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Lord of the Llamas posted:Hollande is the most unpopular president ever and Macron was a senior and influential figure in his government. His victory mainly shows that people are stupid and don't understand politics at all. Or, maybe people have realized that both of the traditional establishment parties have depoliticized themselves in the name of upholding similar neoliberal policies, leaving the field wide-open for any sort of outsider to those parties. Macron saw that, surrounded himself with marketing experts and rebranded himself like he was any other consumer good, helped by a ruling class that saw in him a mean of consolidating their power, and seized the opportunity.
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ElNarez posted:Or, maybe people have realized that both of the traditional establishment parties have depoliticized themselves in the name of upholding similar neoliberal policies, leaving the field wide-open for any sort of outsider to those parties. Macron saw that, surrounded himself with marketing experts and rebranded himself like he was any other consumer good, helped by a ruling class that saw in him a mean of consolidating their power, and seized the opportunity.
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So Fillon likely would have won if not for that whole scandal?
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May 9, 2017 22:55
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jBrereton posted:Alternatively Marine le Pen is really bad, Melenchon is a slightly hypocritical communist, and Fillon has a bent British wife + bilked jillions of euros from the state which stopped him being pres. What about Hamon ?!???
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Private Speech posted:What about Hamon ?!??? I assume he left out the little league candidates for brevity's sake.
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May 9, 2017 23:13
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Macron has received constant positive coverage from the press, and he's been constantly depicted, long before even the first round, as the "useful vote" for people who wanted neither Le Pen nor Fillon, who were predicted as the second round ticket until Fillon's embezzlement issues emerged. Macron is Fillon-lite on his financial and economic ideas. He basically wants to deregulate stuff left and right, hamstring public public administrations, make sure public services are inefficient, and claim to save money by having a dysfunctional country. Not as much as Fillon whose program was basically controlled demolition. On the Left, the PS has killed itself under Hollande and Valls. Valls in particular is the greatest architect of the PS's demise IMO. The Communists have been anecdotal since the Mitterrand era, they haven't had any halfway influential leader since Georges Marchais. Mélenchon had a good campaign overall, but he has made a number of blunders (especially wrt. foreign policy, my god he's a moron about that) and the media depicted him as a populist, basically equating him with Le Pen.
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Cerebral Bore posted:I assume he left out the little league candidates for brevity's sake. Hamon was a very bigly candidate It would've been nice if he won  Oh well, thank god it's not Le Pen or Fillon
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Pinch Me Im Meming posted:FFA explain yourself! What is this Communist Party/Mélenchon split I'm hearing about right now? Idiot piece of poo poo moron assholes, the whole loving lovely lot of them loving assholes, you fuckers got cold feet and needed each other to justify why we'd lose, eh? Pieces of poo poo, gently caress
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May 9, 2017 23:55
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The god loving damned Communist Party. The loving French Left everybody.
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gently caress We'll get 0 seats. Not a single one. Morons. Imbeciles.
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I like French labor laws. By the time Macron is done, there probably won't be much worker's rights to speak of. Also, Melenchon never really struck me as a very sincere candidate. He seems more power-hungry than believing in his own rhetoric. I guess this can be said about any candidate, but it rings most with him for me since a lot his supporters don't seem to get that vibe off of him.
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Flowers For Algeria posted:The god loving damned Popular Front of Lutetia.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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100YrsofAttitude posted:Also, Melenchon never really struck me as a very sincere candidate. He seems more power-hungry than believing in his own rhetoric. I guess this can be said about any candidate, but it rings most with him for me since a lot his supporters don't seem to get that vibe off of him. But even if that is true he would at least have used advanced hologram technology to announce the policy of acting like a blatant sellout.
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https://twitter.com/pierrebri/status/862194324498509824 I guess this is going to make some people happy here. Valls was probably too far on the left anyway for En Marche!
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GaussianCopula posted:https://twitter.com/pierrebri/status/862194324498509824 Valls and Macron are literally indistinguishable from each other.
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GaussianCopula posted:https://twitter.com/pierrebri/status/862194324498509824 I'm going to show this to my dad, who was concerned En Marche would just be a rebranded PS where Macron would recuperate his good friends including Hollande. You know. He had the fear that the next government would be too left.
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Valls should go to the Ripoublicains anyway; he'd be more at home there.
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But really is there any good/popular well-liked French politician? No one I know here seems to like anyone. Also I'm still not very well-versed in the French political system despite living here. I still don't have the best grasp on how it functions. To those of you who're French or have better experience, what are some good French or English sources, so as to read up on French politics and learn more about it? Even a simple civics book would help in figuring out how the 5th Republic works because I keep trying to find equivalencies with the American system and it's not really the same, is it?
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Lord of the Llamas posted:His victory mainly shows that people are stupid and don't understand politics at all.
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I've read people saying that Valls' long-term goal for the PS was to expel the left and form an Italy/Japan-style Democratic Party of the center-center-left? Seems EM basically has accomplished that goal?
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100YrsofAttitude posted:But really is there any good/popular well-liked French politician? No one I know here seems to like anyone. Of course there are universally well-liked politicians in France. Yannick Noah. Jean-Jacques Goldman. Mimie Mathy. Edit holy poo poo I was being glib but it turns out there's an actual politician almost on top of the list of the favorite personalities in France: Simone Veil. Flowers For Algeria fucked around with this message at 08:57 on May 10, 2017 |
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^^^^^^^ well everyone but the anti-abortion people and the antisemite love Simone. What not to love.Flowers For Algeria posted:Of course there are universally well-liked politicians in France. Yannick Noah. Jean-Jacques Goldman. Mimie Mathy. icantfindaname posted:I've read people saying that Valls' long-term goal for the PS was to expel the left and form an Italy/Japan-style Democratic Party of the center-center-left? Seems EM basically has accomplished that goal? Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 09:08 on May 10, 2017 |
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Cat Mattress posted:On the Left, the PS has killed itself under Hollande and Valls. Valls in particular is the greatest architect of the PS's demise IMO. The Communists have been anecdotal since the Mitterrand era, they haven't had any halfway influential leader since Georges Marchais. Mélenchon had a good campaign overall, but he has made a number of blunders (especially wrt. foreign policy, my god he's a moron about that) and the media depicted him as a populist, basically equating him with Le Pen. The PS is decomposing since much further. In 2000, prime minister Jospin was maiking an eightiest "remaniement" facing strong opposition from the streets and most of the PS. You have to concede something to Jospin and Hollande, they mastered the reconciliation of opposites point of view into a "synthčse molle", a sluggish synthesis. To an art. But this is only deny. The Reims congress in 2008 left it utterly broken, with litterally no line chosen between social democracy and traditional left - blood were spilled everywhere inbetween Aubry, Royal and Hamon. You only see the end of a 20 years process.
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Picardy Beet posted:eightiest "remaniement" What does this mean?
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icantfindaname posted:What does this mean? Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 09:36 on May 10, 2017 |
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A cabinet reshuffle. e: goddammit
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i guess the french left really wants to die
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Kurtofan posted:i guess the french left really wants to die
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Last night I went to bed to the tune of the PCF/JLM split. Today I wake up to Hamon split. So many splits it's starting to look like the Olympics!
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Kurtofan posted:hamon will start his own left wing transpartisan (whatever that means) movement after the legislatives Creating a billion micro-parties does not sound like a winning strategy in a winner takes all system.
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Flowers For Algeria posted:Valls and Macron are literally indistinguishable from each other. I dunno, they seem pretty easy to distinguish to me: one's president of France, the other's a washed up man whose political career just died.
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I'm literally trying to organize a strike among the activist base. gently caress these fuckers.
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Flowers For Algeria posted:I'm literally trying to organize a strike among the activist base. gently caress these fuckers. Why do you think striking is going to achieve anything positive for France? It seems to me that all they achieve is to disrupt the economy and prevent necessary reforms, thereby guaranteeing a LePen victory next election.
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And now we have yet another useless post/pre -electoral split feast, totally unexpected. 
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GaussianCopula posted:Why do you think striking is going to achieve anything positive for France? It seems to me that all they achieve is to disrupt the economy and prevent necessary reforms, thereby guaranteeing a LePen victory next election. Shut the gently caress up, GC, you don't know poo poo about labor struggles and the economy. You can shove your "necessary" reforms up your rear end. Also I was talking about a strike among the activist base of the France Insoumise political movement, right before the elections, to try to get them to sign an electoral agreement, any electoral agreement, with the Communist Party.
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Flowers For Algeria posted:Shut the gently caress up, GC, you don't know poo poo about labor struggles and the economy. You can shove your "necessary" reforms up your rear end. This is Trump supporter-level of 11-dimensional chess... 
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