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Yeah, if we could find spyware in the code or have a story break about the game being spyware, and if we could spam them with crap players, and if we could pin warcrimes on them then that would go a ways to scaring off a chunk of the player base.
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Don't forget that Aresenal AD has those supercomputers we stole e: A bot is actually better at World of Tanks than the worst players. So you don't even need terrible players, just flood the server with subtlety sabotaged bots.
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Apr 2, 2019 03:11
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Warmachine posted:Killing pilots and wrecking airframes is good, but if for whatever reason we can't fully wreck the base, we need to at least be able to gently caress up the runway to make the trip worth it and deny ROMARM an airfield.
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the major threat from an aifrield is the planes. that means we should attack the planes. but the planes are 3dp so can be replaced ad nauseum. that means we should attack the pilots shoot down the planes to clear the skies. then bomb airfield facilities to destroy ability to field planes. pay special attention to housing, mess halls, pubs, stripper joints, fast cars & sweet motorcycles, beach volleyball emplacements, and other facilities pilots deem absolutely vital. if we can destroy their so-called "sweet rides" then the hotshot pilots will be forced to leave in search of replacements. furthermore, if we can deprive them of places to talk about flying and the ever-vital BEACH VOLLEYBALL SCENES, their unit cohesion will quickly tank as they have no other means of bonding and conflict resolution. also, we'll need to destroy the control tower - without that, the pilots can't buzz the tower. Radio Free Kobold fucked around with this message at 03:43 on Apr 2, 2019 |
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Apr 2, 2019 03:38
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Wait, so the tanks are driven by pubbie scum groupthink? Man, those must be some cowardly rear end robot tanks.
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Radio Free Kobold posted:the major threat from an aifrield is the planes. that means we should attack the planes. jesus christ man, i know we're at war and all but i wouldnt ever dream of taking away beach volleyball from my fellow man we may be mercs, but god we have standards Dr. Snark fucked around with this message at 03:53 on Apr 2, 2019 |
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paragon1 posted:Wait, so the tanks are driven by pubbie scum groupthink? Even an "optimal" solution based on pubbies is going to be bad.
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FrangibleCover posted:Other way around. You can repair a cratered runway in 48 hours. You probably need a week or so to print and assemble an aircraft. You need six months to get a decent fighter pilot. Bombing runways without immediate intent to follow up with a major air/ground offensive is a total waste of time and I don't really see us being in a position to do that right now. Honestly I had no idea what the turnaround time would be, but I also live in Michigan so my concept of how quickly someone can repair a runway-length stretch of concrete is skewed by our road commission (which is definitely not a corps of combat engineers). In that case.... Radio Free Kobold posted:the major threat from an aifrield is the planes. that means we should attack the planes. These are, after all, mercs. They grew up watching Top Gun. Whether or not the stereotype holds true for real military pilots, it absolutely holds true for these kids.
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Apr 2, 2019 04:20
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All right, it's DDOS time. We can haul some Chinese servers to start crashing them big. I'm thinking it's time to pull the Nigerian Prince. Then we bring out ALL YOUR BASE and all those 90's flash games on Newgrounds and Kongregate.
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Apr 2, 2019 04:47
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Strike the airfield We were brought on to deal with the SuperSonics, not shut down internet access in Bulgaria. I’d go into a several paragraph long tirade of how unethical the whole “shutting down the internet” thing would be (I’d bring in charts, graphs, and various news articles supporting my point this time instead of relying on pure pathos), but I’m not really in the mood for dying on that hill today and it’s ~0030 ET where I live so it’s pretty late for me to be arguing (would rather not go to bed angry). Something tells me that this might’ve garnered some spite votes in favor of shutting down the internet, but gently caress that noise; I know where I stand.
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Apr 2, 2019 05:29
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Strike the airfield!
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We need air superiority to do anything. strike the airfield
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Apr 2, 2019 07:07
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Strike the Airfield While I dither, I think we are also likely to go on a rampmage if we don't have internet access at base either.
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Apr 2, 2019 09:31
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Nice pilots, it'd be a shame if something happened to them. Strike the airfield. (And gently caress volleyball)
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Apr 2, 2019 09:59
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TheDemon posted:Don't forget that Aresenal AD has those supercomputers we stole Genius. Let's do this! Also, strike the airfield! If we get to use that last Yak, they have some pretty nasty runway-killers. Bacarruda fucked around with this message at 10:12 on Apr 2, 2019 |
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Apr 2, 2019 10:09
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Murder the internet because going after tanks would be an exercise in futility, and going after the airfield would be like a Russian general asking another who won the air war after world war 3.
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Apr 2, 2019 12:18
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Do we have a way to jam wifi and 5g internet?
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RandomPauI posted:Do we have a way to jam wifi and 5g internet? At the moment no, just shrapnel and explosives. Arsenal and RABA are evaluating the options while the big gently caress-off huge supercomputer is supercomputing.
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Apr 2, 2019 12:50
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Bacarruda posted:Also, strike the airfield! If we get to use that last Yak, they have some pretty nasty runway-killers. Dance Officer posted:going after the airfield would be like a Russian general asking another who won the air war after world war 3. It's a bloody business lads, but we're going to have to kill pilots. None of them seemed to take DT5 up on the Free Rakija offers courtesy of Mycroft's connections so this is what it's come to.
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Apr 2, 2019 14:17
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FrangibleCover posted:I definitely understand the "air superiority is irrelevant" angle but if we believe it's true why the hell are we running an airmerc company? Close air support, interdiction, interception, recon, you name it. Stereotypically American, this is.
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Apr 2, 2019 20:16
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Doesn't seem much point chasing robotanks, and doesn't seem to be much practical value in attacking the internet. Let's go take out that airfield and its pilots.
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Just so everyone knows, there will be a way to do the mission. It's not going to just be "Leroy Planes into the SAMs". There might be a bad way to do the mission, but there will be a way.
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Apr 2, 2019 20:23
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Hot drat, I've missed out on the last couple months, but I'm all caught back up. That last mission in the Black Sea was baller, nice to see the Atlantique doing some MISR missions like it was designed for and even getting some kills (though in the MPRA world we're still kind of...meh on using bombs instead of missiles). With our new procurement rules, here's hoping we can snag some sweet Super Tweets at some point, good job Bote lobby for acquiring us a fine piece of nautical technology! I also vote Strike the Airfield, we can bomb tanks at our leisure, but we need a permissive air environment to do so. Also glad to see Yooper having roughly the same success rate with the coin bottle opener as we all had. 
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So random thought: Gold farmers are very, very cheap. Particularly in regions where poverty and crime is prevalent; in 2017 there was an article about Venezuelan gold farmers earning $25 per week to keep their family fed. Gold farming is also a multi-billion dollar business, meaning there are literally millions of people playing games for money. So why not pay them money to play for us? For the price of a few cruise missiles, would contract out a decent number of farming companies to play... and play badly. Very badly. Optimizing algorithms for suicide, actively blocking bridges, tactically loving themselves over in the most liberating and viable means possible. How many simultaneous players would be required to form a significant portion of the player base? Multiply that value by maybe $5 per person and you'd have your rate.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Very badly. To the 'let's teach the system bad habits' crowd, you're assuming that the 'algorithm' doesn't filter out 'non-optimal' results, which, would be a silly assumption. Standard 'find the optimal path' solution-bots only iterate on the most successful previous steps; if you were running this type of crowd-sourced 'Tank Commander' code, wouldn't you only take the top, say, 3% of solutions that yields the most, or mostly, completed objectives?
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CourValant posted:To the 'let's teach the system bad habits' crowd, you're assuming that the 'algorithm' doesn't filter out 'non-optimal' results, which, would be a silly assumption. Even so, there's something to be said for decreasing the percentage of viable strategies from 20% to 5% as an example. Adding in that much more junk data would tax the processes behind the tank control systems considerably just by sheer volume of extra bad data it has to sift through. This system is certainly somewhat viable, but a DDoS-style attack can cripple it badly.
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Dr. Snark posted:This system is certainly somewhat viable, but a DDoS-style attack can cripple it badly. I think DDoS and jamming the Tanks would be the easier and more direct way to solve this.
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Voting is complete! 17 votes for striking Gorna Airbase 2 votes for killing the internet 1 vote for pursuing the tanks Our data analysts are working feverishly to put together a brief then you folks can get to mission planning. When I say "analysts" I really mean "unpaid interns". Gotta watch the budget and all. Two potential things working for us. One is the Bulgarian National Military University, more on that later. The other is a legal breach of the WVR doctrine by ROMARM. Those SA-11's riled a few feathers. We might be able to use that to our advantage. More to come later! There was a training accident near Gjader today...   From the DCS Mirage 2000C module. If you're a DCS nerd come fly with the AirGoons. If you think I'm bad at mission ops, you should see how bad I am at flying a jet. Tythas took me up in F-15C's the other day and it was a ton of fun shooting the Kutz with a dozen other Goons.
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Yooper posted:There was a training accident near Gjader today... Erm, oopsie? That doesn't look like it'll just buff out easily. Magni fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Apr 3, 2019 |
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 Gorna Airbase was until recently a civilian airfield that saw nothing much larger than a Cessna or Learjet popping in for some wine. Once ROMARM moved in they brought some heavy construction muscle to update the facility. Weather hasn't cooperated so I don't have a recent target breakdown. Fortunately we have some eyes on the ground (more on that later). Near as we can gather they are improving the infrastructure at a steady rate, digging revetments, and adding housing. Hangars seem to be secondary with tarmac space spreading out.  North of the airfield is suspected SAM sites. After they fired up that SA-11 a few days ago it brought in the F-35's. And F-35's bring the pain. So now ROMARM is being very particular about their radar. It's a warm-up look, shut-down, wait-it-out. Even the long range civilian radars are alternating. This might let us get close, but once our attack is detected you can be sure that the hostile SAM's will go live. The SA-11's appear to be on Romanian soil, so expect shorter range stuff at the airbase itself. That said if we stray too far north it's likely those SA-11's will go live again. This field is going to have F-104's and a wide variety of attack aircraft. Chinese advisors have been sighted but we don't know if it's for technical assistance or pilots. Of note is a large power generation station to the south about 1.5km. Especially the massive pile of coal. Unfortunately no car washes nearby.  The ROMARM advance moved so quickly that the cadets at the Military University only had time to escape to the hills. They are un-trained, or as trained as an ROTC cadet could be. But they are eager, young, and willing to help us out. At the moment consider them irregulars with a very special JTAC... our own Mycroft Holmes! The Black Bloc folks sent him to help out in Bulgaria.  The cadets are available as boots on the ground. You can direct them to attack a structure, do a diversion, or just give us eyes. It's not guaranteed to go well, but it'll do something.  Next up is our friends at EU.NATO. They're itching to show the world that they really aren't screwing around. So we might be able to divert an EU.NATO patrol into our AOO and let them drop some ordnance. No guarantee what will get hit, and they could miss, or strike a bridge with Brimstones...  Lastly... Adnan. He's been hawking his wares for months and it's been so terrible and lovely that no one wanted to buy it. Except now since we can't get the poo poo. So what does Adnan's Bazaar get you? A chance at a BVR weapon! That's right, a chance! Because it might not work! The more sophisticated it is the less likely it'll function properly. Want a shiny HARM for that EA-6B? Well, it probably won't work. A Walleye though? Yah, that's simple and lovely enough for the 3d print houses in Lagos to get right. Your mission may choose one of the above. Have an idea for something wild? Go ahead and run it by me. DT5 is available as well, but on a more limited narrative type role. Back to you Hired Goons!
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Yooper posted:Of note is a large power generation station to the south about 1.5km. Especially the massive pile of coal. What are the particulars on this generation station and the pile of coal? Would taking it out disrupt local response times? Are HAZMAT standards lax enough that coal 'dust' might be an issue? Yooper posted:The cadets are available as boots on the ground. You can direct them to attack a structure, do a diversion, or just give us eyes. It's not guaranteed to go well, but it'll do something. Treat as standard light infantry? They have them some explosives??
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CourValant posted:Treat as standard light infantry? They have them some explosives?? If they don’t, it wouldn’t be too hard to air drop them some. We still have our cargo plane I think.
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Comedy option, could we spray the coal with rotten egg smell, making it unusable? I don't know why we'd need to take it out, it's just amusing to me.
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RandomPauI posted:Comedy option, could we spray the coal with rotten egg smell, making it unusable? I don't know why we'd need to take it out, it's just amusing to me. A whole bunch of burning coal could be a pretty good diversion for action on the ground. Might gently caress up visibility at the runway as well?
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RandomPauI posted:Comedy option, could we spray the coal with rotten egg smell, making it unusable? I don't know why we'd need to take it out, it's just amusing to me. paragon1 posted:A whole bunch of burning coal could be a pretty good diversion for action on the ground. Might gently caress up visibility at the runway as well? Not just bombing the coal with incendiaries to set it on fire; rather, detonating the coal dust to create a shockwave, much like an Air-Fuel Bomb. Coal dust is extremely hazardous, for all sorts of reasons. https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/mining/features/coalmineexplosion.html An explosion of this nature would certainly create a large distraction, and, likely shut down the power generation station due to an inability to feed the steam plant in ~8 hours (one workshift).
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Apr 3, 2019 07:46
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Is the power plant for the whole region though?
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RandomPauI posted:Is the power plant for the whole region though? Dunno, that's why I was asking Yooper about the particulars for this them dar there Coal Powered Electricity Generation Station.
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RandomPauI posted:Is the power plant for the whole region though? Power grids are (inter)national affairs, so no. What it could do is cause a brownout.
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Yooper posted:Your mission may choose one of the above. Have an idea for something wild? Go ahead and run it by me. DT5 is available as well, but on a more limited narrative type role. CourValant posted:An explosion of this nature would certainly create a large distraction, and, likely shut down the power generation station due to an inability to feed the steam plant in ~8 hours (one workshift). If we want to set fire to stuff then we'll need to use one of the A-6s to drop incendiaries.
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