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Necroskowitz
Jan 20, 2011
So I get that Tilea is Italy and Estalia is Spain, but what are the Border Princes all about?

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The Bee
Nov 25, 2012

Making his way to the ring . . .
from Deep in the Jungle . . .

The Big Monkey!

Tiler Kiwi posted:

I wish they'd do some kind of roster expansion for the Norse, even if they remain unplayable. You fight them so much, its lame how stilted they are in terms of what they can field.

I wouldn't mind a Norscan LL for Chaos that inherits the current start of scrambling for dominance in the north, while the current lords take on a much more monstrous starting position that better fits the ideal of playing as Chaos.

Aurubin
Mar 17, 2011

Necroskowitz posted:

So I get that Tilea is Italy and Estalia is Spain, but what are the Border Princes all about?

Fantasy Balkans. Constantly fought over and a mishmash of cultures. Also considered a poo poo hole at the time.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Arghy posted:

Everyones all excited but you know the expansions going to be age of sigmar because GW likes to burn good things into the ground.

Pretty sure CA licensed the old world and mapped their dlc development on day one, so shouldn't be any risk of that.

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

Royalty is a continuous cutting motion


Necroskowitz posted:

So I get that Tilea is Italy and Estalia is Spain, but what are the Border Princes all about?

The Balkans, sort of, but the Old World doesn't perfectly map to Europe for all that it's an obvious pastiche of it. The Border Princedoms are where you go when you're absolutely sure that you are the man to finally bring order to these squabbling nobles and petty armies and forge a new kingdom, thereby increasing the number of squabbling nobles and petty armies by one. Alternatively, you and your cronies got thrown out of everywhere else in the Old World. There's a lot of space in the Frontier and plenty of failed kingdoms to loot.

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here
The border princes are also usually the first place to be burnt to the ground whenever there's a waagh.

The Bee
Nov 25, 2012

Making his way to the ring . . .
from Deep in the Jungle . . .

The Big Monkey!

Arghy posted:

Everyones all excited but you know the expansions going to be age of sigmar because GW likes to burn good things into the ground.

I think they disallowed that kind of licensing, but I might be misremembering and thinking of Age of Sigmar based mods.

On the bright side, I don't think the game's super small faction sizes would accommodate a Total War style game at all. There wouldn't be nearly enough unit diversity to work well, which gives me hope GW wouldn't try and shoehorn it in.

Aurubin
Mar 17, 2011

NoNotTheMindProbe posted:

The border princes are also usually the first place to be burnt to the ground whenever there's a waagh.

I remember reading an excerpt from the WFRP, with 2 bandit groups trading insults and eventually blows, while travelers wait for the commotion to die down. When it's over the traveler asks his guard what "Prince X" thinks of bandits fighting on his land, the guide responds that Prince X was leader of the group that just won the fight.

JacksAngryBiome
Oct 23, 2014

Nanomashoes posted:

Goblin archers and boar chariots are the meta, I don't think you know what it is.

Night goblin ambush army, best army.

dpf
Sep 17, 2011

Hi guys,

Me and my mate are having problems with our co op campaign. I read somewhere that you can gift some units in a battle so that they can play, but we haven't been able to figure out how?

Tardcore
Jan 24, 2011

Not cool enough for the Spider-man club.

DangerousDan posted:

Hi guys,

Me and my mate are having problems with our co op campaign. I read somewhere that you can gift some units in a battle so that they can play, but we haven't been able to figure out how?

It should be a little button on the unit command bar at the bottom of the ui

NewMars
Mar 10, 2013

Necroskowitz posted:

So I get that Tilea is Italy and Estalia is Spain, but what are the Border Princes all about?

In the empire, an Emperor can own anything from a single province with a city state, covering dozens of towns, villages and urban areas, to a fully united realm, with a half-dozen city-states, hundreds of smaller cities and thousands of tiny villages, granting them an army numbering in the tens of thousands, equipped with the very latest death-dealing machines and cosmic enchantments.

In the border princes, an emperor can own anything from a house, to two houses.

Let me put it this way: the most powerful noble of the border princes has about as much respect and importance as your average imperial mayor or bretonnian knight.

Southpaugh
May 26, 2007

Smokey Bacon


NewMars posted:

In the empire, an Emperor can own anything from a single province with a city state, covering dozens of towns, villages and urban areas, to a fully united realm, with a half-dozen city-states, hundreds of smaller cities and thousands of tiny villages, granting them an army numbering in the tens of thousands, equipped with the very latest death-dealing machines and cosmic enchantments.

In the border princes, an emperor can own anything from a house, to two houses.

Let me put it this way: the most powerful noble of the border princes has about as much respect and importance as your average imperial mayor or bretonnian knight.

Sven Carlsson would like a word with you.

Edit:

Remembered that this horrible bastard existed:

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Lietpold-the-Black?_requestid=6039076

There, two legendary lords for the border princes, add Morgan Bernhardt for a horde mercenary faction and we're sorted.

Southpaugh fucked around with this message at 14:39 on Mar 2, 2017

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth
They said TTW would be a trilogy right?


DEVELOPMENT MAP:
1) Old World (now complete)
2) "New" World - High elves and Lizards and such
3) STEAMHEAD DUARDIN

My body is ready.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Chomp8645 posted:

They said TTW would be a trilogy right?


DEVELOPMENT MAP:
1) Old World (now complete)
2) "New" World - High elves and Lizards and such
3) STEAMHEAD DUARDIN

My body is ready.

You're in luck, the accurate-so-far datamining says expansion 2 will be a Chaos overhaul/revamp with Daemons added.

Dandywalken
Feb 11, 2014

Number three on the list got me hot and bothered

LuiCypher
Apr 24, 2010

Today I'm... amped up!

Just started a game with M'Lady of Goku (Fey Enchantress).

With the Greenskin incursion, she is swole as gently caress right now. It is also ridiculous amounts of fun to have a lot of cav against goblin incursions, because Knights Errant will just completely overrun their position and knock them completely out of line like ragdolls..

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

I've lost twice, I've failed twice and I've gotten two dishonorable mentions within 7 weeks. But I keep coming back. I am The Trooper!

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021


I hear the third expansion is going to retroactively delete all content from the first two and be an Age of Sigmar game. You can play with the old armies, but they all have awful legacy rules.

Nephthys
Mar 27, 2010

"This unit gets +30 Melee attack and 12% Weapon damage if you sing into the headset during a battle."

Mordja
Apr 26, 2014

Hell Gem

ZearothK posted:

I hear the third expansion is going to retroactively delete all content from the first two and be an Age of Sigmar game. You can play with the old armies, but they all have awful legacy rules.

They'll add Tomb Kings as the final piece of DLC for the second game, then turn around and delete them completely for the third.

Lassitude
Oct 21, 2003

KillerQueen posted:

Any word on if the Border Princes are going to get some kind of Bret-esque update?

Honestly I just want rewards for being a treacherous bastard.

Last we heard they're not going to touch stuff like Kislev, Border Princes, etc. until all the sides which have had army books at some point are done.

Also, Border Princes are super weird. They're not a coherent nation. They're just a series of hundreds of fiefdoms of various sizes, from city-states to weird rape-cabins like Craster's Keep in GoT. Some of them are ruled by former Bretonnians, some by Empire guys, some by Tilea, etc. It's a crazy mix. They're probably the least likely to get fleshed out of all the minor nations.

oswald ownenstein
Jan 30, 2011

KING FAGGOT OF THE SHITPOST KINGDOM

Nanomashoes posted:

Goblin archers and boar chariots are the meta, I don't think you know what it is.

By meta I'm talking about all the awful lord sniping crap people like to play with that has been around since soul leech was really strong

Share your wisdom with us peasants oh great one

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth
lol I paid money for Beastmen and Wood Elves but barely played them and then I got Bretonnia for free and I'm gonna do at least a full Grand Campaign.

Am I a rube?

Ra Ra Rasputin
Apr 2, 2011
I like Bret's campaign objectives being bare-bones and straight forward, get chivalry, get money at breakpoints, win the game at 1000.

Your empire can be as big or small as you like to win and there aren't a dozen chapter objectives that are mostly impossible to complete before the next batch of objectives pop up.

Rip_Van_Winkle
Jul 21, 2011

"When life gives you ghosts, you make ghost-robots"

I think this is a philosophy we can all aspire to.

i don't care if the second and third games are set in sigmar possum reality bubbles i just want them nasty stinky rats give them to me i need rats

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

Lassitude posted:

Last we heard they're not going to touch stuff like Kislev, Border Princes, etc. until all the sides which have had army books at some point are done.

Also, Border Princes are super weird. They're not a coherent nation. They're just a series of hundreds of fiefdoms of various sizes, from city-states to weird rape-cabins like Craster's Keep in GoT. Some of them are ruled by former Bretonnians, some by Empire guys, some by Tilea, etc. It's a crazy mix. They're probably the least likely to get fleshed out of all the minor nations.

Shouldn't really be a faction or any factions far as I see it. Should just an area of the map where there aren't really settlements you can control, but there should perhaps be settlements that can raided and traded with in some respect, and perhaps allow for replenisment of soldiers in return for paying extra upkeep and a place you can go to hire mercenaries coming from all over.

At least that's kind of how I feel. A "Border Princes" faction doesn't really make sense.

I would love to see Tilea, Estalia, Kislev and Araby actually fleshed out as factions somewhere down the line and their respective regions expanded and given some further detail (especially with regards to Tilea and Estalia, which both seem way too small).

vintagepurple
Jan 31, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Ra Ra Rasputin posted:

I like Bret's campaign objectives being bare-bones and straight forward, get chivalry, get money at breakpoints, win the game at 1000.

Your empire can be as big or small as you like to win and there aren't a dozen chapter objectives that are mostly impossible to complete before the next batch of objectives pop up.



And the objectives aren't just "attack X many towns", thank god.

Rip_Van_Winkle posted:

i don't care if the second and third games are set in sigmar possum reality bubbles i just want them nasty stinky rats give them to me i need rats

Does anyone here have the skaven story from the death thread saved? It was three skaven in a sigmarine suit trying to get through the hammergates of sigmarheaven.

God I hate those sigmarines, and also how they had Karl Franz become Sigmar. Sigmar was a screaming, hammer-wielding Conan type and they already had a Sigmareincarnation with Valten. Karl Franz was always a level-headed statesmen not a crazy fighter.

It would be cool to see Valten in this game, maybe as a green knight type guy, GW gave him the short end of the stick.

vintagepurple fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Mar 2, 2017

Captain Beans
Aug 5, 2004

Whar be the beans?
Hair Elf

MilitantBlackGuy posted:

Just a reminder that Beastmen are metal as gently caress and have the best adornments


Knights Errant, precision decapitators


Look out! The Dwarfs are on the warpath...



IT AINT ME, I AINT NO FORTUNATE SON, NO NO NO


The Virtue of Empathy


A Knight of the ze Realm issues a challenge


Are you running some fancy Sweetfx .dll ? I have the game almost maxed and it does not look so sexy.

Please share your secret!

Dandywalken
Feb 11, 2014

How moddable are victory conditions? Could you have Orcs required to raid for a certain cash amount rather than take out the empire?

vintagepurple
Jan 31, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
I wish there were victory cinematics, if only for an animated rendition of Grimgor clowning Archaon.

Also I had a gameplay in mind for Skaven, they could be a "persistent" horde. So they play basically like a horde faction, but the horde buildings actually represent that Lord's holdings in the underway. If the stack gets wiped, the horde respawns in a few turns with a new lord and a lovely half stack (composition could be influenced by buildings, so a T5 super horde might spawn a pretty decent army with special units while a T1 would be 4 slaves and a clanrat unit), but intact buildings. Would also help the AI skaven present a constant menace.

vintagepurple fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Mar 2, 2017

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

vintagepurple posted:

God I hate those sigmarines, and also how they had Karl Franz become Sigmar. Sigmar was a screaming, hammer-wielding Conan type and they already had a Sigmareincarnation with Valten. Karl Franz was always a level-headed statesmen not a crazy fighter.

It would be cool to see Valten in this game, maybe as a green knight type guy, GW gave him the short end of the stick.

One of the interesting things about Sigmar in setting, though, is that as soon as he was Emperor he immediately settled in to start writing laws, building roads, all that kind of stuff just as much as going around hitting poo poo with a hammer. He might look like a crazy iron age barbarian warlord but dude loved politics, too.

E: Also, Valten is the only person in setting as boring as Archaon, so it makes sense they'd be rivals.

Night10194 fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Mar 2, 2017

KillerQueen
Jul 13, 2010

"Both of us are allegedly very important. Only one of us can leave."
Has Azzhag been made any better for campaign mode?

VanSandman
Feb 16, 2011
SWAP.AVI EXCHANGER
Conan, too, turned out to be a wise king once he actually got the throne.

vintagepurple
Jan 31, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Night10194 posted:

One of the interesting things about Sigmar in setting, though, is that as soon as he was Emperor he immediately settled in to start writing laws, building roads, all that kind of stuff just as much as going around hitting poo poo with a hammer. He might look like a crazy iron age barbarian warlord but dude loved politics, too.

E: Also, Valten is the only person in setting as boring as Archaon, so it makes sense they'd be rivals.

They both had potential. Too bad about the hack writing.

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth

VanSandman posted:

Conan, too, turned out to be a wise king once he actually got the throne.

No derails please. That is a story for another time!

Ra Ra Rasputin
Apr 2, 2011
Thought of something simple for a mod that might make specialized caster lords better, what if their spells were overcast versions as the base and overcharging those with the miscast chance would just reduce their wind cost and cooldown?

Might make a master necromancer worth taking over a vampire if he could have cheap summon skeletons and AOE heals and the like and be able to use more of them then a regular necromancer or vampire.

Your trading a lot of killing power from a melee lord to take someone like gelt or kemmler or generic caster lord, the spells should be numerous and worth the trade-off.

Gwyrgyn Blood
Dec 17, 2002

About to jump in on this game finally, any races right now that are definitely "don't try these guys first" or pretty much just down to taste? I've played a few Total War games before so I've got a general idea how things work.

Kainser
Apr 27, 2010

O'er the sea from the north
there sails a ship
With the people of Hel
at the helm stands Loki
After the wolf
do wild men follow
The Chaos campaign is a bit eh but other than that so can you just pick whatever looks coolest.

Dandywalken
Feb 11, 2014

Gwyrgyn Blood posted:

About to jump in on this game finally, any races right now that are definitely "don't try these guys first" or pretty much just down to taste? I've played a few Total War games before so I've got a general idea how things work.

Empire is a hard start now, and Chaos isn't much fun. Dwarves are a good start imo. Orcs are fun but can be rough depending on the AI.

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Rip_Van_Winkle
Jul 21, 2011

"When life gives you ghosts, you make ghost-robots"

I think this is a philosophy we can all aspire to.

Gwyrgyn Blood posted:

About to jump in on this game finally, any races right now that are definitely "don't try these guys first" or pretty much just down to taste? I've played a few Total War games before so I've got a general idea how things work.

Empire slowly became the most difficult start as more stuff got added, and unmodded Greenskins can have a tough time early on against the idiot mole people but aren't too bad.

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