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Augmented Dickey posted:Looks like the SS concept from 2003
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ilkhan posted:Exactly what I was thinking of. I kept thinking "SS" but forgot it was a concept before the current overpriced (albeit quite nice) sedan. Please point me towards the cheaper 400hp full size sedan.
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Aug 27, 2014 00:49
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fknlo posted:Please point me towards the cheaper 400hp full size sedan.
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ilkhan posted:Visited a Dodge dealer lately? The charger is a pathetic 370hp, practically a civic. the 470hp SRT8 is $1900 more, that's enough to buy 3.5 geo metros.
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I really hope the SRT Dart ends up in the same ballpark. The more smaller sedans/hatches with AWD and 300+ HP, the better.
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Powershift posted:The charger is a pathetic 370hp, practically a civic. Weird, comparably equipped SRT8's seem to be about $5k more than the SS. You can get the price up to $10k more than the SS if you really want to.
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Aug 27, 2014 03:22
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VikingSkull posted:bet it's the Focus SVT and not the RS here in the States Why is that smart? It's ST and RS everywhere else in the world and this is GLOBALFORD now.
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Aug 27, 2014 03:29
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If they were going to slap the SVT badge on a Focus they'd have done it on the ST.
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Aug 27, 2014 03:56
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Q_res posted:If they were going to slap the SVT badge on a Focus they'd have done it on the ST. Focus SvT
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Aug 27, 2014 05:09
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Q_res posted:If they were going to slap the SVT badge on a Focus they'd have done it on the ST. This will come as the RS or not at all. (My money is on the latter)
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Aug 27, 2014 13:10
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Haven't they moved completely away from the SVT badge? There are the ST and the Sport models now and of course the SHO was resurrected. The RS would probably make the most sense
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Aug 27, 2014 15:14
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Not completely. The GT500 sported SVT badges for most, if not all, of its run. The only model actually marketed as an SVT is the Raptor.
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A test mule for a future Alfa Giulia has been spotted in a shortened Ghibli body:  Tipo (type) 952 is the internal model code. FWD 156 was 932, 166 936, 147/GT 937, 159/Brera/Spider 939. Here's an "artist impression" of what the new Giulia could look like (Nothing to do with Alfa/FCA): 
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Aug 31, 2014 21:44
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Q_res posted:Not completely. The GT500 sported SVT badges for most, if not all, of its run. The only model actually marketed as an SVT is the Raptor. There's also the fact that SVT is really the driving force behind the new Shelby GT350 or whatever it's called, and I've seen the Cobra moniker attached to it. Ford is keeping SVT around, and in the US the badge still has some worth. I mean I get the OneFord point but a badge swap means nothing in the grand scheme of things. SVT means more to the American buyer than ST or RS does.
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SVT also did the work on the GT500, we've seen which name Ford prefers to use to sell Mustangs. Spoiler, it's the one that's not needed sizable incentives to clear holdover inventory in the past. Having the Cobra name attached to a Shelby Mustang is something that goes back to the 60s. That name hardly belongs to SVT.VikingSkull posted:SVT means more to the American buyer than ST or RS does. SVT could just as easily be replaced by SVE/SVO/SV*/whatever. It only means something to delusional SVT fanboys, nobody else gives a flying gently caress. SVT as a brand did two neat trucks, the R cars and one awesome non-R Mustang. Everything else they did was mediocre. Q_res fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Sep 1, 2014 |
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Q_res posted:SVT could just as easily be replaced by SVE/SVO/SV*/whatever. It only means something to delusional SVT fanboys, nobody else gives a flying gently caress. SVT as a brand did two neat trucks, the R cars and one awesome non-R Mustang. Everything else they did was mediocre. I know at least on Contour owner who would argue with you for a year about that.
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Sep 1, 2014 02:53
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Yeah but those Contour owners are a *special* bunch
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skipdogg posted:Yeah but those Contour owners are a *special* bunch The SVT Contour was one of the most exciting FWD cars I've ever driven. they're seriously a hidden gem these days.
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angryhampster posted:The SVT Contour was one of the most exciting FWD cars I've ever driven. they're seriously a hidden gem these days. you need to apply 2014 standards to 1999 cars when judging them on their merits
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Q_res posted:Everything else they did was mediocre. The '96 mystichrome was far from mediocre in the looks department 
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Both Lightnings were good, the Contour was good, the Focus was meh, the R cars own, the Terminator owns, the Raptor is amazing, SVT has a really good track record IMO
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VikingSkull posted:you need to apply 2014 standards to 1999 cars when judging them on their merits Or you could cut the passive-aggressive bullshit and remember how disappointing 195 HP was in a mid-size "sports sedan" when it came out. Or apply 1991 standards since it wasn't any faster than an 8 year old SHO. Or the SVT Focus, aka take a Euro ST170, slap a body kit on it and call it a day. Perhaps how the story of every Cobra that wasn't a Terminator or R-car was "Oh look, it's what the Mustang GT should have been. edit: I actually like the SVT Contour. I'm just not convinced how much credit SVT actually deserves for it. Those things handled great before they touched them, it really was a pretty great chassis to begin with. Q_res fucked around with this message at 14:01 on Sep 1, 2014 |
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I'm not being passive aggressive, 1999 didn't really have many decent cars and the Contour was a bright spot. It wasn't the best SVT ever, or even the best Ford ever, but it was a good car and it was more fun to drive than the base models, mainly due to the tuned suspension and improved brakes. Also, in the US, the Contour wasn't a "mid-sized sports sedan" lol
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VikingSkull posted:
The Contour and Taurus were both classified as mid-size at the time. And I don't see how the SVT wasn't a "sports sedan". At least in the same way the original SHO was considered one. Again it's just that I'm not so willing to slap SVT on the back for taking a great handling car, doing a little bit of tuning to it and ending up with a fantastic handling car. Hooray, they're competent? It's kind of like the Focus where they half-assed it and it could have been so much more with some actual effort.
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The Focus was the one that was just rebadged, and that's the one I classify as meh. Also I only singled out the Terminators, the other regular Cobras were just overpriced GT's like you said. They aren't perfect, but SVT has made more cool cars than not. It's entirely possible that they'll keep it the RS, but I think SVT holds more cache in the US and they'd be better off promoting it alongside the Raptor. RS doesn't hold nearly the sway over the casual enthusiast here, certainly not in the same way SVT does. e- also classifying the Contour and Taurus as mid-size together is hilarious. I know they did that, but no one in the US market considers the Contour a mid-size car really. It was somewhere in between the Escort and Taurus, it didn't really fit anywhere in this market. It's pretty telling that the Focus replaced both the Contour and Escort here. Seizure Meat fucked around with this message at 14:35 on Sep 1, 2014 |
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Q_res posted:Or you could cut the passive-aggressive bullshit and remember how disappointing 195 HP was in a mid-size "sports sedan" when it came out. I think 195hp in a sedan is plenty exciting, and back in the mid-90s I would have been even more excited  Then again, I'm not drunk on power like some of you USians seem to be, and I have plenty of fun with just 160hp.
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195hp isn't all that much, but in 1999 the Mustang GT had 260 and the Camaro had 320. 195 in a smallish car with a high revving V6 was actually impressive then. e- lol, the 1999 Mustang V6 had 190hp
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You're all getting flustered about the Ford Mondeo.
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Extra posted:What would be the point of having a Contour SVT when a V6 camry of the same era is just as fast? not looking like a grandma
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HorseLord posted:You're all getting flustered about the Ford Mondeo. The Mondeo has always been a great car, it's just rather common and for that reason it doesn't really excite people.
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KozmoNaut posted:The Mondeo has always been a great car, it's just rather common and for that reason it doesn't really excite people.  BTCC-Mondeo by Plbmak, on Flickr BTCC Ford Mondeo by AnthonyGurr, on Flickr Ford Mondeo by MP Watson, on Flickr BTCC Ford Mondeo by f508jtt, on FlickrWe raced a Contour a few years back, in the wet at Road America it was a joy.
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VikingSkull posted:The Focus was the one that was just rebadged, and that's the one I classify as meh. It was as good or better than its competition here in the US. It may have been "meh" compared to some European hot hatches, but it was pretty good here. I loved mine.
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VikingSkull posted:not looking like a grandma Wait, which car are you talking about? Contour says 'Grandma' pretty strongly.
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HotCanadianChick posted:Wait, which car are you talking about? Contour says 'Grandma' pretty strongly. agreed, but it was sportier looking as an SVT both cars are bland as gently caress in actuality why buy anything as opposed to other things? hosed if I know fknlo posted:It was as good or better than its competition here in the US. It may have been "meh" compared to some European hot hatches, but it was pretty good here. I loved mine. again, agreed, but in terms of SVT by itself it was probably their weakest offering overall, as it was just rebadged. they are still a hoot to drive not nearly as bad as the Saleen Focus with nitrous that voided the warranty
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KozmoNaut posted:The Mondeo has always been a great car, it's just rather common and for that reason it doesn't really excite people. The mk3, yes. The 90s models were trash though. Worst interiors I've ever experienced, almost like something out of an american car.
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HorseLord posted:The mk3, yes. The 90s models were trash though. Worst interiors I've ever experienced, almost like something out of an american car. Even then it wasn't exactly great compared to the competitors - a Mazda 6 or Honda Accord is light years ahead for interior feel and general build quality. Recently my totally non car person mate was shopping for a cheap family car and the first comment he made on getting into a 2006 Mondeo (the fancy Ghia model too) was 'man this has a lovely interior, I'm not buying it - he ended up paying a couple of grand more for a Mazda 6 instead.
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The configurator for the canyon is up, and they're doing the same thing with the canyon as ford does with the f-150 in canada. super low base price only on the absolute base model. http://www.chevrolet.com/colorado-small-truck/build-your-own.html Yeah, the base price is 20,995. Want a crew cab with the same box? $6000 more 4 wheel drive? $7000 more Chevy takes it one step further though, only allowing 3 colors on the base model, white, black, or silver. So while "starts at 20,995", you can really only get 3 possible configs under 25 grand. A white 2wd extended cab, a black 2wd extended cab, or a silver 2wd extended cab. Cruise control isn't even an OPTION on the base model, although in proud chevy tradition, you can get the Z71 offroad package on the 2wd. They also released fuel econon numbers but only for the v6. 18 city, 26 highway for the 2wd. 17 city, 24 highway for 4x4. The HFE ram is 18/25, a 4x4 ram is 16/23, a 2wd diesel ram is 20/28.
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I just hope the new Colorado sells well enough to make Toyota do a substantial redesign of the Tacoma. From everything I've seen of the new Colorado, its price, engine lineup, and now fuel economy, I think I'd rather just buy a brand new ancient Tacoma. It may have drum brakes but it'll hold value better, hold itself together better, and won't aggressively try to kill its occupants by virtue of being a GM. These Colorados are probably going to have wicked sick cash rebates available this time next year though.
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Why is the premium for 4-wheel drive $3000 more on the Colorado than on the Silverado 1500?
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