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I am not saying you should try to sell UBI as a gateway to nationwide burner society or anything btw, that would obv be pretty dumb, but a lot of the underlying principles built around usng your time to help build a robust community for the benefit of others instead of persobal financial gain, and benefitting from them doing the same for you are pretty common to many places across rural America. Emphasize you can spend that time helping your comminity instead of your boss and give them some sort of organizational tools to make it happen
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don't give up mirthless, we can change this party. i think a lot of people are now coming to the realization that you are, and that I did. i think the success bernie sanders had in the primary speaks to the fact that there's a lot of hunger for the dems to grow a spine and start fighting back, and if the useless and clueless establishment won't get out of the way we can force them out via a tea-party of our own.
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Vlad Peeps posted:She had ground game. I know we like to say she spent her millions on confetti, computers, and weed, but she had like 3x as many campaign offices as Trump. She had 33 offices in Wisconsin, 23 in Michigan, and 36 in Ohio. Her campaign was pretty focused on those three states you said they ignored. First off, office count doesn't mean poo poo. Do I REALLY need to post the leak how Clinton's team deliberately ignored the rustbelt to bait Trump from ignoring it in some sad attempt at eleventh dimensional chess, that has been posted countless times in the thread already? Also turnout was only up due to third party candidates. Both the Democrats and the Republicans had less eligible voters turnout for their candidates than in 2012. punk rebel ecks has issued a correction as of 00:35 on Dec 7, 2016 |
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ubi is a weird capitalist stepping stone anyways, the idea is that essential resources like food and shelter should be provided by the state. i think selling it to people as a work-for-shelter program would appeal to the hyper-capitalist meritocrats that make up most of america, like you can live in a Freedom Apartment rent-free if you are willing to work. we don't even need to have tons of infrastructure makework, instead we could have the state contract with thousands of private employers to provide workers (like a giant recruitment agency) for a lump sum up front that would fund the Freedom Apartments and Freedom Meals. then the state turns around and provides those resources for free to workers in exchange for them taking shifts at the businesses. there's a wide variety of types of work represented so there's something for everyone who applies to do. the people are happy because they have food and shelter and are earning it through work. the businesses are happy because they don't have to worry about the hassle of providing insurance, doing payroll, etc., they just pay a fixed rate to the government. their workers are motivated since they know they lose their housing if they lose their jobs. bing bing bong so simple. of course even this is a mere stepping stone towards a truly socialist system but it's one that would be very palatable to the people who would never accept UBI. and make no mistake, taking people who want to work and telling them "no, UBI instead" is autocratic and dehumanizing. edit: obviously in this system health care is also a public good provided by the state for people and the concept of health "insurance" is obsolete, but we have to phsae that out gradually too, so we tell people they're on Freedomcare when they're in a Freedom Apartment and it's just like an insurance payment without premiums. also, people who wish to work above and beyond the requirement for a Freedom Apartment get cash to spend on luxury goods or whatever they want. DAD LOST MY IPOD has issued a correction as of 00:38 on Dec 7, 2016 |
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Venom Snake posted:If you want an excellent example of why the democratic establishment is garbage for babies and Florida is hell the Brevard County Democrats canceled tomorrows reorganizing/rebuilding meeting that I flew down here for because the rich couple hosting had to fly back to NY. loving kill me Ha ha what How can they do that? Is there like... an emergency? Did they reschedule? How come they can't just go on without them!
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Venom Snake posted:If you want an excellent example of why the democratic establishment is garbage for babies and Florida is hell the Brevard County Democrats canceled tomorrows reorganizing/rebuilding meeting that I flew down here for because the rich couple hosting had to fly back to NY. loving kill me Holy gently caress
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Just checked in to a hotel in Chicago. Should be a good couple of days of vacation. Going some museums, a concert, trying new restaurants. Let me just open up the curtains and check out the view...  God drat it. (this is really the view out of my windows currently)
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Venom Snake posted:If you want an excellent example of why the democratic establishment is garbage for babies and Florida is hell the Brevard County Democrats canceled tomorrows reorganizing/rebuilding meeting that I flew down here for because the rich couple hosting had to fly back to NY. loving kill me I see nothing has changed.
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Zikan posted:that is florida as gently caress bernie sanders please save me and this awful state, i need you keith Grondoth posted:Ha ha what The rich NY couple had a family emergency. Right now were trying to convince the party people to just hold the meeting at our place because seriously what the gently caress.
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Grondoth posted:Ha ha what the only thing that makes sense is that it was being held at the NY couple's mcmansion because the party could save money rather then renting out a space it's loving dumb but it's the only think i could think of
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Zikan posted:the only thing that makes sense is that it was being held at the NY couple's mcmansion because the party could save money rather then renting out a space It's the classic "Well one thing went wrong so everything is hosed" poo poo that shows how spineless this party has become at the local level. There are plenty of people who could host and this meeting is to important to cancel
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Venom Snake posted:The rich NY couple had a family emergency. Right now were trying to convince the party people to just hold the meeting at our place because seriously what the gently caress. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ28FcRePAo Man. Even if the chairman isn't there you can go forward on important meetings. It's totally okay for someone to have to bail, that doesn't mean you stop what you're doing.
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Grondoth posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ28FcRePAo It does if you're a Democrat.
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Grondoth posted:Ha ha what everyone else in the room is just as rich and powerful
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Venom Snake posted:bernie sanders please save me and this awful state, i need you keith Venom Snake posted:It's the classic "Well one thing went wrong so everything is hosed" poo poo that shows how spineless this party has become at the local level. There are plenty of people who could host and this meeting is to important to cancel Sounds like you ought to be promoted to "rich NY family" for the good of the party. We can redistribute their wealth and power over to you once the full communism passes congress.
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Venom Snake posted:If you want an excellent example of why the democratic establishment is garbage for babies and Florida is hell the Brevard County Democrats canceled tomorrows reorganizing/rebuilding meeting that I flew down here for because the rich couple hosting had to fly back to NY. loving kill me Hold it any ways. Usurp the party from those bougie fucks. Then start the purge.
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Thoguh posted:Just checked in to a hotel in Chicago. Should be a good couple of days of vacation. Going some museums, a concert, trying new restaurants. Let me just open up the curtains and check out the view... dude, you can literally desensitize yourself and face trump
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MizPiz posted:Hold it any ways. Usurp the party from those bougie fucks. I'm going to try to get it to happen but signs are pointing at it being put off for a few weeks because "we can't change the meeting location on such short notice"  This why I'm happy that I'm going back to college lol
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Venom Snake posted:I'm going to try to get it to happen but signs are pointing at it being put off for a few weeks because "we can't change the meeting location on such short notice" :short: The gently caress year is this, 1820? Are all the attendees traveling to the meeting by Conestoga wagon and canal boat through hostile Seminole territory?
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They are changing the location either way. Its just that they want to change it to NOWHERE. Argggggh
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Nichael posted:Why do you even have to be in person for a meeting in 2016? The idea of managing a large meeting full of non tech people who will probably by having loads ofside communications by remote sounds like a nightmare, so... avoiding mass suicide?
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Well What Now posted:The gently caress year is this, 1820? Are all the attendees traveling to the meeting by Conestoga wagon and canal boat through hostile Seminole territory? it's florida dems so the answer is yes Nichael posted:Why do you even have to be in person for a meeting in 2016? 
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So apparently there is still a way for the dems to confirm Obamas candidate but it would require them to do something big and attention grabbing that would break decorum even if though it is technically allowed. General opinion is that they should not do it because it would make the republicans upset and we need to placate them by groveling, doing things they dont like might make them mad and that would be a bad look for us I say gently caress it. Appoint the guy you assholes, stop being loving cowards and grow some balls instead of handing them victories by taking the high road. loving FIGHT you assholes
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GlyphGryph posted:So apparently there is still a way for the dems to confirm Obamas candidate but it would require them to do something big and attention grabbing that would break decorum even if though it is technically allowed. I'm a little skeptical of this because if it were true I'd have seen at least one online petition in my inbox by now
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GlyphGryph posted:So apparently there is still a way for the dems to confirm Obamas candidate but it would require them to do something big and attention grabbing that would break decorum even if though it is technically allowed. i bet it's through the recess appointment method which doesn't work
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Condiv posted:and if the useless and clueless establishment won't get out of the way we can force them out via a tea-party of our own. GlyphGryph posted:So apparently there is still a way for the dems to confirm Obamas candidate but it would require them to do something big and attention grabbing that would break decorum even if though it is technically allowed. shrike82 posted:I might be misremembering but Venom Snake, weren't you the college kid that started off last year literally working for the HRC campaign and spouting her messaging on DnD? When did you cross over to being woke?
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shrike82 posted:I might be misremembering but Venom Snake, weren't you the college kid that started off last year literally working for the HRC campaign and spouting her messaging on DnD? When did you cross over to being woke? op of this thread dawg Well What Now posted:The gently caress year is this, 1820? Are all the attendees traveling to the meeting by Conestoga wagon and canal boat through hostile Seminole territory? pace: Steady
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Venom Snake posted:I'm going to try to get it to happen but signs are pointing at it being put off for a few weeks because "we can't change the meeting location on such short notice" congrats, you just found out that this party had nothing to do with political strategy and organizing and everything to do with kissing up to this rich couple.
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logikv9 posted:i bet it's through the recess appointment method which doesn't work No. Its a permanent appointment. The current argument as to why they wont and havent done it is because if they do the Republicans might use their majority to regain control of the court by stacking it, and that its best to just let them have the court at this point.
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shrike82 posted:I might be misremembering but Venom Snake, weren't you the college kid that started off last year literally working for the HRC campaign and spouting her messaging on DnD? When did you cross over to being woke? When the first part of you sentence ended in the election of Donald J Trump
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I found this article on this supposed plan: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/...land-Here-s-how which sounds like the fever dream of a dailyKOS writer
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Venom Snake posted:I'm going to try to get it to happen but signs are pointing at it being put off for a few weeks because "we can't change the meeting location on such short notice"
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Like even if it doesnt work in the end I would really like to see them loving try, its not like the opposition is playing by any self imposed rules here, I just want to see them fight dor anything at this point. Its not like they are going to be doing anything else for the next several years, go out with a bang instead of a whimper and do what you can to shed the image of being weak kneed pushovers
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:make a bigger loving stink about it, rally up the other people who are incredibly loving angry about this poo poo, drive it into the party leaders that this is why we lost every important loving thing I'll try dude but Iv gotta work on my college poo poo. I can only do so much as a 20 year old
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logikv9 posted:I found this article on this supposed plan: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/...land-Here-s-how it was evidently vetted as plausible by the lawyer who came up with reconciliation as the way to pass obamacare. i read about this like three or four tweets down the grapevine though, so who knows the bigger obstacle would be that obama would have to support the measure, and obama seems reluctant to support anything remotely controversial, however justified it would be in this case
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logikv9 posted:i admit i'm not an expert on congressional parliamentary procedure but i'm willing to bet neither is dailykos staff writer david waldman Venuz Patrol posted:it was evidently vetted as plausible by the lawyer who came up with reconciliation as the way to pass obamacare. i read about this like three or four tweets down the grapevine though, so who knows
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