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Shibawanko posted:Intelligence agencies use the internet all the time to identify possible radical Islamists, why not apply the same standards to white racists then? Don't forget the alt-right from your previous post, you might want to catch them in time too e: lol nvm you're the gdr is cool guy unpacked robinhood fucked around with this message at 08:50 on May 21, 2017 |
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Shibawanko posted:Free speech laws interpreted too loosely lead to poo poo like Japan where you have right wing gangs in the street with megaphones shouting how much they hate Chinese people. Free speech has become a hollow principle for absolute scum to hide behind. Free speech should be interpreted as free speech in good faith, not just anything that comes out of your mouth. Would you want them to hunt down members of the radical left, who want to overthrow the current system, too? Asking for a friend.
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unpacked robinhood posted:Don't forget the alt-right from your previous post, you might want to catch them in time too The alt right belongs in jail. I don't remember a single murderer produced by the far left in recent history. On the other hand, we have Anders Breivik, the murderer of Jo Cox and a wacky cast of other unhinged psychos from the extreme right.
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Shibawanko posted:The alt right belongs in jail. https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...96fd_story.html
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You still haven't told us about la Terreur.
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May 21, 2017 10:23
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Kassad posted:You still haven't told us about la Terreur. 
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Grandma always used to say that if your thread starts attracting tankies, you've gone to too full communism now
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Why sould I go to jail?
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Shibawanko posted:Intelligence agencies use the internet all the time to identify possible radical Islamists, why not apply the same standards to white racists then? They might have caught Breivik in time. The standard is "tries to kill people". Radical islamists do it all the time those days, edgy pepe posters don't.
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May 21, 2017 12:33
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Ligur posted:Why sould I go to jail? Because you touch yourself at night.
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Shibawanko posted:The alt right belongs in jail. Pim Fortuyn ("populist") in the Netherlands was shot in 2002 by a left-wing guy.
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unpacked robinhood posted:The standard is "tries to kill people". Radical islamists do it all the time those days, edgy pepe posters don't. They do prefer to get them to commit suicide, because they're cowards. Ligur posted:Why sould I go to jail? Because we've got humanist values and it would be pretty hypocritical to simply execute you. OperaMouse posted:Pim Fortuyn ("populist") in the Netherlands was shot in 2002 by a left-wing guy. Not gonna cry.
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Ligur posted:Why sould I go to jail? 
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Ligur posted:Why sould I go to jail? One of many reasons.
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Ligur posted:Why sould I go to jail? Because you're a oval office, alright?
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So England wants to have an heavily government regulated internet. Probably a good step to stop fascists posting pepes imo. Unless they use it to track idiot internet leftists cosplaying their fantasy purge I mean.
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Are you guys ready for this? I don't think I'm ready. Can you die of uninterrupted laughter? What's the medical procedure for comedy overdose, tia.
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I'm glad he'll meet Macron in Brussels, that way we don't have to host him in Paris.
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Shibawanko posted:The alt right belongs in jail. FARC was killing thousands until last year. Doctor Malaver fucked around with this message at 22:58 on May 21, 2017 |
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Shibawanko posted:Free speech laws interpreted too loosely lead to poo poo You people are loving goofballs.
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Doctor Malaver posted:FARC was killing thousands until last year. Most of the people killed in the colombian civil war were killed by right wing death squads.
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Shao821 posted:You people are loving goofballs. What's controversial about that statement? There's a tension between free speech and public racism and abuse. The latter is usually justified by the far right as "free speech", so clearly at a minimum there need to be corollaries to the principle of free speech. In most European countries, we have those corollaries. Denying the holocaust happened is illegal, for example. It is part of our civilisation that statements like that cannot be excused by any principle of freedom of expression.
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Saying there must be limits to freedom because of human shittyness is not a controversial opinion.
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Pluskut Tukker posted:On that note, a nice article in the Irish Times on former PSOE leader Pedro Sánchhez trying to win back his party leadership in an internal election: Update: Sánchez won the primary election with over 50% of the vote against 40% for Susana Diáz, who was basically the candidate of the party establishment, with 10% backing Patxi López (IIRC former Speaker of the Spanish Congress). Looks though like Sánchez is about as popular in his party's establishment as Corbyn, though likely more competent.
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Shibawanko posted:What's controversial about that statement? There's a tension between free speech and public racism and abuse. The latter is usually justified by the far right as "free speech", so clearly at a minimum there need to be corollaries to the principle of free speech. 'Cause there's limits to our liberties, at least I hope and pray that there are, because those liberal freaks go too far.
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lollontee posted:Saying there must be limits to freedom because of human shittyness is not a controversial opinion.
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Collateral Damage posted:The problem is who gets to define the limits. i'll volunteer
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Collateral Damage posted:The problem is who gets to define the limits. Yes that's what politics is all about.
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Truga posted:http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/news-room/20170509IPR73935/watching-online-films-and-tv-while-abroad anything that shits on the stupid idea that media content providers can segment the internet into regional units like it's 2003 DVD sales is extremely cool and good.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Truga posted:http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/news-room/20170509IPR73935/watching-online-films-and-tv-while-abroad Why? It seems like a reasonable thing for the EU to do.
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[quote]FAS: Ist die schwarze Null evangelisch? Schäuble: Die schwarze Null würde Luther vermutlich gefallen: eine solide Finanzpolitik, die nicht auf Kosten der Zukunft agiert. Ich begründe meine Finanzpolitik mit Nachhaltigkeit: Wir dürfen unsere heutigen Ausgaben nicht durch künftige Steuerzahler finanzieren lassen. FAS: Hat der Streit um die richtige Wirtschaftspolitik in Europa auch mit unterschiedlichen Konfessionen zu tun, nach dem Motto: Katholiken sehen es mit dem Geld etwas lockerer? Schäuble: Die Griechen sind doch orthodox. FAS: Das ist noch katholischer als katholisch. Schäuble: Ich glaube, die Zusammenhänge sind komplizierter. [quote] Very funny interview by Schäuble. http://www.bundesfinanzministerium.de/Content/DE/Interviews/2017/2017-05-22-faz-sonntag.html
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Collateral Damage posted:The problem is who gets to define the limits. In a functioning country, there's a thing called the "legislative power" that is charged with this task. In a parliamentary democracy, the legislative power consists of an assembly of representatives elected by the people. I hope this answers your question. Truga posted:http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/news-room/20170509IPR73935/watching-online-films-and-tv-while-abroad This is the exact opposite of dumb. Now if they could impose a standard format for inkjet printer cartridge, preferably one with separate cartridges for each color...
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The underlying problem is media licensing agreements which only permit a distributor to make content available in some countries/areas, which in turn has its roots in archaic copyright law written at a time when nobody could imagine content being transfered across borders in any way other than physical media. Basically copyright law needs to be torn up and shitcanned in its entirety, then rewritten from a 21st century consumer perspective.
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:I'm not sure what kind of evidence you expect there to be for Merkel being a secret libertarian? A secret diary? A brain scan? Collateral Damage posted:Basically copyright law needs to be torn up and shitcanned in its entirety, then rewritten from a 21st century consumer perspective.
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Cat Mattress posted:This is the exact opposite of dumb. blowfish posted:anything that shits on the stupid idea that media content providers can segment the internet into regional units like it's 2003 DVD sales is extremely cool and good. Please read the thing, not just the title, because it's enforcing the segmentation harder, not getting rid of it. I can get a lovely vpn and watch good shows now, that won't be an option anymore soon (and already isn't in many cases).
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Collateral Damage posted:The underlying problem is media licensing agreements which only permit a distributor to make content available in some countries/areas, which in turn has its roots in archaic copyright law written at a time when nobody could imagine content being transfered across borders in any way other than physical media.  but good luck with that as we transition from tech-illiterate old politicians who still haven't quite gotten over the fact that computers aren't just a fad like baggy jeans to tech-illiterate young politicians whose tech knowledge amounts to "press butan to apply instagram filter".
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Cat Mattress posted:In a functioning country, there's a thing called the "legislative power" that is charged with this task. In a parliamentary democracy, the legislative power consists of an assembly of representatives elected by the people. I hope this answers your question. Incitement of violence, hate speech and the like doesn't fall under free speech in the first place, which is usually what the lovely people refer to when they complain.
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Truga posted:http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/news-room/20170509IPR73935/watching-online-films-and-tv-while-abroad It's actually really good
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Vulin posted:Strong anti hate speech laws and limitations on free speech to protect a person's dignity are good and useful, the internet shouldn't be a refuge from that, so Shibawanko's idea is actually good. People keep forgetting that having a STASI-like apparatus doesn't mean it will work like they imagine it will. It will inevitably end in people like Shibawanko ruining their own lifes when some apparatschik decides they don't like his face. Or hey, maybe he turns into a corrupt apparatschik himself! With this kind of thing, you can never know
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