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Alter Ego posted:Politico REALLY hates Joe Biden. I think the vice president is technically unimpeachable seeing as how he would have to preside over his own impeachment. Oh and guess who's at it again!
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His biggest mistakes being voting for the Iraq war, and flubbing the Thomas confirmation hearings when he was not ready to head that committee yet.
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Jan 25, 2013 18:06
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ufarn posted:Looks like Benghazi is going to be Hillary's truther bullshit issue, if she runs in the primary. Truthers have no point, Hillary was the head of the state department when Benghazi happened, and she dropped the ball. Four people died. I think you all are drinking the cool-aid if you believe this won't tank her chances at a 2016 general election victory. There's also the little part of her lying to Rand Paul about the US getting weapons to Syrian rebels through Turkey. Any response other than 'No.' strongly indicates a lie. Imagine the commercials using footage from that hearing and kiss a Hillary 2016 victory good-bye.
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Jan 25, 2013 18:21
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Space Monster posted:Truthers have no point, Hillary was the head of the state department when Benghazi happened, and she dropped the ball. Four people died. I think you all are drinking the cool-aid if you believe this won't tank her chances at a 2016 general election victory. There's also the little part of her lying to Rand Paul about the US getting weapons to Syrian rebels through Turkey. Any response other than 'No.' strongly indicates a lie.
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Jan 25, 2013 18:26
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Space Monster posted:I think you all are drinking the cool-aid if you believe this won't tank her chances at a 2016 general election victory. Flavor Aid. Also I think, when it comes down to it, unfortunately, nobody really cares about the deaths of a few State Department diplomats--least of all Republicans, despite their simulated rage.
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Jan 25, 2013 18:28
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Space Monster posted:Truthers have no point, Hillary was the head of the state department when Benghazi happened, and she dropped the ball. Four people died. I think you all are drinking the cool-aid if you believe this won't tank her chances at a 2016 general election victory. There's also the little part of her lying to Rand Paul about the US getting weapons to Syrian rebels through Turkey. Any response other than 'No.' strongly indicates a lie. The dawning GOP terror in 2016 is going to be delicious.
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Jan 25, 2013 18:29
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Space Monster posted:Truthers have no point, Hillary was the head of the state department when Benghazi happened, and she dropped the ball. Four people died. I think you all are drinking the cool-aid if you believe this won't tank her chances at a 2016 general election victory. There's also the little part of her lying to Rand Paul about the US getting weapons to Syrian rebels through Turkey. Any response other than 'No.' strongly indicates a lie. That massive deluge of Benghazi attack ads sure tanked Obama's presidential campaign. (Seriously, no one cares about Benghazi just like no one cared about Solyndra or Fast and Furious. It's just another failed GOP attempt to manufacture a scandal.)
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Jan 25, 2013 18:33
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Space Monster posted:Truthers have no point, Hillary was the head of the state department when Benghazi happened, and she dropped the ball. Four people died. I think you all are drinking the cool-aid if you believe this won't tank her chances at a 2016 general election victory. There's also the little part of her lying to Rand Paul about the US getting weapons to Syrian rebels through Turkey. Any response other than 'No.' strongly indicates a lie. I'm just going to take a stab in the dark here and say that you don't think Colin Powell should have lost his job after 9/11.
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Space Monster posted:Truthers have no point, Hillary was the head of the state department when Benghazi happened, and she dropped the ball. Four people died. I think you all are drinking the cool-aid if you believe this won't tank her chances at a 2016 general election victory. There's also the little part of her lying to Rand Paul about the US getting weapons to Syrian rebels through Turkey. Any response other than 'No.' strongly indicates a lie. How did she drop the ball?
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Jan 25, 2013 18:44
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Well come on guys, she was the Secretary of State at the time of the Benghazi incident, therefore
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the2ndgenesis posted:Well come on guys, she was the Secretary of State at the time of the Benghazi incident, therefore Clearly she should have used her powers to read the minds of terrorist extremists so that she would know when and where they would strike. Failure to do so was nothing short of dereliction of duty.
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Jan 25, 2013 18:50
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greatn posted:His biggest mistakes being voting for the Iraq war, and flubbing the Thomas confirmation hearings when he was not ready to head that committee yet. You know Biden as Chair of Judiciary is a large portion of the reason Bork didn't get confirmed, right? And that that happened years before Thomas? Biden wasn't perfect on Thomas but it had nothing to do with "being ready" and everything to do with trying to keep personal lives out of politics.
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greatn posted:His biggest mistakes being voting for the Iraq war, and flubbing the Thomas confirmation hearings when he was not ready to head that committee yet. How about his hard on for the drug war?
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Jan 25, 2013 18:59
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Biden is very similar to Obama but has a different demeanor. A Biden presidency would be more of the same. They are establishment Democrats who will keep eroding democratic processes to keep the machine running while throwing bones at social issues that don't affect the corporate overlords.
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Jan 25, 2013 19:24
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Alter Ego posted:I'm just going to take a stab in the dark here and say that you don't think Colin Powell should have lost his job after 9/11. Terrorist attacks on US soil don't really fall under the Secretary of State purview. Ambassadors and Embassies do. If I recall correctly the head of the CIA was sacked.
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Kalman posted:You know Biden as Chair of Judiciary is a large portion of the reason Bork didn't get confirmed, right? And that that happened years before Thomas? Biden wasn't perfect on Thomas but it had nothing to do with "being ready" and everything to do with trying to keep personal lives out of politics. I stand corrected on that point then. Most of my knowledge comes from a documentary I saw on him in 2008, which included the Thomas hearings but not Bork.
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Jan 25, 2013 20:00
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Space Monster posted:Terrorist attacks on US soil don't really fall under the Secretary of State purview. Ambassadors and Embassies do. If I recall correctly the head of the CIA was sacked. You do not recall correctly. I'm not going to argue that he deserved to keep the job, but George Tenet served as Director of Central Intelligence from 1997-2004.
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Jan 25, 2013 20:04
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Living in the right wing media bubble is really hurting Republicans and their followers. If you just watch Fox News and listen to talk radio you'd think Bengazi was the biggest scandal in history. If you're a normal person who doesn't watch Fox News or listen to talk radio you give people who are screaming about Bengazi (and Fast and Furious, etc.) a blank look and then can't follow their convoluted conspiracy timeline when they try to explain it. I don't like Hillary Clinton but she came out of those hearings as the clear winner and made all the Republicans attacking her look like fools.
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greatn posted:I stand corrected on that point then. Most of my knowledge comes from a documentary I saw on him in 2008, which included the Thomas hearings but not Bork. I would highly recommend "What It Takes" if you're interested in Biden's history (and, more generally, in the 1988 Presidential candidates). There's some decent discussion of Biden's role in the Bork nomination.
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Space Monster posted:Terrorist attacks on US soil don't really fall under the Secretary of State purview. Ambassadors and Embassies do. If I recall correctly the head of the CIA was sacked. Nope, went on to call the case for WMD in Iraq a "Slam Dunk" Then after he retired George W. Bush awarded him the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
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Oh for gently caress sake.quote:Reporter Toni Yates tweeted N.J. Mayor Cory Booker and WABC. In the tweet, she applauded Newark for its heat help, but added, “Make pet owners get their dogs out of the cold.” Any of the dozen people in this story could have done something about this, but nope. We get a Cory Booker Heroically Rescues Freezing Dog story instead.
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greatn posted:His biggest mistakes being voting for the Iraq war, and flubbing the Thomas confirmation hearings when he was not ready to head that committee yet. Also, for some reason I've never identified, Taibbi absolutely loathes him. I'd be very interested to see his full take on why as he's done the Boys On The Bus routine through at least one Biden run. monoceros4 posted:Flavor Aid. Joementum posted:Any of the dozen people in this story could have done something about this, but nope. We get a Cory Booker Heroically Rescues Freezing Dog story instead. ReindeerF fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Jan 25, 2013 |
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Joementum posted:Oh for gently caress sake. Well, in truth it's kind of a "Cory Booker puts his high Klout score to use for the health of dogs everywhere" story. The man is an absolute press whore but issues like this are exactly the kind mayors should be weighing in on. But yes, save us Cory, he saved a woman, he secured Hot Pockets for the people of Newark, his water will mingle with our water, etc.
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SedanChair posted:Well, in truth it's kind of a "Cory Booker puts his high Klout score to use for the health of dogs everywhere" story. The man is an absolute press whore but issues like this are exactly the kind mayors should be weighing in on. No, this is a "look at Cory Booker doing something" story, and there are far more valuable uses of his time.
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Hey gently caress you man that dog was cold and apparently the entire city of Newark is so far up its own rear end they can't pick up a drat animal. Seriously though, what a bunch of twats.
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watt par posted:Hey gently caress you man that dog was cold and apparently the entire city of Newark is so far up its own rear end they can't pick up a drat animal. Seriously though, what a bunch of twats. You act as though "twat" isn't the de facto demonym for residents of New Jersey.
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The Entire Universe posted:You act as though "twat" isn't the de facto demonym for residents of New Jersey. Same could be said about the residents of every state, thank you very much. 
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I'm more concerned that Newark apparently doesn't have any kind of animal control that can handle this kind of situation. And that lack of delegation is worrisome in a leader.
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blackmet posted:I'm more concerned that Newark apparently doesn't have any kind of animal control that can handle this kind of situation. And that lack of delegation is worrisome in a leader. I'm sure they do, but it gets more publicity if Booker does it and that could make people pay attention and get their own dogs inside? I mean, it's not like being Mayor of Newark is that much of a thing that taking an hour to go help a dog is the end of the world.
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blackmet posted:I'm more concerned that Newark apparently doesn't have any kind of animal control that can handle this kind of situation. And that lack of delegation is worrisome in a leader. I don't know the exact relation between county and city government in New Jersey is, but there is an Essex County Animal Control department. If it's anything like my cities animal control department, they aren't fully staffed 24/7 so during the late hours, there's probably only a handful of people going out on calls.
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blackmet posted:I'm more concerned that Newark apparently doesn't have any kind of animal control that can handle this kind of situation. And that lack of delegation is worrisome in a leader. The vast, vast majority of his "Twitter hero" stuff is getting people's information and then sending them along to the right department, which is a perfectly fine thing for a mayor of a mid-sized city to be doing. This one was more of a cute photo op than anything, obviously. He's running for higher office, these things will happen. notthegoatseguy posted:I don't know the exact relation between county and city government in New Jersey is, but there is an Essex County Animal Control department. The relationship between the Essex County government and the Newark city government isn't great. Badly broken machine politics, lots of barely functional areas. oldfan fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Jan 26, 2013 |
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blackmet posted:I'm more concerned that Newark apparently doesn't have any kind of animal control that can handle this kind of situation. And that lack of delegation is worrisome in a leader. I don't know, but I see a LOT of stray animals in Newark, so it's probably understaffed.
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DynamicSloth posted:Nope, went on to call the case for WMD in Iraq a "Slam Dunk" Oops. Well, he should have been fired then!
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Waterbed posted:I don't know, but I see a LOT of stray animals in Newark, so it's probably understaffed. Newark is not one of the places I'd want to be a canine.
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The Entire Universe posted:You act as though "twat" isn't the de facto demonym for residents of New Jersey. Then she said "Kiss me where it smells funny" and I said, "You want me to take you to New Jersey at this hour?"
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Space Monster posted:Truthers have no point, Hillary was the head of the state department when Benghazi happened, and she dropped the ball. Four people died. I think you all are drinking the cool-aid if you believe this won't tank her chances at a 2016 general election victory. There's also the little part of her lying to Rand Paul about the US getting weapons to Syrian rebels through Turkey. Any response other than 'No.' strongly indicates a lie.
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Joe Biden/Charismatic Young Politician would make an intimidating ticket. It'd basically be the Democratic version of the McCain ticket, but I'd be ok with that as long as this Charismatic Young Politician is actually vetted.
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JT Jag posted:Joe Biden/Charismatic Young Politician would make an intimidating ticket. It'd basically be the Democratic version of the McCain ticket, but I'd be ok with that as long as this Charismatic Young Politician is actually vetted. I don't necessary disagree with the idea that Biden/someone could make a good ticket, but I do find it a little amusing that you're comparing to one which lost by nearly 200 EV's.
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cheese posted:Ask Mitt 'Mittens' Romney how well the "double down on Benghazi as a scandal" attack angle worked. It didn't work then, and it won't work in 3 years. Hillary should be so lucky that the Republicans count on her involvement in the Benghazi "scandal" as their silver bullet to kill her campaign. I enjoyed Senate Republicans kind of glumly following up on the now-pointless Benghazi inquiry this week. Way to give Hillary a springboard guys. I wonder if Huma picked the concussion-frames. Hillary is at the opposite end of "pulling off horn-rims" from Wolf Blitzer: 
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cheese posted:Ask Mitt 'Mittens' Romney how well the "double down on Benghazi as a scandal" attack angle worked. Can we stop with this talking point? Just because Romney lost doesn't mean everything Republicans tried to do had a negative impact. I still can't go a day without hearing about Benghazi or Fast & Furious. People listen to that poo poo. In 3 years there'll probably be a whole new scandal and this one will be long forgotten, but don't just write everything that they've attempted already as unsuccessful with a large group of voters. For all we know, Romney got 5% from people who were outraged about a manufactured Benghazi conspiracy and thought Obama didn't do enough about it.
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