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So i decided to read the first three books of Horus Heresy. Finished the first one and really liked it a lot. Onto "False Gods" now and i really enjoy it thus far. Not getting why a lot of people don't like it, but ill reserve judgement until i complete it.
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Jul 1, 2017 23:16
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rocket_man38 posted:So i decided to read the first three books of Horus Heresy. Finished the first one and really liked it a lot. Onto "False Gods" now and i really enjoy it thus far. Not getting why a lot of people don't like it, but ill reserve judgement until i complete it. False Gods is much maligned because of how lazy it is in turning Horus bad. He changes literally overnight, which is pretty lovely for not only a primarch but the primarch. Eisenhorn's corruption by Chaos is handled much much better, and he's just some normal inquisitor. Otherwise it's fairly okay.
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Jul 1, 2017 23:39
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:False Gods is much maligned because of how lazy it is in turning Horus bad. He changes literally overnight, which is pretty lovely for not only a primarch but the primarch. Eisenhorn's corruption by Chaos is handled much much better, and he's just some normal inquisitor. Otherwise it's fairly okay. Ah is it like Anakin Skywalker fast? That will be disappointing.
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Jul 1, 2017 23:57
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Doesn't he spend weeks in a tent having fevored nightmares before emerging as the a pawn of Chaos? It's written in a way that makes it seem sudden though. It's been a while since I read the initial trilogy.
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Jul 2, 2017 00:01
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he dies and they bring him back and he's evil it's so bad
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Jul 2, 2017 00:15
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rocket_man38 posted:Ah is it like Anakin Skywalker fast? That will be disappointing. At least with Anakin he turned over the course of a movie. It felt like it was just a single chapter between "Horus is a good and morally upstanding and friendly guy" to "Horus is a moustache twiddling bastard that eats children for breakfast". At least Anakin paused before killing the younglings.
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Jul 2, 2017 00:19
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:At least with Anakin he turned over the course of a movie. It felt like it was just a single chapter between "Horus is a good and morally upstanding and friendly guy" to "Horus is a moustache twiddling bastard that eats children for breakfast". At least Anakin paused before killing the younglings. And it's weird, because they do start with the roots of a better fall. Showing his ambition, his self-doubts when things start to come apart and might tarnish his image, wondering if others like Sanguinius might have been better for the job, wanting to try negotiation with an offshoot of humanity instead of genocide for once... Then they just shift into the weird dream-conversion. It feels like the series really needed an extra book in the middle, to show his talks with Erebus and how they were affecting him, maybe learning of darker secrets of the Imperium from Curze or Magnus, or even learning some of the Emperor's more pitiless designs for the future and for the primarchs, and struggling between his being loyal to his own vision and his father's, which _then_ Chaos could subvert.
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Jul 2, 2017 00:32
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Also, the Space Marines in False Gods use "Throne!" as an exclamation. Before anybody knew about the Golden Throne
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Jul 2, 2017 01:06
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Throne is just another world for the shitter and it works if you imagine them speaking about a toilet.
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Jul 2, 2017 01:14
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Think it was a story in Galaxy in Flames where Curze meets with Lionel Johnston about joining the Heresy and they end up coming to blows while Curze screams "Savage weapons! Thats what he(Horus) told me! Were savage weapons!" from that and Horus Rising i thought his fall would be more about giving up because he cant live up to some high standard he imagines he should and not being able to accomplish his goals ideally as he wants so he ends up just wrecking dads stuff like Peturabo does to his own legion because "I learned it from watching you dad!" as he Chaoses up the galaxy. Guess literal "got corrupted one day" is just as good as fleshing all that out.
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Jul 2, 2017 03:09
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MariusLecter posted:Think it was a story in Galaxy in Flames where Curze meets with Lionel Johnston about joining the Heresy and they end up coming to blows while Curze screams "Savage weapons! Thats what he(Horus) told me! Were savage weapons!" from that and Horus Rising i thought his fall would be more about giving up because he cant live up to When you put it like that, Magnus's fall is way more believable. My favorite part about Horus's fall is where he literally dismisses Magnus and Loken explaining in great detail how Erebus betrayed him, with "No, it's cool. We're past that now."
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Jul 2, 2017 04:42
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Wait, where does Magnus come into that?
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Jul 2, 2017 05:41
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Duzzy Funlop posted:Wait, where does Magnus come into that? The Chaos God's show Horus visions of the future to convince him to get real mad at daddy. Magnus tells Horus that he is being manipulated and they have only shown one of many possible futures. Horus doesn't give a gently caress and tells Magnus to gently caress off.
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Jul 2, 2017 05:53
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When Erebus and the Mournival take Horus to the Temple of the Serpent Lodge on Davin, Magnus contacts Horus psychically to try to warn him while he was in his near-death dream state. E: Beat to it.
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Jul 2, 2017 05:53
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drat well i guess i will trudge through anyway. I do really like Loken, and some other minor characters at least.
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Jul 2, 2017 21:39
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I've been reading Sabbat Crusade. The small character bits for the ghosts have been decent so far. The Blood Bound by Rob Sanders was pretty crappy. Son of Sek was quite good but I wish it was just a bit longer. I thought that Nick Kyme's Volpone Blueblood story from the first anthology was merely alright, just starting Tempest now.
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Jul 2, 2017 22:09
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The gently caress was up with the Samstag/rescued princeps plotline in Titanicus? The other group with the salvaged Centaur at least had some purpose, albeit through a hard-to-believe MacGyver-esque commando development. The rescued princeps group was just...a wet fart? Does the princeps pop back up in another novel or storyline? This felt like Abnett wrapping loose ends up way too fast when it came close to the end.
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Jul 2, 2017 22:20
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Duzzy Funlop posted:This felt like Abnett wrapping loose ends up way too fast when it came close to the end. well, yeah
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Jul 2, 2017 22:21
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I think the arc was about Cally Samstag's doing an exemplary job taking charge in the field yet returning from the war to find her homelife ruined thanks to a number of awful coincidences beyond her control. She managed to keep most of her squad alive and did the Mechanicus a big service by saving the princeps, but the person she loved died all the same – because of the war, to be sure, though in a very remote way. It's a clichéd turn of events, arguably, but I felt it served its purpose.
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Jul 2, 2017 22:55
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And they name their cart Titanicus...at the end of the loving book. What the gently caress. It's like Abnett jumping from the page and screaming at me "SEE? IT MATTERED ALL ALONG!" Don't get me wrong, I liked the book, there are few things cooler than engine warfare, but drat...
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Jul 2, 2017 23:23
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Arcsquad12 posted:Son of Sek was quite good but I wish it was just a bit longer.
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Jul 3, 2017 02:37
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You mean the separation of third person and first person narration wasn't enough to differentiate the two characters? Or how the personalities start to blend when there isn't a break between the transition from first to third? I thought it was pretty intentional
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Jul 3, 2017 02:48
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Definitely intentional, but she didn't enjoy it and when I read it I was getting Joyce wannabe vibes the whole time. Left me distinctly 
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Jul 3, 2017 03:36
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Duzzy Funlop posted:And they name their cart Titanicus...at the end of the loving book. The small rag tag group mattered all along, yes. 
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Jul 3, 2017 03:50
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Eh fair enough. I thought it was a nice change of pace after the boring slog of the sanders story. Way to make space marine combat boring.
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Jul 3, 2017 03:50
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I'm enjoying the ravenor omnibus but I'm starting to see where abnett wanted to be doing comics instead. It's sort of xmen in space.
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Jul 3, 2017 04:47
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Yeah, but it's good
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Jul 3, 2017 05:16
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Arcsquad12 posted:Eh fair enough. I thought it was a nice change of pace after the boring slog of the sanders story. Way to make space marine combat boring.  40k OTT that I just kind of had to enjoy it.
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Jul 3, 2017 13:18
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I almost need to re-read the first anthology because I barely remember anything from it aside from the hammerking story. The sequel in the second anthology was pretty drat good though.
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Jul 3, 2017 14:14
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Well, Tempest was poo poo. At least when Abnett rushes an ending it is still an ending. Nick Kyme just stopped writing without resolving anything and then threw a half assed addendum onto the story. Stormtroopers arrive and set up a rivalry between themselves and the Volpone. Not resolved. Juba Klaye and the enemy psyker are the focal point of the assignment. Klaye gets shot and dies. Stormtroopers show up for two seconds and get ripped to shreds. Ardal's Valkyrie appears from off page in the middle of a paragraph and then vanishes again two paragraphs later. Fenk murders three people and is about to kill Culcis. Story ends. Learn to write a goddamn resolution. You can tell a story about an entire engagement going completely to hell, but it actually needs to end, not just stopping the story. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 04:57 on Jul 4, 2017 |
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Jul 3, 2017 19:51
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Has anybody seen examples of antimatter used in the 40k universe? I mean legit particle/anti-particle antimatter, not meltas vaporizing everything in sight.
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Jul 3, 2017 21:09
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Not by name, but an arguement could be made that it's what some capital scale "plasma" torpedoes do. ETA: Meltas are just microwave guns BTW.
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Jul 3, 2017 23:05
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Moose_Knuck posted:Has anybody seen examples of antimatter used in the 40k universe? I mean legit particle/anti-particle antimatter, not meltas vaporizing everything in sight. http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Conversion_Beamer Necrons also use anti-matter in their particle weapons and Death Sphere http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Death_Sphere
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Jul 3, 2017 23:17
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bango skank posted:just finished prospero burns there's some good abnett. Abnett isn't as consistent as ADB but he hits some really great moments a little bit better. I love this description from Know No Fear"So Empion's plan had also been dismissed, and Gage's alternative considered: put all power into the teleport system. Transfer a kill squad, maybe two if the power lasted, direct to the Zetsun Veris. Do it the old way." Plus you know, Void Guilliman.
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Jul 4, 2017 00:17
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Know No Fear also features an entire chapter describing an explosion. This is a good thing.
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Jul 4, 2017 02:36
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Vadoc posted:http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Conversion_Beamer We can produce anti-matter in our time with particle colliders, it's a wonder the Mechanicum hasn't figured out how to mass-produce the stuff and nuke the whole universe (and the immaterium for that matter). I guess it's cleverly gated by the DAOT and the Necrons (they have to wake up first, huh?). Thank you for the share. E: Arquinsiel posted:Not by name, but an arguement could be made that it's what some capital scale "plasma" torpedoes do. I think I found what you're talking about. It's kind of a lazy, catch-all weapon, but the statement "employ varying means of scouring the world's surface, from nucleonic fire..." could be interpreted as anti-matter. Moose_Knuck fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Jul 4, 2017 |
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Jul 4, 2017 04:36
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Hustlin Floh posted:Know No Fear also features an entire chapter describing an explosion. This is a good thing. It's a pretty cool explosion. Good writing for the Astartes just has to involve extreme violence. This chapter is one of the most sublime expressions of that rule.
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Jul 4, 2017 04:43
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Moose_Knuck posted:I think I found what you're talking about. It's kind of a lazy, catch-all weapon, but the statement "employ varying means of scouring the world's surface, from nucleonic fire..." could be interpreted as anti-matter.
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Jul 4, 2017 11:08
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Hustlin Floh posted:Know No Fear also features an entire chapter describing an explosion. This is a good thing. I liked the bit where it starts raining Baneblades (From a transport smashed apart in orbit).
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Jul 4, 2017 12:56
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Hustlin Floh posted:Know No Fear also features an entire chapter describing an explosion. This is a good thing. That entire chapter only covers a few seconds from when the hijacked ship enters the orbital yard to when the surviving pieces of wreckage come out the other side to burn up in Calth's atmosphere. Dan Abnett posted:“By the time it crosses the bow of the grand cruiser Suspiria Majestrix, shredding the mooring and fuelling lines that secure the famous vessel to its bulk tenders, the Campanile has begun to swat aside small craft, annihilating them against the front of its shields. The small ships disintegrate, fierce blue sparks fizzle against the shield shimmer: cargo boats, lighters, ferries, maintenance riggers. The Campanile‟s shield displacement hurls others out of the way like a tidal bore, swirling into each other, compressing them with gravimetric thrust, crashing them against the hulls of larger ships or the support cradles of the outer orbital yards. And then there's the chapter when the wreckage from this attack begins to fall to the surface.
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