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Sue Denim posted:I laughed in Breaking the Code when Edge and Christian were talking about how great Fozzy were, because it's exactly what someone who spent a decade and more around the crappy alternative rock WWE uses constantly for their songs and video packages would think was good metal. I think it's more likely they're being polite about a friend, rather than them never having heard any music outside of entrance themes for the last decade. Although that should be enforced by Vince for a laugh, especially for any office parties.
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Tonfa posted:Dolph's freefall down the card got me thinking, are there any other examples of a guy going from "top title contender" to "already in the ring..." in 2-3 months? Sheamus and Barrett come to mind, to a slightly lesser extent.
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May 8, 2011 16:04
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Chinston Wurchill posted:Sheamus and Barrett come to mind, to a slightly lesser extent. Swagger, although he's bouncing back by having Cole as a manager.
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May 8, 2011 16:06
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Kofi's had great pops, great matches, and the US/IC title more than he hasn't...yet he's been feudless, for the most part.
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May 8, 2011 16:32
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Gaz-L posted:Swagger, although he's bouncing back by managing Cole Fixed
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May 8, 2011 16:48
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Giedroyc posted:I think it's more likely they're being polite about a friend, rather than them never having heard any music outside of entrance themes for the last decade. Although that should be enforced by Vince for a laugh, especially for any office parties. I expect all WWE office parties are soundtracked by Yoshi Tatsu's theme on endless repeat.
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May 8, 2011 16:57
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The weirdest thing about Swagger is they had him beat Orton about as cleanly as he could in a No-DQ match. He beat Orton! And then next month he's jobbing to the Big Show.
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May 8, 2011 18:39
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That new masked wrestler TNA just debuted... do they seriously have him wrestle under special lighting like WWE does for Sin Cara? It looked that way in the clip I saw for the most recent botchamania and if so they are reaching new lows in being just a 'me too' promotion. Is it supposed to be a parody or something?
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May 8, 2011 22:39
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Mr. Carlisle posted:That new masked wrestler TNA just debuted... do they seriously have him wrestle under special lighting like WWE does for Sin Cara? It's Amazing Red under the mask, so yeah, it's a parody.
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May 8, 2011 22:43
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DEAR RICHARD posted:It's Amazing Red under the mask, so yeah, it's a parody. Bryan and Vinny probably summed it up best: "It's Red and Daniels, doing a Red and Daniels match and getting a quarter of the reaction because the crowd don't know Sangriento and don't care about Suicide."
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May 8, 2011 22:47
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PoO3 posted:not froot man, not froot at all... It was pretty froot how he was so dedicated to that joke, or dedicated to Word's Find and Replace, that he kept it up even in the chapter about Benoit's death.
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May 8, 2011 22:50
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DEAR RICHARD posted:It's Amazing Red under the mask, so yeah, it's a parody. The latest rumour doing the rounds is that they want a Mexican wrestler to play him, even so far as to have a worker in mind to do so, but they haven't approached him yet and so its Red under the mask until they do. It should be noted for people not paying attention to TNA, Red is also appearing as himself.
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May 8, 2011 23:00
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Sangriento literally means "bloody" Shouldn't it be Ric Flair's name?
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Skinty McEdger posted:The latest rumour doing the rounds is that they want a Mexican wrestler to play him, even so far as to have a worker in mind to do so, but they haven't approached him yet and so its Red under the mask until they do. I hope the guy they have in mind is several inches taller and about 40lb heavier.
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Jerusalem posted:I hope the guy they have in mind is several inches taller and about 40lb heavier. And then they hire Super Porky instead.
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Trollologist posted:Does anyone know why Jericho was picked to become the first undisputed champion? Because everything I've read seems to point out that Vince has never been very fond of Chris. HHH was out with an injury.
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I keep seeing "the WWE style" referenced. Can someone elaborate on what this is?
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Dickeye posted:I keep seeing "the WWE style" referenced. Can someone elaborate on what this is? Wrestling a style that is somewhat/mostly low-impact to mollify the effects on the body of constantly being on the road and performing live several times a week (Raw, Smackdown and House Shows) as well as keeping the audience from being burnt out on constantly over the top escalating performances/matches/stipulations. It's designed to prevent injury, burn-out (for wrestler and crowd alike) and increase the shelf life of a wrestler. Edit: There are also probably some technical niceties that are unique to WWE as well, but I wouldn't know what those are. I think maybe something like always facing a particular way for cameras etc but most of that stuff goes over my head.
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Dickeye posted:I keep seeing "the WWE style" referenced. Can someone elaborate on what this is? Vince has a very narrow range of match style he likes. For a match that goes some length, the typical style is a hot opening segment with a key spot that goes into a very slow heel heat segment heavy on emoting through facial expressions, which is the body of the match. From there you go into either a short face comeback of three to five moves (and a lot of the same guys do the same moves in the same order) that goes right to the finish or, in some main event matches, an elaborate finishing sequence. There are very few WWE matches that don't follow something approximating this formula, and they're frequently special occasions like "Undertaker at WrestleMania."
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The WWE ring is also larger than pretty much any ring out there so you'd have to learn how to move in it properly.
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When people refer to "WWE Style" derisively (which is nearly every time you see it) it usually refers to the absence of hardcore or potentially dangerous elements like chair shots to the head, bleeding, pile drivers and spinny-flippy top rope moves - generally for the reasons outlined by Jerusalem.
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Jetfire posted:When people refer to "WWE Style" derisively (which is nearly every time you see it) it usually refers to the absence of hardcore or potentially dangerous elements like chair shots to the head, bleeding, pile drivers and spinny-flippy top rope moves - generally for the reasons outlined by Jerusalem. But Mason Ryan is employed
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Jetfire posted:When people refer to "WWE Style" derisively (which is nearly every time you see it) it usually refers to the absence of hardcore or potentially dangerous elements like chair shots to the head, bleeding, pile drivers and spinny-flippy top rope moves - generally for the reasons outlined by Jerusalem. There's lots of other styles of wrestling that don't include "hardcore or potentially dangerously elements," and piledrivers and top rope moves don't belong in that list anyway. This is a real bad post.
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I often hear "blue chipper" referring to certain wrestlers or gimmicks, but I don't actually know what it means. The only wrestler I've heard described that way who didn't seem generic to me was Owen Hart, and I'm having trouble seeing the similarities between him and anyone else I've heard described in the same manner. Brief research shows that it refers to something viewed as a valuable asset, but I don't see the transition into a wrestling persona. So would anyone care to explain this to me?
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Salt In The Wound posted:I often hear "blue chipper" referring to certain wrestlers or gimmicks, but I don't actually know what it means. The only wrestler I've heard described that way who didn't seem generic to me was Owen Hart, and I'm having trouble seeing the similarities between him and anyone else I've heard described in the same manner. Brief research shows that it refers to something viewed as a valuable asset, but I don't see the transition into a wrestling persona. So would anyone care to explain this to me? Blue chipper means a highly touted newcomer, in gimmick context it is usually used to describe an immediately pushed face with no gimmick or a generic gimmick. I have no idea how Owen Hart could have ever been described as that. I think Jim Ross invented the wrestling version of the term (it's used to describe low-risk/high-yield stocks in reality), in describing Rocky Maivia. oldfan fucked around with this message at 04:26 on May 9, 2011 |
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jeffersonlives posted:There's lots of other styles of wrestling that don't include "hardcore or potentially dangerously elements," and piledrivers and top rope moves don't belong in that list anyway. This is a real bad post. Pile drivers are generally not used in WWE, and are potentially dangerous in exceptional cases (although how much more than any other move is of course debatable). Top rope moves like the shooting star press are limited to only a few people usually along the lines of one dude's signature move only, although to be fair documentation on that one is sketchy. My point is that a lot of those things aren't seen in WWE often, and people who slam WWE Style usually point out these details. These people are usually loving morons, of course.
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Jetfire posted:Pile drivers are generally not used in WWE, and are potentially dangerous in exceptional cases (although how much more than any other move is of course debatable). Top rope moves like the shooting star press are limited to only a few people usually along the lines of one dude's signature move only, although to be fair documentation on that one is sketchy. Everything in wrestling is potentially dangerous. Piledrivers are no more dangerous than anything else if you do it right. If they were, you would see tons of guys injured from Lawler and Bret Hart doing piledrivers all the time. But you don't see that. Because piledrivers being dangerous is a weird myth spread by the one time Austin broke his neck and tons of Memphis kayfabe.
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Cena tore his pec or whatever on a loving hip toss. I mean, it's silly to say that certain moves don't have more risk, but almost every move has a certain amount of risk.
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Mr. Carlisle posted:That new masked wrestler TNA just debuted... do they seriously have him wrestle under special lighting like WWE does for Sin Cara? Those weird dim lights are for TNA's secondary show that airs on a mystery channel in like three homes across the world. Xplosion or something. All the matches on that show look like that.
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Jetfire posted:Pile drivers are generally not used in WWE, and are potentially dangerous in exceptional cases (although how much more than any other move is of course debatable). Top rope moves like the shooting star press are limited to only a few people usually along the lines of one dude's signature move only, although to be fair documentation on that one is sketchy. I don't even know where to start here so here's some dreaded bulletpoints: - Piledrivers are banned because Undertaker dropped Triple H on his head in 2000 while he was dating Stephanie, and Triple H got real mad about it. Amusingly, Undertaker and Triple H are two of the only people allowed to use piledrivers, while Jerry Lawler can't use a safer version of the move that he's been doing for forty years. Go figure. Piledrivers in general are not dangerous when done properly. - "Top rope moves" encompasses such a wide variety of things that I can't even figure out where you're going there. Some guys can do a shooting star press very safely. Some guys can't even climb the ropes safely. - I have no idea why people who think "WWE style" is lame are "loving morons" because you've made no relevant point here. All other kinds of wrestling are not CZW garbage matches or yardcore guys flying off buildings. - There are many, many legitimate criticisms of WWE matches. They are very repetitive. The style doesn't allow for big adjustments depending on the strengths and weaknesses of the particular wrestlers. It doesn't lend itself well to short matches, which is problematic when that's a lot of what WWE does on television. A lot of times even the good matches have long rest hold spots. Wrestlers that don't know how to work other styles are essentially universally incapable of having matches better than good, because it's very hard to have better than a good match sticking to such a narrow script. Variety is nice. And so on... It's funny because I hate top rope flippy stuff with no psychology probably more than any other regular in this forum. I'm the one who routinely points out that John Morrison can't really work, after all. And yet you have me on the other side.
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One of the funniest parts about the WWE match style is when newer guys are trying really hard to stick to it so when something fucks up they just repeat the same sequence over again the exact same way instead of calling an audible and doing something else. It's really awkward. Then again that kind of thing happens in other promotions as well so I guess that'd be more a case of guys having to get their spots or sequences in and getting flustered when something goes wrong.
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The thing about Piledrivers is that Austin broke Chono's neck and Owen broke Austin's. Both those guys were pretty fantastic technicians. I can totally accept WWE banning the piledriver because if Owen and Austin can break peoples neck then imagine John "Can't even Armbar" Cena (Botchamania reference) trying one. The SSP is banned for any old joe, but if you can do it (Like Sydal) then it's a-okay. That's as a response to Brock killing himself. Yet again, I'm fine with that. My understanding of wwe "Main event" style is that it involves big punches, whips, elbows, kicks and last but not least a finisher and that's it. Ie: That the only "moves" are the two finishers. This is I believe is related to the fact that Vince pushes big men with little or no technical ability. It also comes down to the fact that the "Style" started when Austin was big, and Austin didn't do much rasslin after the neck surgery so they built it up around his style (And to a lesser extent Rock's). And unfortunately it's mostly stayed that way. Anyway, that's just my observation. And in my opinion the real problem with it is that Vince ONLY pushes that style of wrestling so like anything you get a bit sick of it being the only kind.
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LordPants posted:I can totally accept WWE banning the piledriver because if Owen and Austin can break peoples neck then imagine John "Can't even Armbar" Cena (Botchamania reference) trying one.
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Jetfire posted:
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Those botched piledrivers were Tombstones, and in those cases wildly dangerous Tombstones. Adding to the fact is that what got piledrivers banned was a Tombstone. So if anything should have been banned...
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savinhill posted:It's not a bunch of slack jawed morons screaming for unprotected chairshots and blood, it's actually people who would just like some more excitement and variety in WWE matches. I apologize for my fuddled comment earlier on, I was trying to fit in a lot of stuff into a few sentences and it didn't really make sense in the end. That piledriver story from 2000 is new to me, so thanks for that. What I should have just said is that a lot of comments I've seen regarding "WWE Style" is used by people who basically clamour for chairshots, blood, and whatever they've romanticized the old ECW for representing. It's clearly not the only conversation that revolves around it, and I'll accept my wrong-itude to that. Although as far as the SSP, I should turn that into a question of my own: is there any real narrative as far as that move in the WWE? The points that I can recall surrounding it are thus: - Brock nails himself on the head with one at WM19 - Kidman and Paul London both use the SSP at various times in their career - Kidman injures Chavo with one - London at some point switches from a SSP to a 450, but still does an SSP-ish move from the mat, and once on the outside of the ring in an eminently gif'ed moment - Currently the 450 is used by Gabriel, and the SSP by Bourne
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jeffersonlives posted:Piledrivers in general are not dangerous when done properly. Eh, every move is generally not dangerous when done properly. The issue with piledrivers is that if done improperly there's really no outcome that doesn't end up with the guy getting dropped on his head. The inverted piledriver in particular since you can't really protect yourself like you can the regular variety, you're either up high enough to not get your neck broken or you aren't.
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Endorph posted:That clip was from when Cena was like five minutes into his training. I'm not saying he's the greatest worker ever, but botches are pretty rare from him. He almost crippled Miz with a botch at ER
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