my friends passed me up (I stopped around Garuda). Will it be much of a difference nowadays? I played Thaumaturge/Black Mage before, and I'm thinking of Archer/Bard, since I want to start sort of fresh. I forget nearly everything about this game, so I'm pretty much a newbie again. I'm also really in no rush to get to max level and endgame content. It's a good thing you're not in a hurry, because end-game is a pretty long ways off if you're not even level 50 yet. The community is kind of smallish atm, since we're in that patch-cycle lull, but I'd say it's fine, especially if you're on excal. Other servers I can't speak for but I imagine they are fine, too. FF14 has it's dicks like all communities, but in general they aren't too bad about it. Just the other day I was doing a leveling roulette dungeon with 3 level synced characters and a struggling newbie scholar. Despite the synced players obviously wanting to speedrun to get the dungeon over-with, everyone slowed down to give advice and help the scholar get the hang of things and learn how to do the job effectively.
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Sep 22, 2015 17:29
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IcePhoenix posted:I didn't know that the Challenge Log existed until I was almost level 30 because I started in Gridania. If it wasn't for a helpful post from earlier in the thread I still probably wouldn't know what it is. They probably figured that by putting an important level 15 side quest ten feet away from the level 15 main story quest in Limsa that people would compulsively pick it up (same with the quest to unlock dyeing in Vesper Bay). Of course not everybody picks up every quest just because they can, so people can and do miss these.
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Sep 22, 2015 17:45
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Thankfully I'm busy outside of the game, but I can definitely see how people could be disappointed with the current endgame. I basically only log in for an hour or so each day to cap Esoterics, find some time to get my Alex drops for alts, then call it a week. Since Relics are useless outside of glamour now and way too much effort for that, even if I had more time to play the only thing I'd be doing with it is more pony farming of old primals. Three more to go for Kirin. I'm really not looking forward to another Novus step though, if they end up adding one. I don't have the money for that.  But I do hope Zeta-havers get some kind of advantage on Relic II, especially since I'll still be in school for another month after 3.1 drops.
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Sep 22, 2015 19:11
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I'm pretty happy with the amount of content in 3.0. There might not be much for me to do right now, but that's because I've done nearly everything. And there was a LOT to do. I don't need to play the game 24/7 to be satisfied, and seriously lmao if you do. If you're not having fun, take a break.
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Sep 22, 2015 19:22
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Seriously Heavensward was a real good Co-Op JRPG up till now. Just doing the MSQ is worth at least a month's subscription.
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Sep 22, 2015 20:27
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For people like me who don't log even a full 4 hours a night average playing, the pacing is fine, I still have crafts to level, eso to gather for my class I plan to go into 3.1 with and fiddling with other games inbetween. Generally I'm a pretty good measure of where the average idiot who doesn't know what they're doing is at and I'm at 4 pieces of ESO gear including 2 weapons and 3.1 will come out with about the right timing for me to feel on track for doing a relic II or something.
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Sep 22, 2015 20:57
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Fister Roboto posted:I'm pretty happy with the amount of content in 3.0. There might not be much for me to do right now, but that's because I've done nearly everything. And there was a LOT to do. I don't need to play the game 24/7 to be satisfied, and seriously lmao if you do. If you're not having fun, take a break. I'm in this boat right now, though my group is getting further in Savage Alexander every week we attempt it so I feel we're making progress despite the extreme, brutally unforgiving difficulty. They could've handled the gear progression better, I don't disagree with that, but it's still a fun game.
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Magil Zeal posted:I'm in this boat right now, though my group is getting further in Savage Alexander every week we attempt it so I feel we're making progress despite the extreme, brutally unforgiving difficulty. A3s or lower? If you aren't talking about A3 or A4 savage then you haven't even hit the brutally unforgiving difficulty lmao. Whizbang posted:That's stupid because quests don't get the armory bonus. The devs put all those quests there for a reason, you aren't smarter than them. What about people who started in 2.0 and quit during 2.1 and came back in 2.5? How would they know about the golden saucer? Because during the 2.0 release it was better exp to fate grind to 50.
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Sep 22, 2015 21:02
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Holyshoot posted:A3s or lower? If you aren't talking about A3 or A4 savage then you haven't even hit the brutally unforgiving difficulty lmao. Perhaps the big HEY THERE'S A GOLD SAUCER NOW banner on the launcher every day during 2.5?
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Sep 22, 2015 21:16
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kafziel posted:Perhaps the big HEY THERE'S A GOLD SAUCER NOW banner on the launcher every day during 2.5? Shhh you're ruining the narrative
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Sep 22, 2015 22:52
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kharaa posted:Shhh you're ruining the narrative I mean, they're not wrong that while it was really easy to unlock those things if you were playing when the patch dropped, the systems and things you have to unlock that are non-MSQ are starting to get pretty obfuscated. I do think they'll eventually have something in-game that points people toward those things, though.
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Sep 22, 2015 23:01
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There already is, it's the recommendations window. By default it pops up whenever you enter a new zone and it will show you all the available quests there, among other things. Seriously, do every quest.
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Sep 22, 2015 23:09
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Wind up minfilia uses a linkshell to tell you when you've unlocked a new feature.
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Sep 22, 2015 23:11
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suffering from the questies is an ailment you should try to cure this is when you no longer can see zone maps because of all the quest icons btw
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Sep 22, 2015 23:16
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Fister Roboto posted:There already is, it's the recommendations window. By default it pops up whenever you enter a new zone and it will show you all the available quests there, among other things. It is not by default. I had to turn this on specifically.
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Sep 22, 2015 23:20
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RuanGacho posted:Wind up minfilia uses a linkshell to tell you when you've unlocked a new feature. I think she tells you to pray, return to the waking sands and then explains the feature upon arrival.
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Sep 22, 2015 23:24
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Leal posted:I think she tells you to pray, return to the waking sands and then explains the feature upon arrival. The feature will be further explained by elaborately named moogles you have to look behind the current scion bases furniture for.
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Sep 22, 2015 23:31
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Honestly they should give the quests that unlock these kind of features a unique icon, not unlike the ones for new classes, or the MSQ icon. I can't imagine that being too difficult to implement.
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Sep 22, 2015 23:32
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IcePhoenix posted:I didn't know that the Challenge Log existed until I was almost level 30 because I started in Gridania. If it wasn't for a helpful post from earlier in the thread I still probably wouldn't know what it is. I'm 40 and I thought the challenge log and gold saucer were things that'd unlock at end game. APPARENTLY NOT  e: poo poo and there's two dungeons I haven't unlocked cause they were side quests.
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Sep 22, 2015 23:36
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Unlockables up to 50. http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Guide:Progression_and_Level_Locked_Content Not sure if something similar exists for HW content.
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Sep 22, 2015 23:43
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Sarrisan posted:Unlockables up to 50. There is, yes. Pretty much the exact same URL except with "Heavensward" in it. Also it's linked as a "were you looking for" at the top of the original guide, and vice versa. http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Guide:Heavensward_Progression_and_Level_Locked_Content
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Sep 22, 2015 23:46
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Holyshoot posted:A3s or lower? If you aren't talking about A3 or A4 savage then you haven't even hit the brutally unforgiving difficulty lmao. A3S, Living Liquid. We're getting further every time we go in.
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I missed like every optional dungeon because I significantly outleveled, and so did not take, the quests that opened them. I never figured out why my gear was so inadequate when it was always better than whatever quests were giving me.RuanGacho posted:Wind up minfilia uses a linkshell to tell you when you've unlocked a new feature. I have no idea what you're talking about. I think I missed this feature. I only ever got linkshelled for plot stuff.
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