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Duzzy Funlop posted:I was really into the secret of Caliban and how the planet's warp taint was woven into the stories, but then it was somehow completely abandoned. See now that could be interesting. But then an interesting idea for the dark angels gets abandoned. I actually did try reading one of Graham McNeal s books and one of the character s actually realizes how dumb the dark angels thing is.
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Relevant Tangent posted:The Imperium is correct though, ya git. The people who do that irl aren't. Arcsquad12 posted:I thought that was Sandy Mitchell's story in the first Sabbat Worlds anthology. euphronius posted:I didn't disagree with you at all lol. I just said it's not allegory. There is definite satire though as you mention
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I could be mixing up stories as well. Looking back I think the Sandy Mitchell story was about an administration adept working in the reconstruction of vervunhive when he finds out one of his coworkers had been stealing supplies to give to homeless survivors of the battle.
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Arcsquad12 posted:I could be mixing up stories as well. Looking back I think the Sandy Mitchell story was about an administration adept working in the reconstruction of vervunhive when he finds out one of his coworkers had been stealing supplies to give to homeless survivors of the battle. The one that's an entire rip-off of The Third Man posing as an 'homage'?
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Jun 9, 2017 22:06
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To be fair, it's both GW and also so long ago that I might be remembering "it was a dude in an office" and then constructing the whole thing from whatever seems most plausible to my brain.
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Jun 9, 2017 22:08
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A dude in an office who goes out at night stealing underhive babies so he can blender them into rejuv drugs for upper class clients?
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Jun 9, 2017 22:24
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Once we figure out which story actually exists we should write all the ones that don't.
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MariusLecter posted:A dude in an office who goes out at night stealing underhive babies so he can blender them into rejuv drugs for upper class clients? Adding to this, a young adeptus arbite with everything to prove tracks him down but he has permits and licensed to harvest babies for rejuv drugs. Case closed.
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Oh neat, 111 new posts in the Black Library thread. Something awesome must have happened in the fluff! Genderchat/biotruths  Seriously though: The target market is 99.9% white males The setting was created by nerds in the 80s 95% of the setting is about blowing people/xenos/planets/spaceships/poo poo up The Emperor was born in the Middle East in the Bronze Age There are lots of good reasons and venues to argue for increased inclusivity in this hosed-up world of ours, but Warhammer 40k is probably not the hill you want to die on for it
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The Emperor made Spacemarines strong and immune to witches lies, just like himself.
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Jun 10, 2017 18:56
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lol at the Grogs trotting out Thermian Arguments left right and centre like that excuses the lack of female/minority representation. Let me tell you something. Every time a woman walks into the store I work in and expresses interest into getting into Warhams, there's always an awkward moment in the conversation when the point that GW's representation sucks balls is blatently obvious, and about 50% of the time that usually leads to them leaving empty-handed. GW's stubborn insistence to continue to boys-club their settings is actively harmful to their profits, and beyond everything else is just embarassing in tyool 2017. Seriously, what does it matter to you if suddenly a few female head options appear on a Marine spruce, or a few female pronouns get chucked into the lore dumps. Nerds are weak.
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It's not canon! Literally though. Emp's didn't even consider implanting gene seeds into women. Do you really get mad and adjust your man-bun when ladies walk in, scoff, then lament how there are no female orks or something? Is the fact that the whole Eldar race is primarily female, and most of the power players in that faction are women? Are the SoBs and SoS not enough, or are we talking you want women space marines? I mean, if you sell warhams in a shop, just shut up and ask them if they want to play orks, necrons, tau, chaos, or any other army because who cares its all made up. If they want their space woofs to be girls they can make it so because the models all have helmets on. uncle w benefits fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Jun 10, 2017 |
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Jun 10, 2017 20:19
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i believe bolters identify as female and they resent the constant manipulation of their bodies by the hands of a patriarchal society, but also resent in a more granular way the actual hands of the all male marines on their mechanisms much like males engage in deceptive pracitces to get females to sleep with them. I also believe that the bullets/bolts the bolters shootvrepresent babies and wasted lives, thrown into the grinder that is the grim dark future where there is only war, their lives spent like so many bullets to ensure the patriarchal rule of the emperor is never challeneged. lets discuss this for the next 10 pages go Waroduce fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Jun 10, 2017 |
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Jun 10, 2017 20:45
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Uncle w Benefits posted:It's not canon! Answer my question, what the hell do you lose from the setting by letting Marines be women. Waroduce posted:i believe bolters identify as female and they resent the constant manipulation of their bodies by the hands of a patriarchal society, but also resent in a more granular way the actual hands of the all male marines on their mechanisms much like males engage in deceptive pracitces to get females to sleep with them. I also believe that the bullets/bolts the bolters shootvrepresent babies and wasted lives, thrown into the grinder that is the grim dark future where there is only war, their lives spent like so many bullets to ensure the patriarchal rule of the emperor is never challeneged. You as well.
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SteelMentor posted:Answer my question, what the hell do you lose from the setting by letting Marines be women. The mockery. Warhams was meant to be satire, ripping into the ridiculous slabjaw beefchest SPESS MUHRINE EMPRAH EMPRAH UNF stereotype. You add women to that, you're treating it dangerously like legitimate fiction. Admittedly, modern 40k has been drifting in that direction, so whatever.
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SteelMentor posted:Answer my question, what the hell do you lose from the setting by letting Marines be women. I really don't know. They'd be identical in appearance to the male marines when in armor. Probably just as emotionally stunted since they'd probably be selected for implantation at or just before puberty, unless they took into account girls hit puberty sooner than boys, but whatever. I guess at the end of the day you get meat for the emperors grinder.
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I don't think the goon belief that warhammer exists on the 80's irony/satire spectrum is a legitimate excuse for the models not having much female representation, dude. Having a slightly incredulous chuckle here at the number of goons with all their supremely reasonable and totally legitimate reasons for how female space marines are actually real bad for the setting itself and women should just embrace that.
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I don't care if it happens, I was just stating some reasons that it probably won't.
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Well, the reason it won't and there will never be significantly improved representation of the Sororitas or women in the Inquisition, Imperial Guard, Imperial Navy and the like (or any xenos race) is because it's GW and their stats probably tell them that women are a tiny minority of the people who buy their action figures.
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Biplane posted:I don't think the goon belief that warhammer exists on the 80's irony/satire spectrum is a legitimate excuse for the models not having much female representation, dude. haha where are some examples? Arquinsiel posted:You've heard words like "metaphor" and "allegory" before, right? Could it be, I dunno, just gonna throw this out there, that 'purge the xenos' means purge the alien, mutant, and heretic, and nothing else? It's the 40k universe. Not everything has to be dragged kicking and screaming through a stupid SJW allegory. Stop trying to inject racism/race arguments into everything guys. It's idiotic 
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Jun 10, 2017 22:35
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Having female space marines would be neat. The eventual female space marine falls to the corrupting influence of slaneesh story would not though. Still would be worth the good stories though.
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A slopply done canon rewrite done on normal space marines is by the very definition bad for the setting since we all know gw would do it sloppily and it would be blatant lip service. Simply put it would not be done well.The argument for power physical female figures is a valid one which is why people have said that more emphasis should be placed on SOB/SOS the settings in universe equivalent to female space marines. Most of us are arguing that the mechanism and canon for female representation are their they are just heavily underutilized. Which is a problem. Changing something that is ground in canon for years instead of using SOBs more is a stupid move for both in and out of universe reasons. The Iron rose proposal to have that done with primaris marines works too, they are new and not super ground in canon and there is enough leeway for how they are made for it to work.
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Cop Porn Popper posted:Having female space marines would be neat. The eventual female space marine falls to the corrupting influence of slaneesh story would not though. Still would be worth the good stories though. You know exactly why it wouldn't be and that reason is extremely stupid and  inducing.Telsa Cola posted:A slopply done canon rewrite done on normal space marines is by the very definition bad for the setting since we all know gw would do it sloppily and it would be blatant lip service. Simply put it would not be done well.The argument for power physical female figures is a valid one which is why people have said that more emphasis should be placed on SOB/SOS the settings in universe equivalent to female space marines. Most of us are arguing that the mechanism and canon for female representation are their they are just heavily underutilized. Which is a problem. Yea. It's pretty disingenuous to say that 40K doesn't have good female representation. SoBs, SoSs, a ton of the Inquisition, M'Shen killed a primarch, null maidens etc. Women are all over the 40K universe and are even dug in shoulder to shoulder with some legions, and even primarchs, but they're underutilized. If GW wants to polish its image, begin to utilize those assets more. SteelMentor posted:What would be those reasons then? Any reason that the male chapters have fallen to chaos for the last 10,000 years? Greed, lust for power, battle, conquest, pleasures, or just running amok for yourself? Women can have base ambitions too. ALthough, dopes would invent any number of stupid reasons to nitpick any woman chapter falling to any chaos god. Khorne = blood for the BLOOD GOD?!?! Oh sure, why, because they have menstrual cycles?!? Tzeentch = the changer of ways? Puh-leeze, sexist. Are you trying to imply that women can never make up their minds about anything, and are always flip flopping and manipulative and conniving? Schemers? Slaanesh = more pandering to the male lesbian orgy fantasy Nurgle = women get dejectedly hopeless after being scorned by their crush in the Crimson Fists. The topic is so loaded in this one small fictional universe it would have to be done with the utmost of care. uncle w benefits fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Jun 10, 2017 |
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Telsa Cola posted:
What would be those reasons then?
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Can you guys please talk about books instead of this poo poo I normally really enjoy this thread
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I blame an alpha legion infiltrator.
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Ya'll are really angry over what vestigial reproductive organs your Nietzschen ubermensch have between their knees in a fantasy world that exists to sell little pieces of plastic/metal. "But but but... Muh canon  ". Harden up ya big wusbags.
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And thus, the Social Justice Warriors Chapter of the Adeptus Astartes was created.
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I am sorry I just get so frustrated waiting for Warmaster
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Cop Porn Popper posted:Ya'll are really angry over what vestigial reproductive organs your Nietzschen ubermensch have between their knees in a fantasy world that exists to sell little pieces of plastic/metal. "But but but... Muh canon It would dangle between their knees, for sure.
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Uncle w Benefits posted:It would dangle between their knees, for sure. Man, that's a long clitoris you're imagining there
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Libluini posted:Man, that's a long clitoris you're imagining there Gene seed mutation or working as intended?
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MariusLecter posted:Gene seed mutation or working as intended? Physiologically speaking, that more or less is what a penis boils down to. The basic human template is female, after all. Masculine attributes only potentially set in later.
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I'm home sick tonight so I'm going to take the plunge and read the Space Sharks book "Red Tithe". I've never read anything by this Robbie Macniven guy so I don't expect anything good but maybe I'll be surprised. I'll report back later.
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Update One: The summary reveals that the story takes place on a planet named "Zartak". The book is already irredeemably stupid.
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Libluini posted:Man, that's a long clitoris you're imagining there Have you seen female body builders? Clit enlargement is for real and can get loving nassssstay
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Hustlin Floh posted:I'm home sick tonight so I'm going to take the plunge and read the Space Sharks book "Red Tithe". I've never read anything by this Robbie Macniven guy so I don't expect anything good but maybe I'll be surprised. I'll report back later. It's bolter porn but it's solid bolter porn. Worth a read imo.
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Please don't make me close this thread, tia
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I don't know how the setting treats artificial child rearing, but I can forgive it if it's never been considered. Artificial wombs have only recently been proven viable with a lamb. So that's at least one path to justifying either side of the argument, depending on how you look at it. Otherwise risking an untold number of potential moms just for a miniscule chance they get to be hulked out warriors is dumb for a make-believe future that treats humans as the one resource they do get to waste without much worry. Other than that, don't really care. It's such a minor thing that really doesn't deserve this much debate. Especially when you remember all the other poo poo that's been added and removed and treated like that's always been the case.
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