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The dumbest confederate flag image is the first Goatsnake album where it's on a Viking ship or something. They're from LA.
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Helluva posted:Earth (Dylan Carlson) had a t-shirt with a wolf and the Confederate flag. They quickly pulled it but it was manufactured. The art was done. I checked again if there was anything suspicious and here we are folks. What the gently caress are you talking about
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Helluva posted:Check his new girlfriend and what she does. Maybe just post
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Quantum of Phallus posted:What the gently caress are you talking about You have this band. You want T-shirts made so people can wear them. You're going to want some artwork for this. "Hey we want you to draw a wolf." "Yeah, the confederate flag on the back as well." T-shirts get made, HEAVY feedback on Facebook and they pull it immediately. So what is he up to these days? Romanticizing violent colonization and genocide? His wife is a belly dancer from the U.K. Pretty exotic. Maybe he should have her as the album cover.
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Jan 13, 2024 22:13
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You tell us. I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about. Are you high??
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Jan 13, 2024 22:15
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Quantum of Phallus posted:You tell us. I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about. Are you high?? I ordered this very cool wolf head t-shirt back in 2011-2012 from Earth and didn't realize there was a Confederate flag behind the wolf's head. They made a refund and pulled the t-shirt from the store.
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That's the one part that nobody here is confused by
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HenryJLittlefinger posted:That's the one part that nobody here is confused by Well then goes on and marries a "belly dancer", which most whites find exotic. Then he made an album named "Conquistador" with his wife's profile on the album cover.
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Jan 13, 2024 22:33
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Helluva posted:Well then goes on and marries a "belly dancer", which most whites find exotic. Then he made an album named "Conquistador" with his wife's profile on the album cover. ????????????
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Jan 13, 2024 22:35
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Helluva posted:You have this band. You want T-shirts made so people can wear them. You're going to want some artwork for this. The only part of this I understood is that you claim either Earth or Dylan Carlson made some questionable shirts and recalled them when it was made clear to them they were bad. Assuming that's true, I'm not sure what you would have wanted them to do at that point? Keeping selling them seems obviously wrong. I did some quick searches and can't find anything about this. I'm not on Facebook, but I do follow Earth on bandcamp and haven't seen any new merch from them recently. I don't believe either Earth or Carlson are currently on tour, nor am I aware of upcoming releases. What I did find when looking was that Carlson donated a guitar and amp head toward a Black Lives Matter fundraiser run by Sargent House, and actively promoted this on facebook in 2020.
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Quantum of Phallus posted:???????????? I was trying not to disrespect your intelligence. I just think she is a trophy person.
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What a bizarre thing to say about a person. I think you're a weirdo
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Quantum of Phallus posted:What a bizarre thing to say about a person. I think you're a weirdo I am a weirdo. I met him personally and he was a very wholesome person, very down to Earth. I still think there is something problematic about it though. Visions of Valerie posted:The only part of this I understood is that you claim either Earth or Dylan Carlson made some questionable shirts and recalled them when it was made clear to them they were bad. Assuming that's true, I'm not sure what you would have wanted them to do at that point? Keeping selling them seems obviously wrong. Maybe he wanted to rectify something?
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Zoben posted:So only the first album grabbed ya? I'm just wondering. I think that their pre-CFH catalog is nothing to be ashamed of, it's pure stupid ridiculous glam party fun. Power Metal is actually very CFH-like and some of the songs would have worked on CFH. Dime shredded like hell on every album, so if you're a fan of solos it was good stuff. I like riffs more than solos but Dime had those covered as well. Yes but im def a huge glam metal guy and not much into the traditional Pantera sound, so it was glam+dime solos=good stuff
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Jan 13, 2024 22:48
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I have an Earth shirt that rules and is not racist, thanks for listening
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Visions of Valerie posted:So your contention is that Carlson wanted to make up for supposed past mistakes, and this is bad somehow? It's not bad at all, I still listen to his stuff. I just wanted to add stuff to Phil talk. Sorry for the unnecessary diversion. Helluva fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Jan 13, 2024 |
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Jan 13, 2024 22:51
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My wife did some bellydancing classes with her girlfriends, am I racist now? 
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HenryJLittlefinger posted:My wife did some bellydancing classes with her girlfriends, am I racist now? That's not what I said. Same thing with the Swastika and the Rising Sun flag. You can't plead ignorance about it as a grown rear end person. You may like it aesthetically but it entails so many horrible stories. Same thing with conquistadors. I get the romantic appeal, but what it means for so many people is a reason enough to stop fetishizing it. You're speaking as if conquistadors brought joy and health to the indigenous people of the Americas. Helluva fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Jan 13, 2024 |
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This has gone in a really weird direction. Let's put it to bed unless something more explicit comes out about Carlson/Earth.
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Henchman of Santa posted:This has gone in a really weird direction. Let's put it to bed unless something more explicit comes out about Carlson/Earth. I'll scout for the image later, meanwhile: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3OX7xw4nRg
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Helluva posted:You can't plead ignorance about it as a grown rear end person. You may like it aesthetically but it entails so many horrible stories.
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HenryJLittlefinger posted:No, gently caress off with this, nobody here has made these claims. You, however, are making some very specific claims supported by a bulletin board full of red yarn. Yes, I should've found the picture first. Sorry for that.
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This is a bizarre set of vague accusations, I'm really not even sure what you're claiming about Carlson. I found an interview with him about Conquistador, if he's a committed white supremacist I'm struggling to see it. https://sargenthouse.com/blogs/earth-news/posts/5229559/interview-with-dylan-carlson-new-noise-magazine quote:But yeah, the thematic content is more to do more with American stuff like the West, and it’s like Hex… in that it’s like a soundtrack to an imaginary film in certain ways. So, I guess you could say, thematically, it’s like a branch of the Hex… side of things: the interest in what’s now the Western United States—what was, at one point, Mexico and, before that, was native—but I guess that’s how they’re all tied together. At least in my head. quote:I mean, it’s not based on any specific text. The idea was left over in my head from when I was a kid in middle school. I lived in Texas, and we had Texas history classes. There was this conquistador who had a Moorish companion called Esteban traveling in what was then Northern Mexico. They basically got lost for 20 years and, then, made it back to what’s now Texas and the Gulf of Mexico. I think they got as far as what’s now Utah and ended up being sold into slavery by one tribe and escaping that and living with other tribes. Things didn’t go as planned, I guess you could say. quote:The oldest history of the country and the landscape has been destroyed and lost and has to be discovered in different ways. There was a concerted effort to eradicate the native population, and then, the ones they couldn’t eradicate, to eradicate their languages and histories, and that has left the landscape wide open to a lot of interpretations. Then, the history that is there—obviously, because it’s written by the so-called winners—it doesn’t go back very far in some places. I mean, it does, really, but again, a lot of that is closed to the traditional methods of investigation: there’s no books and no maps.
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big scary monsters posted:This is a bizarre set of vague accusations, I'm really not even sure what you're claiming about Carlson. I found an interview with him about Conquistador, if he's a committed white supremacist I'm struggling to see it. Excuse me for being vague. This event took place circa their "Angels of Darkness, Demons of Light" tour. I can't find much information about it. I wouldn't call him a white supremacist. Maybe he took it down when he saw it. I'm just trying to discuss whether fashioning the Confederate battle flag is racist enough to dismiss the person. (Not from the Anglosphere, I don't actually know how offensive it actually is.) OK.  Phil Anselmo says it's regional pride. Should we buy this as well? Anyway. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1YwoFCYFLs Helluva fucked around with this message at 01:03 on Jan 14, 2024 |
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I was ready to give Dylan the benefit of the doubt until I heard he married a bellydancer, now he’s on my poo poo list. Until I marry a belly dancer it isn’t ok for anyone else to marry one 
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Snowy posted:I was ready to give Dylan the benefit of the doubt until I heard he married a bellydancer, now he’s on my poo poo list. I deserve the jokes, fair and square. Belly dancing is VERY common where I live, it is not exotic for me. I understand now how my argumentation reads 
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Stoner/doom/sludge: is it racist to marry a belly dancer?
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Belly dancing to me seems about as exotic as going for an Indian takeaway. I do enjoy the occasional lamb rogan josh with a ridiculously oversized naan, cancel me if you must.
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Henchman of Santa posted:Same reasons a lot of people do, I think. Confederate flag poo poo aside, they’re kind of the poster children for performative macho bullshit in metal, done in complete earnestness without any sort of camp or charm to them. Really cheesy but not endearingly so. Just a rancid vibes band. Groove metal is also one of the worst subgenres. All of the bands most obviously inspired by them are terrible, as are all of the 80s thrash bands’ attempts to transition to groove because of Pantera’s success (I will give them that they are much better than their imitators). I appreciate your well stated answer, and I can certainly see some of your points. "but there’s too much stuff competing for my attention to bother with making an effort to reconnect with Pantera" This is 100% correct. It's been quite a while since I've sat down and listened to bands I loved two decades ago when there is so much awesome stuff available for music fans than ever before. Most, if not all of the people I know are so stuck in what they grew up listening to have not moved forward in finding new and more exciting music. That just blows my mind. Sharing new music I discover with friends, family, or acquaintances? That ain't happening. Henchman of Santa posted:This has gone in a really weird direction. Let's put it to bed unless something more explicit comes out about Carlson/Earth. Whoops. I'll take the blame for this mess. 
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I’m looking forward to the new Down and just hope they swing by NYC on the next tour.
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Going to learn how to belly dance to Sunn.
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Bellydancing discourse in the sludge thread lmao
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every time this thread has 50 new posts in a weekend I think someone from sabbath died I think dylan is divorced from the belly dancer now anyway
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Ingmar terdman posted:I think dylan is divorced from the belly dancer now anyway The healing has begun
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Ingmar terdman posted:every time this thread has 50 new posts in a weekend I think someone from sabbath died Haha! Same.
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Coughs Still They Pray is just so loving good. It really is peak doom metal. It just never gets old. (Sorta biased cause I met my wife at a Cough show.)
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Helluva posted:Well then goes on and marries a "belly dancer", which most whites find exotic. Then he made an album named "Conquistador" with his wife's profile on the album cover. OH poo poo NEW EATH ALBUM????????? Edit: read the rest and uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh what Eat The Rich fucked around with this message at 13:56 on Jan 15, 2024 |
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Eat The Rich posted:Coughs Still They Pray is just so loving good. It really is peak doom metal. It just never gets old. Did that band just silently go away? I full subscribe to this opinion. It's just so drat bleak and dank. I love it, but also sad that they just faded into oblivion.
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Snowy posted:I was ready to give Dylan the benefit of the doubt until I heard he married a bellydancer, now he’s on my poo poo list. she seems pretty cool https://beautyandstyleedit.com/holl...0her%20passion. quote:What are you listening to at the moment? quote:You’re hosting a dinner party, who is on the guest list and what would be on the menu?
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