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Cythereal posted:To be fair, the original Men of Iron have shown up in one book and they were goddamn horrifying. I'd have no trouble with the idea of an AI daemon prince. It was kind of funny to me seeing Abnett going with Screamers instead of the obvious inspiration.  Azubah posted:There was a short story in Let the Galaxy Burn that implied that some of the iron men survived as head implants, not full bodies. So, like Cybrids?
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I have to admit - I did a lol while reading Fabius Bile: Primogenitor. It was a conversation early in the book, when one of the apothecaries is walking with his buddy/rival. He sees the sword the other guy is carrying, and says something like "That sword is worthy of a mighty warrior. What are you doing with it?"
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Hello BL Thread. Are there any Age of Sigmar novels worth reading?
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I wonder if now that the 40k story line is going forwards if ADB will be allowed to write stuff past that point in his own novels
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Endman posted:Hello BL Thread. City of Secrets is pretty good, the Sylvaneth and Pestillens short story collections are alright as well. There's a new series called Eight Lamentations coming out soon that sounds pretty promising for some more WHFB flavoured 'Ham.
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So, after years of poking and prodding and getting distracted, I finally managed to sit down with a full length Abnett Warhammer novel and just read through. Blood Pact, which I know is a bit late in the Gaunt series, but it was just there on the library shelf, figured I might as well get some literary education. It was, as promised, good. Definitely seeing if the library's got Eisenhorn. Seems the proper thing to do.
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Jun 24, 2017 11:26
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I started reading that Carcharodons book and having just finished Carrion Throne, which was good, it is one hell of a contrast. The prose is awkward and sounds like a product catalogue. The characterisation is pretty poo poo so far as well. There is an Arbitrator who acts, and is treated, like a teenager on Work Experience. My word what a stinker.
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Jun 24, 2017 15:33
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Well, isn't she kind of exactly that? The author made a point to say all she'd done up until that assignment was simulations and classroom exercises. Totally agree with the rest- the characterization of the marines was absolute crap, the captain and librarian were especially heinous.
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Jun 24, 2017 15:51
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Just finished Eisenhorn, now picked up Ravenor. I felt that the ending was a bit too rushed. But i guess that is typical for Abnett from what i have read here.
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Immanentized posted:Well, isn't she kind of exactly that? The author made a point to say all she'd done up until that assignment was simulations and classroom exercises. No, not really. Or at least, she shouldn't be. The Arbites are the jackbooted thugs of the Imperium. Ideologically pure and rigorously trained/indoctrinated. She starts the book like a pupil not paying attention in class, and then gets treated almost like a secretary in Mad Men. It just doesn't jive with what she is meant to be and how she would have got to where she was. Contrast to Shira Calpurnia.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:No, not really. Or at least, she shouldn't be. The Arbites are the jackbooted thugs of the Imperium. Ideologically pure and rigorously trained/indoctrinated. She starts the book like a pupil not paying attention in class, and then gets treated almost like a secretary in Mad Men. It just doesn't jive with what she is meant to be and how she would have got to where she was. Contrast to Shira Calpurnia. How she got to where she was, was getting posted to that prison world directly out of the schola progenium with zero practical experience. The other arbitrators were being jerks about it, but that's the fact of the matter,
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chiasaur11 posted:So, after years of poking and prodding and getting distracted, I finally managed to sit down with a full length Abnett Warhammer novel and just read through. Blood Pact, which I know is a bit late in the Gaunt series, but it was just there on the library shelf, figured I might as well get some literary education. One of us one of us
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mllaneza posted:How she got to where she was, was getting posted to that prison world directly out of the schola progenium with zero practical experience. The other arbitrators were being jerks about it, but that's the fact of the matter, And by graduation the Schola Progenium has more in common with HMS Lympstone than it does Bayside High. By all means, you can have people being dicks to the new arrival, but as written it is just so... tonally inappropriate to the setting. To be frank, I rather suspect more thought has gone into the character on this page than the entire process of writing the book.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:And by graduation the Schola Progenium has more in common with HMS Lympstone than it does Bayside High. By all means, you can have people being dicks to the new arrival, but as written it is just so... tonally inappropriate to the setting. Galactic Common core is a hellavua thing. Mail in a vote of "No" to your local Schola and report yourself for sedition to your nearest ministorum office.
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How do you gently caress up a book about power armored Mauri warriors with shark shaped power claws sailing through space looking for poo poo to wreck like sharks following the scent of blood in water?
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Jun 25, 2017 03:54
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Primarily? By having no skill or sophistication as an author of fiction.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:
Your instincts are pretty accurate. And I suggest just quitting the book now. You will not feel any joy for sticking with it the further you delve. And the end is infuriating. I've said it before, I'll say it again: Carcharadons is Blue Balls: The Book.
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Jun 25, 2017 08:06
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Counterpoint: it's cool as hell
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Space sharkkkkks space sharkkkkkkkkksss Sharks on space, oh sharks in space How do you gently caress up sharks in space Space sharks space sharks with lasers snd poo poo Space sharks oh yeaaaa space sharkkkksss Space sharkkkkkkkkkkkkkkssssss *hails satan*
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Lead Psychiatry posted:Your instincts are pretty accurate. And I suggest just quitting the book now. You will not feel any joy for sticking with it the further you delve. And the end is infuriating. I think I'll take your advice. I can enjoy reading trash, but not incompetently crafted trash is utterly joyless.
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Biplane posted:Counterpoint: it's cool as hell Please elaborate. From my experience it sucks.
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Man, I've been into 40k lore since before 2nd edition and I've always considered myself pretty knowledgeable of the universe despite a large gap during all the star child nonsense. But after the Men of Iron chat earlier I started browsing Lexicanum to catch up and realised I'd never even heard of the Men of Stone. What is it with GW dropping random poo poo in to pick up on years later? Like how Space Crusade (gateway drug game) had "Androids" that would later become Necrons?
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:I started reading that Carcharodons book and having just finished Carrion Throne, which was good, it is one hell of a contrast. The prose is awkward and sounds like a product catalogue. The characterisation is pretty poo poo so far as well. There is an Arbitrator who acts, and is treated, like a teenager on Work Experience. Arbitrators being hated the Imperium over is my favorite part about them. Oh no, we're not cops, we're the secret police that keep everyone loyal. An entire galactic caste of Judge Dredds. Shia Calpurnia and the utter bullshit that is the ending of book two/start of book three is basically my go-to example for how the Imperium's justice works when people who are new to Rogue Trader ask.
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Relevant Tangent posted:Arbitrators being hated the Imperium over is my favorite part about them. Oh no, we're not cops, we're the secret police that keep everyone loyal. An entire galactic caste of Judge Dredds. Shia Calpurnia and the utter bullshit that is the ending of book two/start of book three is basically my go-to example for how the Imperium's justice works when people who are new to Rogue Trader ask. Except they're not the secret police. That's the Inquisition.
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No, the Inquisition is the secret secret police.
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The Arbites are the SA, the Inquisition are the Gestapo.
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The Arbites are cops. Horrible, oppressive and trigger happy cops, but cops. Read Ravenor - there's some great stuff about Arbites being annoyed at how they only get second rate cogitators to do their paperwork
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Lead Psychiatry posted:Your instincts are pretty accurate. And I suggest just quitting the book now. You will not feel any joy for sticking with it the further you delve. And the end is infuriating. The Interrogator framing sequences didn't help. The whole thing kinda worked, lots of action but all involving characters who only kind of sold the setup. But any setup where you have space shark space marines fighting loving Night Lords and it doesn't turn out awesome is a waste.
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Endman posted:The Arbites are cops. Horrible, oppressive and trigger happy cops, but cops. I just started Ravenor, enjoying it so far. Does Eisenhorn play a role in this trilogy, or just cameos?
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mllaneza posted:The Interrogator framing sequences didn't help. The whole thing kinda worked, lots of action but all involving characters who only kind of sold the setup. But any setup where you have space shark space marines fighting loving Night Lords and it doesn't turn out awesome is a waste. I can't even remember most of the fighting. There was a tank in a tunnel and some ninja flying slashing attack , and that's where my memory ends. A tank. In a tunnel. Woo. Maybe would've worked if it had a rear guard instead of being blown up in less than three paragraphs. But whatever.
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rocket_man38 posted:I just started Ravenor, enjoying it so far. Does Eisenhorn play a role in this trilogy, or just cameos? Abnett has a Ravenor vs Eisenhorn trilogy in the works as well, in which Eisenhorn plays a pretty major role. He has written one book so far (Pariah) with the rest nowhere to be seen, unfortunately. You'll probably want to finish the Ravenor books (and Eisenhorn if you haven't) before getting started on it, assuming picking up a trilogy that most likely won't be finished for years to come is something you want to do at all.
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Lead Psychiatry posted:I can't even remember most of the fighting. There was a tank in a tunnel and some ninja flying slashing attack , and that's where my memory ends. A tank. In a tunnel. Woo. Maybe would've worked if it had a rear guard instead of being blown up in less than three paragraphs. But whatever. Still, I'll check out the next novel that author writes. It fell short, but he tried. If the next novel falls short I'll start getting salty.
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He's responsible for the Legacy of Russ series. But I haven't touched those so can't comment. And as much as I like Goodreads, I generally distrust the ratings on there.
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Cythereal posted:To be fair, the original Men of Iron have shown up in one book and they were goddamn horrifying. I'd have no trouble with the idea of an AI daemon prince. Which book was this?
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TheChirurgeon posted:Which book was this? It's one of the Horus Heresy audio dramas, Perpetual I think.
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Cythereal posted:It's one of the Horus Heresy audio dramas, Perpetual I think. thanks, I'll check it out.
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