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Haifisch posted:Aren't mattresses one of those things where most places sell the same models, but under different names so it's hard to comparison shop? The Zinus ones on Amazon Prime are a godsend and I'm rooting for them to be the cleansing flames for brick and mortar mattress stores. There's like a Sleepy's five minutes in every direction in Chicago.
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olylifter posted:we just bought a $3,000 mattress. I can afford half and it shuts her up for a while. Our 400 dollar memory foam futon is 10x more comfortable but she wanted some swanky one. You can't put a price on not arguing or having to hear about some loving mattress purchase.  And mattresses cost like $100 to make so buy the floor model or the closest-looking one from whatever shady site pops up on google for that brand. You want to go nuts? There are $10,000+ mattress makers, complete with boutique shops in Manhattan.
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poisonpill posted:
Check out Hastens mattresses. Known for their horsehair stuffing. Can run up to 100,000 very easily. George H.W. Cunt fucked around with this message at 01:17 on May 13, 2018 |
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I have one of those mattresses that rhyme with pleat slumber. It goes up and down like a Craftmatic Adjustable. In other news I am old. Just get a Casper, people. Maybe an egg crate topper.
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George H.W. oval office posted:Check out Hastens mattresses. Known for their horsehair stuffing. Can run up to 100,000 very easily. Yeah gotta get that horsehair mattress topper. https://youtu.be/ooWd_9OAAUg
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I did a ton of research here: https://www.themattressunderground.com/ before buying a mattress.
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It's BWM if you have to buy expensive things to shut your partner up
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My upstairs neighbor is very proud of his bed that can adjust up so it’s basically a recliner. It also vibrates. Gotta day that must be pretty nice. I’m of the opinion that the response to your SO wanting to buy a $3,000 mattress should be “we’re not financing a loving mattress.”
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May 13, 2018 02:39
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22 Eargesplitten posted:My upstairs neighbor is very proud of his bed that can adjust up so it’s basically a recliner. It also vibrates. Gotta day that must be pretty nice. That reminds me of all the old TV gags that signaled you were in a bad hotel based on the quarter driven vibrating bed.
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I think the Mattress Wars article was linked last time this came up, it was an absolutely fascinating read: https://www.fastcompany.com/3065928/sleepopolis-casper-bloggers-lawsuits-underside-of-the-mattress-wars
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moana posted:I think the Mattress Wars article was linked last time this came up, it was an absolutely fascinating read: https://www.fastcompany.com/3065928/sleepopolis-casper-bloggers-lawsuits-underside-of-the-mattress-wars Whoa, pro click there.
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moana posted:I think the Mattress Wars article was linked last time this came up, it was an absolutely fascinating read: https://www.fastcompany.com/3065928/sleepopolis-casper-bloggers-lawsuits-underside-of-the-mattress-wars Ugh. We need a new mattress and I was thinking of going online. Now I don't know who is left worth buying from. Capitalism sucks sometimes.
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moana posted:I think the Mattress Wars article was linked last time this came up, it was an absolutely fascinating read: https://www.fastcompany.com/3065928/sleepopolis-casper-bloggers-lawsuits-underside-of-the-mattress-wars Was going to post this, an excellent read. I had no idea there was so much tied to these online reviews.
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werdnam posted:Ugh. We need a new mattress and I was thinking of going online. Now I don't know who is left worth buying from. Capitalism sucks sometimes. Yeah I don't know why the invisible hand of the market chose mattresses of all things to slather in a heaping level of marketing bullshit to the point that comparison shopping in virtually impossible. It really seems like which series of rectangular layers of cloth and foam will work for sleeping would have really been a problem humanity had solved by now. "Here are a dozen mattresses that look and feel almost identical aside from the buzzwords we put on the sign and the number of zeros on the price. And of course I assume you'll be wanting the nanotech memory foam sleep topper with a multizone mattress core AT A MINIMUM if you want proper back support. I can show you one without it but you might as well be sleeping on a granite slab like a caveman."
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Huge profit margins and a customer base that averages 10y+ between purchases is a recipe for lovely marketing practices. How huge are the margins? Big enough that upstarts can come in to "disrupt" the brick-and-mortar market - easily - and still reap massive profits. Once the foam memory manufacturing process got to the point where cheap delivery was economical the gloves came off.
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Sorry if I missed this earlier but is there a mattress thread? Would love to hear goonpinions but don't want to derail the BWM thread.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:The law tends to err on the side of favoring tenants over landlords since one way someone is out some money, the other way someone (and their family) is homeless. IIRC, the USA specifically has a lot of laws to favour tenants specifically because of the Great Depression leading to shanty towns and everything. Most landlords nowadays get around that by dispensing with tenants whenever possible. Can't lose value on a condo with no tenants!
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werdnam posted:Ugh. We need a new mattress and I was thinking of going online. Now I don't know who is left worth buying from. Capitalism sucks sometimes. If you're ok with doing a bit of research you can buy the sheets of foam and make your trendy new foam mattress. You can glue the parts together once your comfort is dialed in, if you want. Search around for other folk's "recipes" and opinions about top layer preferences. Basic guide: https://www.foambymail.com/blog/diy-casper-foam-mattress/ Dillbag posted:Sorry if I missed this earlier but is there a mattress thread? Would love to hear goonpinions but don't want to derail the BWM thread. It's in A/T https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3813333&pagenumber=1&perpage=40
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The Juicero guy is now into raw water https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oI-Ye8SP708
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Ghost Leviathan posted:IIRC, the USA specifically has a lot of laws to favour tenants specifically because of the Great Depression leading to shanty towns and everything. It varies a LOT state by state, and evictions are surprisingly common, especially for a subset of people who are having a hard time meeting ends meet. There was a recent NYT article about it. A lot of people who get evicted, get evicted multiple times per year, and are often on the verge of homelessness. These are some BWM stories, but they're far too sad to be funny: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/04/07/upshot/millions-of-eviction-records-a-sweeping-new-look-at-housing-in-america.html
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ma i married a tuna posted:It varies a LOT state by state, and evictions are surprisingly common, especially for a subset of people who are having a hard time meeting ends meet. There was a recent NYT article about it. A lot of people who get evicted, get evicted multiple times per year, and are often on the verge of homelessness. These are some BWM stories, but they're far too sad to be funny:
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MisterOblivious posted:If you're ok with doing a bit of research you can buy the sheets of foam and make your trendy new foam mattress. You can glue the parts together once your comfort is dialed in, if you want. Search around for other folk's "recipes" and opinions about top layer preferences. Jesus  I need a new mattress and I didn't realize the market was so hosed up
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We got an Avocado Green mattress based on the consumer reports review, and it's turned out to be pretty drat comfortable. Who wants to destroy my happiness and tell me consumer reports is also in the pocket of big mattress?
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John Smith posted:How do these people convince the next landlord to rent to them then? A lot of amateur landlords don't really screen tenants, there is a subset of shady landlords who specifically deal with marginal tenants with this kind of problem history for example in trailer parks or motels, and sometimes it is possible to duck from state-to-state and stay under the radar of a tenant screen in some cases. There is also the age-old tactic of renting under one name and then moving in family members or significant others with problem histories after the lease is signed and keys are headed over. You are right though, if you are dealing in a place like New York City where there are robust tenant blacklists, then it is hard to do.
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John Smith posted:How do these people convince the next landlord to rent to them then? I was duped by being naive and trusting of my fellow human.
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moana posted:I think the Mattress Wars article was linked last time this came up, it was an absolutely fascinating read: https://www.fastcompany.com/3065928/sleepopolis-casper-bloggers-lawsuits-underside-of-the-mattress-wars Yeah this was a great read and surprise surprise as it turns out the end game of any review site or whatever where the reviewer directly makes their income off of affiliate marketing is becoming a wholly-owned loving subsidiary paid shill. Or alternately as proven with that Student Loan website the supposed person behind the site was a completely fictitious corporate manufactured persona in the first place. Consumers simply cannot win when are buckets full of money big enough to drown any truth in the market.
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I buy my mattresses from a guy that gets the ones that the factory rejects or the delivery drivers drop in the dirt or warehouse guys screw up.. He has a warehouse in an industrial park and you just drive there and pick out the one you want.
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There's no such thing as ethical consumption under sleeperism. I just said gently caress it and bought a Casper.
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We put off buying a new bed when we really should have for about 5 years, so when it finally came time to buy and we waded into the affiliate marketing/research hellscape that is mattress-ville we ended up plunking down $3,000. It was a combination of restitution to ourselves for not replacing sooner, hatred for the market (so we wanted something that we wouldn't have to replace for over a decade), and uncertainty. Also they threw in some nice frames and side-tables, bedding, and had someone deliver it, assemble it, disassemble the old bed, and move the old one to a family members house for us (to serve as a guest bed). It's a good bed, but neither of us felt great about the decision. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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BEHOLD: MY CAPE posted:A lot of amateur landlords don't really screen tenants, there is a subset of shady landlords who specifically deal with marginal tenants with this kind of problem history for example in trailer parks or motels, and sometimes it is possible to duck from state-to-state and stay under the radar of a tenant screen in some cases. There is also the age-old tactic of renting under one name and then moving in family members or significant others with problem histories after the lease is signed and keys are headed over. You are right though, if you are dealing in a place like New York City where there are robust tenant blacklists, then it is hard to do. I don't get the business model here. I am not judging their ethics, I am genuinely unclear on the business model where you willingly accept / welcome problematic tenants. FateFree posted:I was duped by being naive and trusting of my fellow human.
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John Smith posted:I don't get the business model here. I am not judging their ethics, I am genuinely unclear on the business model where you willingly accept / welcome problematic tenants. Probably the same way that subprime lenders make money. Obscenely high rates, huge deposits, and an added bonus of putting as little money into the place as possible without running afoul of the local landlord-tenant law.
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If you only rent to one person and you get unlucky with a problem tenant, you’re hosed. But if you rent to a hundred, you just accept that one or two of them will be a problem and split the cost of that across the other 98 tenants.
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22 Eargesplitten posted:without running afoul of the local landlord-tenant law. lol
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The scuzzy landlord business model relies on charging too much and letting a few missed payments slide "as a favor" as long the tenant is willing to ignore things like the place being legally uninhabitable
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In that book "$2.00 a Day" the author talks about how some of the buildings are so lovely that they would be a tear-down if the landlord didn't rent them cheap to desperate people, but if the landlord does basically any maintenance at all there is no profit in it. So they keep their costs down by not fixing anything and booting anyone who complains.
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When I did community mental health one of my families was perpetually behind on rent for a trailer where literally all of the plumbing but the toilet just ended in open pipes under the the floor
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El Mero Mero posted:We put off buying a new bed when we really should have for about 5 years, so when it finally came time to buy and we waded into the affiliate marketing/research hellscape that is mattress-ville we ended up plunking down $3,000. It was a combination of restitution to ourselves for not replacing sooner, hatred for the market (so we wanted something that we wouldn't have to replace for over a decade), and uncertainty. Also they threw in some nice frames and side-tables, bedding, and had someone deliver it, assemble it, disassemble the old bed, and move the old one to a family members house for us (to serve as a guest bed). Is going to a store that isn't 100% dedicated to mattresses and seeing which one you like impossible now? John Smith posted:How do these sub-prime landlords administer these tenants though? Isn't the entire logic behind refusing Section 8 vouchers because problematic tenants eat up your profits? Charge a bit of a premium, and they have an attorney that can get them out within a month or two if need be. With Section 8, you have to fill out like 30 forms and be willing to be inspected by HUD. Then when the tenant trashes the place, HUD responds with tough poo poo. Harry fucked around with this message at 18:55 on May 13, 2018 |
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CheesyDog posted:When I did community mental health one of my families was perpetually behind on rent for a trailer where literally all of the plumbing but the toilet just ended in open pipes under the the floor How was their life in Sudden Valley.
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