Viscous Soda posted:

Umm... it says the video has been removed.

orcinus posted:

Forgot the details, but the actual issue caused by the low-g is called mast bumping. The blades flapping motion gets so pronounced the rotor head hits the mast. If it causes enough damage, rotor goes bye bye and the helicopter drops from the sky like a rock (essentially equivalent to a fixed wing aircraft losing its wings).

Helicopters back then used a semirigid rotor design, with two blades meeting at a hinge that translates flapping of one blade into the opposite (mirror-ish) flapping of the other, like a see-saw, essentially. When one blade lowers, the other one goes up. Now, the key part of this design is that the rotor plane is below the actual mast "top". If you imagine the rotor disc, the mast goes *through* it. If you now imagine the rotor disc tilting, it can only go so far before the central, inner hub portion of the disc hits the mast.

This was the source of the weakness to low-g. Rigid rotors and fully articulated rotors don't have that issue, and are more common today.

I'm pretty bad at explaining things without a piece of paper and a pen, but if you google "mast bumping", you should find plenty of illustrations.
While you're at it, google "jesus bolt" or "jesus nut".

peter gabriel posted:

Is anyone else getting that? I heard someone say so a while back

TTerrible posted:

Works for me.

peter gabriel posted:

Is anyone else getting that? I heard someone say so a while back

YouTube posted:

This video contains content from SME, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.

peter gabriel posted:

Is anyone else getting that? I heard someone say so a while back

BattleMaster posted:

ManofManyAliases posted:

Ok so to put it bluntly: they are a business. Sure - they're producing a video game without a publisher (and some would say with misguided management - time will tell), and via a crowd-funded venture. Some of the more blatant trolls here will argue that other funding sources are minimal. Yet some here with a bit more business accumen can understand that no business that wishes to exceed banks on once source of income for progression. Ok - that part is said.

To answer your question, and based on my preface: I think they can absolutely continue to offer ships for pledges/donations so long as they now "have a ship pipeline" that they can reasonable stick with. With over 300 people working, I'm sure there are enough individuals that can be dedciated to working on concepting, designing, and rendering ships that it wouldn't detract from other key elements of development. Now - forget for a second that concept ships might not make it to engine right away, and that they are offering ships for cash before other facets of the game are further developed. Are they forcing anyone to buy it? Nevermind that ships can presumably be bought in-game. They are not forcing anyone to purcahse ships. They are not saying that 'in order to continue funding development, we need to sell these ships - so buy!' They are making something available to people who continue to back a project while still in creation.

If we were to close out all communication of development from this point forward and pretend - for instance - that this were a project run by a publisher, we likely wouldn't hear anything about development progress until later alpha/beta stages, were only a select few thousand were invited, and then a few more in public beta: approx 6-8 months from release (similar to how COD, BF, etc do things). Those users never get anything prior to game release, unless they pre-purchase the title and are offered some mediocre bonus for doing so.

CIG is very unorthodox (and some of you may interpret unorthodox to mean inexperienced, complacent, whatever) in their methods of communication. But, they technically are divulging more about the development process than most other games have done this early in the game.

In summation, I don't have a problem with a business that wants to offer somethign for sale to make money. They are self-tasked with developing and producing a game, but if they want to make some extra cash doing so, they can try. People vote with their wallets. That's not an excuse for ignorance or stupidity. It's just the way of consumerism.

peter gabriel posted:

Ok, I'll get the law changed in the USA, brb

Lladre posted:

Here's the thing. The question was, is it a scummy thing to do.
No one is forced to buy a ship.
But that's not how cons work.

When people get conned they give the con artist money. They aren't forced to at gun point. No one here is accusing CIG of robbery. They are accusing CIG of acting ina shady manner akin of a con artist.

So when your business model seems like a con. It's a scummy business model.

Sunswipe posted:

Can someone here with a bit of business accumen explain what the gently caress the second part of that sentence means? Or is MoMA drunk?

Lladre posted:

Heh, SME? Is that supposed to be Sony Music Entertainment? What song did you have in it?

peter gabriel posted:

Wham

ManofManyAliases posted:

In summation, I don't have a problem with a business that wants to offer somethign for sale to make money. They are self-tasked with developing and producing a game, but if they want to make some extra cash doing so, they can try. People vote with their wallets. That's not an excuse for ignorance or stupidity. It's just the way of consumerism.

peter gabriel posted:

What happens if you try one of those IP thingy youtube viewers?

peter gabriel posted:

Wham

spacetoaster posted:

Did they ever update the TOS?

quote:

Alpha Patch 2.4.0 has been released and is now available for players! This patch provides access to our new Shopping experience, full Hangar interactivity from within the game client via new options and the Port Modification App. Many changes to Crusader and Port Olisar including the implementation of new missions, Alpha Currency and Defender reputation. Tying all these new features together and making them truly possible is our first iteration of server-side Persistence – our first persistent server databases! With this we can begin storing information about in-game characters, items, currency and reputation so they can be recalled between game play sessions. We also have our first pass on control unification between flight and fps controls which promises a much greater experience for our players, new flyable Starfarer and Starfarer Gemini, the hangar-ready Reliant and numerous fixes across the game.

Samizdata posted:

Of course this whole argument is predicated on the concept of there ever being a stable, functional, non-legally actionable product. Which, frankly, I am far from convinced there will ever be, due to management's apparently complete lack of focus, not to mention terrifyingly fragile egos (as made evident by CIG's inability to say "no" to amazingly frivolous, technically improbable feature requests).

Mind you, I would LOVE to be proven wrong. But given the train wreck I am seeing that somehow goes faster the longer it slides down the track, I suspect I will end up just watching the horror as a lot of people lose money and jobs.

Also, PROTIP! for being taken seriously - Spellcheck. Learn it. Know it. Live it.

ManofManyAliases posted:

edit: 2.4 is live in the mPU now. Time to go have some fun!

Barn Folk posted:

Businesses produce finished goods for profit. What CIG is doing is taking preorders for add-ons for a game yet to be completed. Should the CEO be drawing a salary from a company that has yet to produce anything significant? Shouldn't preorder money be used to fund the game before going into his pocket? Because there is a very real probability that this project tanks before completion.

EminusSleepus posted:

Yes, it has a new meaning now.

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