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Should they really? Maybe certain clips here and there, but what benefit does an unencrypted finished master copy of a movie give you internally? Don't the people who cut the actual theatrical trailers not even get access to the full movie? Unless access to it is limited to like 3 or 4 people that seems like it's making things way too easy for a high-grade leak to happen. I suppose it probably depends on the caliber of the project, too. Like it happening with the My Little Pony seems more likely than it happening with, say, the new Star Wars movie, I suspect they won't gently caress around with that.
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Samuel L. ACKSYN posted:the original texas chainsaw massacre was shot on 16mm film always looks better when scanned at higher res. even 16mm
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univbee posted:Should they really? Maybe certain clips here and there, but what benefit does an unencrypted finished master copy of a movie give you internally? Don't the people who cut the actual theatrical trailers not even get access to the full movie? what benefit is given by having as much of it encrypted at all times as possible?
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fishmech posted:what benefit is given by having as much of it encrypted at all times as possible? leaks are less likely if an intern can't punt a 3 gig mp4 to 4chan for e-cred
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univbee posted:leaks are less likely if an intern can't punt a 3 gig mp4 to 4chan for e-cred Are they? Very few movies get leaked this way
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fishmech posted:Are they? Very few movies get leaked this way that's the point i'm making, leaks are almost universally from some other interference-prone source because that's their best option, like either some janky camera/telesync setup, a Russian DVD, or a screener copy, in all cases the eventual "proper" DVD runs circles around it quality-wise (and won't have Russian visuals/screener copy text). getting something that's "commercial release"-tier video/audio quality more than a month before an official DVD or Blu-ray release is pretty rare, with the few times it's happened usually being things like the movie "accidentally" getting a premature release on iTunes in the Ukraine or some such and the studios are pretty gung-ho about dealing with even those other leak sources with things like cinavia encoding in theatrical screenings and the like in the hopes to throw off home viewing equipment
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univbee posted:that's the point i'm making, leaks are almost universally from some other interference-prone source because that's their best option, like either some janky camera/telesync setup, a Russian DVD, or a screener copy, in all cases the eventual "proper" DVD runs circles around it quality-wise (and won't have Russian visuals/screener copy text). getting something that's "commercial release"-tier video/audio quality more than a month before an official DVD or Blu-ray release is pretty rare, with the few times it's happened usually being things like the movie "accidentally" getting a premature release on iTunes in the Ukraine or some such so you see why its not actually necessary to keep your original working files and original master versions encrypted, right?
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fishmech posted:so you see why its not actually necessary to keep your original working files and original master versions encrypted, right? Why would you want to keep valuable/proprietary data-at-rest not encrypted? 
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Schadenboner posted:Why would you want to keep valuable/proprietary data-at-rest not encrypted? why would you insist on keeping it independently encrypted when it doesn't need to be?
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im gettin meched here it's killing me
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you are using the word "encryption" like its a magical incantation, would you reasonably expect a hacker which got onto the machines where the, possibly encrypted movie, is worked on to not largely immediately get all they need to also decrypt it? the intern example is even more notorious, how are you going to have the intern work on anything even tangentially relating to the movie without it being a situation where they could potentially get at it? from having worked in banking it is sort of recurring that people like to, without thinking them through at all, imagine all kinds of safeguards which are entirely impractical when you need people to actually work with the stuff. i do not imagine, at all, that movie production has any better means of keeping the data from their employees.
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stop getting fishmeched you morons
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:the intern example is even more notorious, how are you going to have the intern work on anything even tangentially relating to the movie without it being a situation where they could potentially get at it? i'd imagine an intern who was, say, in charge of building things for a spaceship battle in the upcoming star wars movie wouldn't have access to scenes outside of that, but i'll acknowledge that I'm likely hopelessly optimistic about this and pagancow probably has master files of a shitton of movies because he just walked the gently caress out of the office with it on an external drive and so did the 18 year old who brought coffee and donuts to the office
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univbee posted:probably. all i know about it is it's a .mov file with a CBR of like 175 megabits/second DNxHD 175 is a master quality file...hmmm
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lol no the only security is that the files are on the lot of warner or whatever production house is doing the cutting, and then watermarked clips are rendered out to post houses who need to do VFX and sound. all this talk of encryption and auditing lol you're acting like they spend an extra penny on anything that doesn't get the movie made.
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pagancow posted:DNxHD 175 is a master quality file...hmmm yeah, master wasn't the right word. what would they use for an actual master of something that peaked at 1080p like the star wars prequels, just uncompressed (or lossless)? so i take it this effectively means that anyone at the production house who touches a computer could just output an un-watermarked un-protected copy of a finished film? what are the odds of the person doing this getting caught eventually as far as evidence the production house would have direct access to (e.g. access logs)? would they even be able to conclusively say it was from the production house? univbee fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Nov 28, 2017 |
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 It's enough as a final deliverable for a Blu-Ray Master. Most likely thats where it was leaked. Theres a bunch of physical security at movie studios you won't just easily walk out with a master.
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univbee posted:yeah, master wasn't the right word. what would they use for an actual master of something that peaked at 1080p like the star wars prequels, just uncompressed (or lossless)? you could "just" spend several hours rendering out and copying to disk a massive movie file when you were supposed to be doing something else yes. that's, not very practical to actually do.
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fishmech posted:you could "just" spend several hours rendering out and copying to disk a massive movie file when you were supposed to be doing something else yes. that's, not very practical to actually do. "yes I'm working on the thing you asked me to do it's just rendering" -points to progress bar- appearing busy while doing something you're not supposed to be doing is at least one area I have experience and expertise in or just do it overnight if you have your "own" workstation
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univbee posted:"yes I'm working on the thing you asked me to do it's just rendering" -points to progress bar- "i didn't tell you to render this entire movie out like our software is clearly saying you're doing" if it was really as easy to do as you seem to think it is, don't you think there'd be a lot more stuff going out to the pirate groups?
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fishmech posted:"i didn't tell you to render this entire movie out like our software is clearly saying you're doing" that's why i don't think it's that easy, we're just disagreeing on the specifics of the vigilance that prevents it from happening (a bar which just says "rendering" with a vague inaccurate ETA doesn't necessarily suggest a full movie output, would probably require a lot more scrutiny than i'd give an overworked supervisor credit for) Do higher-end NLE's have group policy-like security options where you can, if nothing else, restrict individuals' ability to do a clean high resolution render, or some such settings? The Blu-ray mastering house seems like a likely source, since release-ready copies of movies are prepped well in advance these days (e.g. the iTunes leak of Mad Max: Fury Road so soon after theatrical release was only possible because Apple was sitting on finished renders of the movie) univbee fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Nov 28, 2017 |
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this idea of an employee walking off with it is i think mostly controlled by risk/reward, beyond internet points your'd struggle to earn anything from walking out with the content, and while security likely isn't that well thought through, there is probably enough unknowns to make losing your job and getting prosecuted a very real possibility to take the bank example it was clearly possible to make it out with stuff like customer holdings and even tunneling out real-time information on trading and so on, but e.g. the default workstation setup set off alarms when a usb key was inserted, and while it was trivial to work around you get to asking yourself what other alarms may actually exist (besides, people did get caught by the usb key check), and mostly the information, while on paper valuable, is the sort which you need to be very high up the foodchain to make actual money off of (and thus all the less likely to want to risk your place in the foodchain)
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they just don't give the whole finished movie unwatermarked to vfx houses, jesus
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univbee posted:that's why i don't think it's that easy, we're just disagreeing on the specifics of the vigilance that prevents it from happening (a bar which just says "rendering" with a vague inaccurate ETA doesn't necessarily suggest a full movie output, would probably require a lot more scrutiny than i'd give an overworked supervisor credit for) are you alleging people would be coming up with fake rendering time etas in their work software just to cover up stealing things now? lol the theft scenario at work here essentially involves people who would already be authorized to have acccess if the things were encrypted beyond the normal encryption setups, so additional encryption cant help. anymore than putting an additional lock on the film canisters would help when you're already permitted to go to the vault and open said film canisters.
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Malcolm XML posted:stop getting fishmeched you morons i love a good fishmech-ing glad i came back in time, it is an xmas miracle
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mo' bits mo' nits
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syntaxrigger posted:i love a good fishmech-ing
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spankmeister posted:mo' bits mo' nits get your butts ready for an eye searing 10,000 nits being delivered into your eyes
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univbee posted:Should they really? Maybe certain clips here and there, but what benefit does an unencrypted finished master copy of a movie give you internally? Don't the people who cut the actual theatrical trailers not even get access to the full movie? internally surely you would have unencrypted copies sitting inside of encrypted volumes? then you can use the os permissions model to determine where data is copied, but tools vendors don't have to manage some kind of encryption standard
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suit the gently caress up for 8K https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7wDx7PURfI love all the gun cocking sounds added in post
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for $80,000 USD sensor only the thing should have a speaker that plays the gun cock sounds when you attach accessories.
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pagancow posted:for $80,000 USD sensor only the thing should have a speaker that plays the gun cock sounds when you attach accessories. only if it plays heavy weapons guy firing and screaming sounds when shooting.
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pagancow posted:for $80,000 USD sensor only the thing should have a speaker that plays the gun cock sounds when you attach accessories. same except without the gun
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reds logo is so web 2.0
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lololol vesa is trying to solve the HDR TV problem https://www.anandtech.com/show/12144/vesa-announces-displayhdr-spec-and-tiers quote:Today, VESA is announcing the first version of their DisplayHDR specification, a new open standard for defining LCD high dynamic range (HDR) performance. Best thought of as a lightweight certification standard, DisplayHDR is meant to set performance standards for HDR displays and how manufacturers can test their products against them. The ultimate goal being to help the VESA's constituent monitor and system vendors to clearly display and promote the HDR capabilities of their displays and laptops according to one of three different tiers. And what are the three 
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TVs only have to meet 90% P3, so they can use garbo adobe RGB panels lolllllll
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fuckkk they are going to allow for 8-bit dithering panels to do 10-bpc FAACK YOUOUUU
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this is an affront to every codec warrior out there, every colorist, every person with a red or arri, nobody is going to see your pure pixels because the standard is set so god damned low
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who is going to care about the hour long samsung washer ad IF YOU CANT EVEN SEE IT IN REAL 10 BITS?
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