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The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

Slime posted:

Well if you put all your points into INT you don't have enough points to put into DIC.

Remember that guy who wrote a book about the inverse relation between penis size and intelligence

And looked like this

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Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

The Vosgian Beast posted:

Remember that guy who wrote a book about the inverse relation between penis size and intelligence

And looked like this

Oh come on that's clearly one of those photoshops where they make the head a little smaller :colbert:

Hihohe
Oct 4, 2008

Fuck you and the sun you live under


The Vosgian Beast posted:

Remember that guy who wrote a book about the inverse relation between penis size and intelligence

And looked like this

This guy must be really dumb then because he is a gigantic chode.

Skittle Prickle
Oct 28, 2005

The best-tasting pickle I ever heard!

Fututor Magnus posted:

that's not what psychometric g is, but you're right on the matter that that's what dumb rationalists think it is, or use it as in their common parlance.

which is even more hilarious when they go on about the "genetic backing" of iq or g like rationalists do, and particularly scott does, and cite behaviour genetics and loving heritability studies, adoption studies etc. behaviour genetics is not even a subfield of genetics; it's a subfield of psychology, which should tell you exactly how much they can tell you about the molecular genetic underpinnings of any behavioural trait (i.e. nothing they're still several levels above scott, though, who's just a dumb psychiatrist, but i think we've gotten plenty into dumb scott is.

moron doesn't even understand what heritability is, and what import it actually has (for relevant mental traits, near zilch i.e. iq) when it comes to what scott cares about, which is providing an empirical basis for his hereditist ideology.

i could go on for hours on how dumb hereditism is, how meaningless heritability is, and the dumber side of it, like as you mention, the wishful thinking that heritability of iq is made up of many genes of additive effect (lol when you go so far as to talking about about selection effect) and that you can genetically engineer people with 200 iqs. though the fact that yudkowsky buys it is proof enough of its stupidity.

and lmao especially at the whole ashkenazi intelligence thing, "natural history of ashkenazi intelligence" (thank greg cochran for that). though you're wrong in mentioning that it isn't controversial; it is, in that that there's no loving evidence whatsoever for a eugenic selection of higher iq amongst askhenazi, whole thing was pulled out of greg cochran's rear end.

Oh, please do go on about the dumb stuff. I remember seeing one comment on a SSC thread that almost literally said "I don't need to study anything in depth. IQ has a high heritability, therefore HBD must be correct!"

Neon Noodle
Nov 11, 2016

there's nothing wrong here in montana
As always, even though according to HBDers the Asians and Ashkenazis are smarter than whites, white people rolled a higher CHA and thus remain the rightful master race.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Neon Noodle posted:

As always, even though according to HBDers the Asians and Ashkenazis are smarter than whites, white people rolled a higher CHA and thus remain the rightful master race.

So what, Asians are just relegated to being mentats or something?

pookel
Oct 27, 2011

Ultra Carp

SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:

That arc thing reminds me of the Exhibition of the Degenerate and the art Museum Hitler opened. There's a guy interviewed that said he went to both when he was young and found the "dignified" art to be almost pornographic.
Those arc painting look like a lot of naked ladies too.
I took a classical art history course in college (classical as in ancient Greece and Rome) and my professor liked to point out to us that a lot of what we like to think of as tasteful, highbrow statuary was not only garishly painted back then, but also used as pornography. I remember reading a passage about how they had to regularly had to wash the Venus de Milo because her rear end kept getting covered in jizz. This is also why rich dudes in the Renaissance liked to keep portraits of naked ladies in their private collection.

Now that we have internet porn, actual artists can do more interesting things than painting naked ladies all the time.

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

And Shakespeare was a bunch of dick and fart jokes. Is Always Sunny in Philadelphia going to be what survives our generation

inkblot
Feb 22, 2003

by Nyc_Tattoo

pookel posted:

Now that we have internet porn, actual artists can do more interesting things than painting naked ladies all the time.

They can, but they don't.

Neon Noodle
Nov 11, 2016

there's nothing wrong here in montana

ate all the Oreos posted:

So what, Asians are just relegated to being mentats or something?
Or waifus

Sit on my Jace
Sep 9, 2016

SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:

And Shakespeare was a bunch of dick and fart jokes. Is Always Sunny in Philadelphia going to be what survives our generation

Here's hoping!

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

Is white man with Asian woman somehow not against their anti-race-mixing rules?

Racists, even after all this studying of their insane beliefs, still baffle me.

Neon Noodle
Nov 11, 2016

there's nothing wrong here in montana

ikanreed posted:

Is white man with Asian woman somehow not against their anti-race-mixing rules?
If the prominent HBD advocates are anything to go by, it's their ideal formulation.

Puppy Time
Mar 1, 2005


ikanreed posted:

Is white man with Asian woman somehow not against their anti-race-mixing rules?

Racists, even after all this studying of their insane beliefs, still baffle me.

From what I've seen, it seems race mixing is only bad when it's nonwhites with white women.

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!
It's almost like white men can do no wrong.

Neon Noodle
Nov 11, 2016

there's nothing wrong here in montana
https://undark.org/article/race-science-razib-khan-racism/

This is a good article. When I was doing research assisting for a paleo-diet-related book a number of years ago, I got really upset about the way I saw this poo poo going. I'm glad to see I wasn't crazy.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Neon Noodle posted:

https://undark.org/article/race-science-razib-khan-racism/

This is a good article. When I was doing research assisting for a paleo-diet-related book a number of years ago, I got really upset about the way I saw this poo poo going. I'm glad to see I wasn't crazy.

It's an interesting article, also although I wish there was a clearer statement of what the
mainstream scientific consensus on human genetics is. I guess it was saying that, while the scientific racists are leaping to conclusions, we don't have a clear understanding of how genetics influence behavior, etc. yet?

Unbelievably Fat Man
Jun 1, 2000

Innocent people. I could never hurt innocent people.


ikanreed posted:

Is white man with Asian woman somehow not against their anti-race-mixing rules?

Racists, even after all this studying of their insane beliefs, still baffle me.

Asian females are the racially perfect mates for superior whites. These females' superior submission skills, combined with their genetic ability to take IQ tests well will combine with the best of our superior white... superiority will create a master race and we can turn ourselves into cyborgs or something.

Also white women are too uppity, demanding their mates treat them like human beings and poo poo.

Neon Noodle
Nov 11, 2016

there's nothing wrong here in montana

Silver2195 posted:

mainstream scientific consensus on human genetics is.
I'll try to give a rough outline as much as I can muster (I have a degree in bioanthropology and keep up with some of the stuff in this field).

The two key facts are:
1. Genetic influences on behavior are so dimly understood that we can't make meaningful predictions with the body of evidence that exists. And CERTAINLY not about populations.
2. The concept of "races" as a set of 5-10 meaningful categories for mankind is not supported by genetics.

As for genetics and behavior, there is so little to go on compared to all the other important environmental factors that there's barely even a point to discussing genes as a factor. Contrary to what HBDers say, no bioanthropologists doubt that there are genetic influences on behavior. What anthropology CAN'T do at this point is make specific claims (gene ABC leads to behavior XYZ), nor can anyone make population-level claims about genetic influences on behavior (i.e., the prevalence of gene ABC in population EFG is the cause of their better/worse behavior XYZ). You can extend "behavior" to include intelligence, seeing as we have no non-behavioral measures of intelligence. (That is, you can't determine a person's intelligence without asking them to perform a certain task, i.e., behave a certain way).

The human species is so inbred that our total level of genetic diversity is minuscule compared to, say, the genetic diversity of domestic dog breeds. Because of that, you can't lay out all the human populations of Earth and split them into categories big enough to be meaningfully thought of as "races." There are micro-ethnicities everywhere, for sure! Certain combinations of genes show up in particular locales, or make a gradient of allele frequencies across a geographic area (what the article was referring to as "clines"). But the categories we call "black" or "white" or "Asian" tell us only about a few outward physical features or a rough idea of what continent (some of your) ancestors come from. It doesn't reveal anything about your other genes, because the people we categorize as "black" or "white" or "Asian" can have almost any variant of any other gene you'd care to test for.

"Black" is a cultural category, not a useful genetic description. In the US, we take certain people, all of whom have completely distinct ethnic backgrounds, all of whom are genetically quite diverse, and all of whom have a different degree of genetic mixture from multiple continents, and throw them all in a bucket called "black". The label refers to what a person looks like, because that's what we can see. If I see a guy who has brown skin and a wide nose and thicker lips, as a white American I'm going to fixate on those genetic aspects of his appearance and categorize him based on that and that alone. He gets called "black." I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE REST OF HIS GENES except for the tautological fact that he has that skin tone or nose shape or mouth shape.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:

And Shakespeare was a bunch of dick and fart jokes. Is Always Sunny in Philadelphia going to be what survives our generation

A couple hundred years from now the episode where Frank pretends to have AIDS is studied in high school and everyone is sick of it

Skittle Prickle
Oct 28, 2005

The best-tasting pickle I ever heard!
Scotts talking about race again!

In the post, he plays "Is it really racist if you genuinely think black people are genetically inferior?" and goes on the usual confusing multipage ramble, include the scott trademarks of the contrived examples, the confusing analogy and the single anecdote that justifies everything. His premise seems to be "I'm not saying we should ignore racism, I'm just saying that we have to give every single racist the benefit of the doubt". Apparently he feels that a civil war is imminent because the left is too intolerant of people who believe racist things.

Also included: the south can't be racist because they voted for Ben Carson.

I wonder if he's talked with anyone with any actual expertise on racial matters, to politely pull him aside and explain what systemic factors are.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!

Skittle Prickle posted:

Scotts talking about race again!

In the post, he plays "Is it really racist if you genuinely think black people are genetically inferior?" and goes on the usual confusing multipage ramble, include the scott trademarks of the contrived examples, the confusing analogy and the single anecdote that justifies everything. His premise seems to be "I'm not saying we should ignore racism, I'm just saying that we have to give every single racist the benefit of the doubt". Apparently he feels that a civil war is imminent because the left is too intolerant of people who believe racist things.

Also included: the south can't be racist because they voted for Ben Carson.

I wonder if he's talked with anyone with any actual expertise on racial matters, to politely pull him aside and explain what systemic factors are.

He's switched off comments, but you'll be delighted to know that /r/slatestarcodex delivers:

ADHDsperg posted:

Scott is getting pretty close to Alt-Right logic in the last sentences. Basically the only mistake is that he things white racists, white tribalists are outliers in a larger liberal culture. This is basically not so. Rather educated white liberal elites are outliers are tribal lower class culture where many black, hispanic, islamist etc. etc. groups harbor as much or more hatred than white racists. And a lot of people went Alt-Right because they noticed that their attempts to be liberal are not reciprocated.

But it is really weird how Scott does not notice those. It should be even predictable that hateful non-white groups exist. After all tribalism is the natural state, right? Who received the most training in liberalism? Whites. So by this logic most other groups will be less liberal. Unless white racism is a reaction to liberal training... and groups who received less liberal training are less tribalm. This is possible, unlikely, but possible.

loving what

("ADHDsperg" is the poster's actual Reddit username)

Cavelcade
Dec 9, 2015

I'm actually a boy!



Skittle Prickle posted:

Scotts talking about race again!

In the post, he plays "Is it really racist if you genuinely think black people are genetically inferior?" and goes on the usual confusing multipage ramble, include the scott trademarks of the contrived examples, the confusing analogy and the single anecdote that justifies everything. His premise seems to be "I'm not saying we should ignore racism, I'm just saying that we have to give every single racist the benefit of the doubt". Apparently he feels that a civil war is imminent because the left is too intolerant of people who believe racist things.

Also included: the south can't be racist because they voted for Ben Carson.

I wonder if he's talked with anyone with any actual expertise on racial matters, to politely pull him aside and explain what systemic factors are.

Taking his example of rate of imprisonment - Blacks get imprisoned at a higher rate than Whites for the same crimes. The correct response isn't "do nothing" or "take away the ability to see criminal records", it's to correct the systemic problems causing these disparities.

Cavelcade has a new favorite as of 11:51 on Jun 22, 2017

BobHoward
Feb 13, 2012

The only thing white people deserve is a bullet to their empty skull

divabot posted:

loving what

("ADHDsperg" is the poster's actual Reddit username)

he makes a habit of blurting out racist things at minorities and when they snap back rather than genuflect to his self-image as an enlightened non racist he uses that as confirmation of what he really thinks, that ACTUALLY it's the minorities who are racist against me

I mean I don't know that's what happened, but let's face it, that's totally what happened.

Skittle Prickle
Oct 28, 2005

The best-tasting pickle I ever heard!

Cavelcade posted:

That's the correct response. Like, taking his example of rate of imprisonment - Blacks get imprisoned at a higher rate than Whites for the *same crimes*. The correct response isn't "do nothing" *or* "take away the ability to see criminal records", it's to correct the systemic problems causing these disparities.

He thinks hes making an impressive revelation by saying that racist effects can result from things other than outright hatred, and seems to take this fact as an argument for ignoring racism altogether. The fact that he doesn't even address the idea of systemic racism in the post makes me suspect that he might not even know about the idea. The old rationalist trap of trying to derive things from first principles without considering that there might be a whole academic field out there dedicated to examining what you're talking about.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Skittle Prickle posted:

I wonder if he's talked with anyone with any actual expertise on racial matters, to politely pull him aside and explain what systemic factors are.

It's been mentioned before but Scott has lots of sympathy and zero empathy, so I doubt he'd be able to conceptualize systemic factors even existing since that requires acknowledgement of a subjective reality other than his own.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

divabot posted:

And a lot of people went Alt-Right because they noticed that their attempts to be liberal are not reciprocated.

Literally political nice guys ahahaha

"Why doesn't ISIS just lay down their guns and be my friend I TRIED being nice to the loving BITCHES!"

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Like it's so drat telling that every interaction a lot of these people have is some kind of transaction to them. You can't just be a decent person to women they have to give you sex in return, you can't just be a decent person in general everyone else has to be nice to you in return. I mean if I'm not getting anything out of it what's the point?

Relevant Tangent
Nov 18, 2016

Tangentially Relevant

ate all the Oreos posted:

Like it's so drat telling that every interaction a lot of these people have is some kind of transaction to them.

Nick Land's final victory.

Cavelcade
Dec 9, 2015

I'm actually a boy!



ate all the Oreos posted:

Literally political nice guys ahahaha

That's a great description.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!

ate all the Oreos posted:

Like it's so drat telling that every interaction a lot of these people have is some kind of transaction to them. You can't just be a decent person to women they have to give you sex in return, you can't just be a decent person in general everyone else has to be nice to you in return. I mean if I'm not getting anything out of it what's the point?

i'll fight racism, right, but on the blockchain,,

Bunni-kat
May 25, 2010

Service Desk B-b-bunny...
How can-ca-caaaaan I
help-p-p-p you?

divabot posted:

i'll fight racism, right, but on the blockchain,,

On the blockchain, no one knows you're a dog.

Sit on my Jace
Sep 9, 2016

Skittle Prickle posted:

He thinks hes making an impressive revelation by saying that racist effects can result from things other than outright hatred, and seems to take this fact as an argument for ignoring racism altogether. The fact that he doesn't even address the idea of systemic racism in the post makes me suspect that he might not even know about the idea. The old rationalist trap of trying to derive things from first principles without considering that there might be a whole academic field out there dedicated to examining what you're talking about.

It turns out that the "rationalist" label was accurate all along, but in the "as opposed to empiricist" sense of the word.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!

Anil Dasharez0ne posted:

It turns out that the "rationalist" label was accurate all along, but in the "as opposed to empiricist" sense of the word.

that thread's amazing for people who almost get there, then start blathering about the SJ menace.

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

Scott has a talent for mind blowing revelation that everyone already knew

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!

SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:

Scott has a talent for mind blowing revelation that everyone already knew

I wonder if anyone ever told him that historical materialism is literally Marxism.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

divabot posted:

I wonder if anyone ever told him that historical materialism is literally Marxism.

But is it ~cultural Marxism~

danger-carpet
Aug 3, 2016
A new interview with Nick Land.

Nick Land posted:

At the time you think, okay, you don’t just cook up a new religion, you don’t just cook Kek. Then the thing happens and all of these trolls are saying ‘Praise Kek’. But it’s not just a joke: you only psychologically defend yourself from something really intense and Lovecraftian about the whole subject by not thinking about it. Something insane has happened with this self-orienting massive Kek cult. It does take you back to ancient times and what these kind of religious insurgencies must have been like and where religions come from.

Nick Land posted:

Marko Bauer and Andrej Tomažin posted:

Reza Negarestani somewhere writes that mere ‘collectivity is not enough for a work [or an event] to be hyperstitional.’ He elaborates this through a difference between Tolkien and Lovecraft. What kind of collectivities are we looking at here, if not the ones attached to universalism?
I am not 100 percent confident of what Reza is saying in that text.


Nick Land posted:

I am writing an abstract horror story that is basically about situationism, even though I know nothing about it at the moment.

Nick Land posted:

My inclination is to be on the Scott Bakker side. I might be missing something, but I can’t recall ever reading a piece by him and thinking that’s wrong. It always seems to me, you’re totally right on this. Often brilliantly in a way that you have not seen, but as soon as I see it, I concur with it.
Please note that Bakker is considered a bit extreme even by most of the people who post on these sorts of accelerationist blogs. His website is full of unhinged rants reminiscent of LoB's posts here. He's been drifting further to the right ever since Trump looked like he had a shot at the White House. He compares mainstream academics who disagree with him to nazis while literally arguing that there is no difference between good and bad things. He's not a neoreactionary but he embodies most of its defenders' flaws: reflexive contrarianism, extreme nihilism/misanthropy, armchair critiques of feminism, anti-intellectual rhetoric, a disturbingly instrumentalist interpretation of human interaciton, obsession with biotruths and AI, and a prose style worthy of Moldbug himself. It's no wonder Land's a fan.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747
Scott Bakker is gloriously insane, is the way I would describe him

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The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

danger-carpet posted:

A new interview with Nick Land.


I am not 100 percent confident of what Reza is saying in that text.


Please note that Bakker is considered a bit extreme even by most of the people who post on these sorts of accelerationist blogs. His website is full of unhinged rants reminiscent of LoB's posts here. He's been drifting further to the right ever since Trump looked like he had a shot at the White House. He compares mainstream academics who disagree with him to nazis while literally arguing that there is no difference between good and bad things. He's not a neoreactionary but he embodies most of its defenders' flaws: reflexive contrarianism, extreme nihilism/misanthropy, armchair critiques of feminism, anti-intellectual rhetoric, a disturbingly instrumentalist interpretation of human interaciton, obsession with biotruths and AI, and a prose style worthy of Moldbug himself. It's no wonder Land's a fan.
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Still pretty into his books, sorry.

Also when Mister Mean-Spirited talks about wanting to kill himself, it's because he's strong and above the herd. When anyone else does it

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