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Sulecrist posted:Do you think that they will continue to not fill vacancies at all outside of DOJ honors until not only 2014, when I will start applying, but 2020, when I'll start to wind it down? We were discussing upperclass externship choices. I doubt the DOJ will be again what it was thirty years ago, but you're talking about 2011 and I wasn't. You're taking a significant risk if this is your only plan for employment. I know a lot of people who got the 2 year EOIR clerkships through DOJ honors but then were left to their own devices when the DOJ hiring freeze took effect.
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blar posted:You're taking a significant risk if this is your only plan for employment. I know a lot of people who got the 2 year EOIR clerkships through DOJ honors but then were left to their own devices when the DOJ hiring freeze took effect. This shouldn't be anyone's only plan for employment. That would be asinine. edit: blar I know you're not trying to imply that it's not asinine, I just don't want any lurkers misunderstanding and thinking that it's not asinine. Sulecrist fucked around with this message at 02:36 on Dec 1, 2011 |
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burf posted:I was pretty much caught up on my readings until Skyrim came out, and now I'm a month behind with 6 days to go till finals. I ordered skyrim but it didn't come before I had to go out of town for a loving two week long trial in bumblefuck. I'm so goddamn bored without it 
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BigHead posted:I ordered skyrim but it didn't come before I had to go out of town for a loving two week long trial in bumblefuck. I'm so goddamn bored without it Murders in the state don't tend to last more than that.
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Dec 1, 2011 06:42
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Dec 1, 2011 07:25
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We need this thread to seem as non-nerdy and non-inside-jokey and non-alienating as possible so that our self-deceiving friends who are thinking about making bad law school--related decisions are more likely to take it seriously.
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MoFauxHawk posted:We need this thread to seem as non-nerdy and non-inside-jokey and non-alienating as possible so that our self-deceiving friends who are thinking about making bad law school--related decisions are more likely to take it seriously. Or we should do the exact opposite so they instead run screaming lest they become us.
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L&LSM #13: wanted a crim job, gave a skyrim job EDIT: if you say it fast it sounds like "gave this guy"
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Sulecrist posted:L&LSM #13: wanted a crim job, gave a skyrim job L&LSM #13: Use Astroglide for Skyrim Edit: Just saw your edit, whoa, it's true! MoFauxHawk fucked around with this message at 07:59 on Dec 1, 2011 |
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nm posted:What the hell are you doing for a two week trial? well, two weeks of four back to back to back misdos. Also bush courts are only visited once in a while so we are all well prepared ahead of time. BigHead fucked around with this message at 08:04 on Dec 1, 2011 |
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blar posted:You're taking a significant risk if this is your only plan for employment. I know a lot of people who got the 2 year EOIR clerkships through DOJ honors but then were left to their own devices when the DOJ hiring freeze took effect. I feel so dumb for coming into law school aiming for DOJ Honors. I didn't even wind up applying for it this year because of how badly they cut the number of positions. I have a BigLaw gig lined up for this summer so it's definitely not the end of the world but it still seems really silly in retrospect. Holland Oats fucked around with this message at 09:37 on Dec 1, 2011 |
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Holland Oats posted:I feel so dumb for coming into law school aiming for DOJ Honors. I didn't even wind up applying for it this year because of how badly they cut the number of positions. I have a BigLaw gig lined up for this summer so it's definitely not the end of the world but it still seems really silly in retrospect. It's cool - you had the credentials and any other time in the last few decades you would be working 9-5 as a GS-15 earning a pension. The silly people are the ones that think they're going to get a job in international law then work at an immigration firm for $10/hr. I'd just hate to see any other intelligent individuals come into this thread and think the federal government will actually hire more than 20 people out of law school per year.
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blar posted:It's cool - you had the credentials and any other time in the last few decades you would be working 9-5 as a GS-15 earning a pension. The silly people are the ones that think they're going to get a job in international law then work at an immigration firm for $10/hr. I'd just hate to see any other intelligent individuals come into this thread and think the federal government will actually hire more than 20 people out of law school per year. Man this sucks. 
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Anyone have some practice tests for Federal Income Tax?
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Sulecrist posted:Anyone have some practice tests for Federal Income Tax? TPs are married with one kid, 9. TP husband has another kid, 21, from previous spouse. TP husband's 21-year-old is in college taking 11 credits a semester. Tuition is $10,000. TPs pay $8,500 mortgage interest and $3,000 property taxes. TP husband receives a W-2 for $40,000 but has to buy his own uniforms and pays his own gas to get between job sites. TP wife runs her own at-home daycare center. She earns $30,000 and uses her basement of a three-story house as the day care. TPs have a brokerage account and they sold 100 shares of XYZ Corp. stock for $1,000. Etc. etc. Now determine their tax liability without using any forms. And be able to cite to the code sections you relied on. Do this 10 or 15 times using different facts and scenarios that cover the topics in your class, and you'll be fine. Find a friend in the class and come up with scenarios for each other. Tax tests are stupid easy. Edit: I guess this really only works if your tests looked like mine -- 2 or 3 essays with large fact patterns. If your tests look like this, I can't help you. 10-8 fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Dec 1, 2011 |
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10-8 posted:Tax tests A chunk of them are multiple choice (I hope they're as easy as those) and a chunk will be fact patterns. I'm most worried about just forgetting to ask myself stuff--maybe I'll make a table of contents and then make question soup out of the topics. Also, I'm not really sure where to find all of the updated indexed-for-inflation stuff and ACRS schedules, other than the Internet. I hope to God he gives them to us.
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I hope so, I have an exam for a 2-credit INcome Tax Accounting exam next wednesday. Only went to two classes all semester, never did reading, just started reading the code/regs.
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In general, I hate Lexis. But today I am incredibly thankful for its archive of my searches from the past 30 days. I researched an issue two weeks ago but never drafted a formal memo because it was as mall thing and I figured that we hammered out our approach, but today my boss wants a memo he can take with him to a meeting. Pull up my archives, boom there are all the cases I found before. Thank god.
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fougera posted:I hope so, I have an exam for a 2-credit INcome Tax Accounting exam next wednesday. Only went to two classes all semester, never did reading, just started reading the code/regs. Hahaha Income Tax Accounting. I did zero reading, went to 50% of the lectures, and still ended up with a solid grade. You want me to try and find the outlines that I used?
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Sulecrist posted:Anyone have some practice tests for Federal Income Tax? I have a few essays and one with a model answer. Email?
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Sulecrist posted:Also, I'm not really sure where to find all of the updated indexed-for-inflation stuff and ACRS schedules, other than the Internet. I hope to God he gives them to us.
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Here's a link to my prof's depreciation tables that we are using this semester: http://professordougkahn.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/docs/DeprecTables.346191853.doc
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TWiP posted:Here's a link to my prof's depreciation tables that we are using this semester: God I miss Dougie's terrible jokes and casual racism. Best tax prof ever
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Omerta posted:I have a few essays and one with a model answer. Email? [redacted] Thank you so much. Sulecrist fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Dec 1, 2011 |
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10-8 posted:Good memories I loved those tests, though I never did as well as I thought I did (I did well enough).
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Soothing Vapors posted:God I miss Dougie's terrible jokes and casual racism. Best tax prof ever I've got Jeff Kahn; his son, I guess?
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Sulecrist posted:
Sent, you can edit out your email.
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blar posted:It's cool - you had the credentials and any other time in the last few decades you would be working 9-5 as a GS-15 earning a pension. The silly people are the ones that think they're going to get a job in international law then work at an immigration firm for $10/hr. I'd just hate to see any other intelligent individuals come into this thread and think the federal government will actually hire more than 20 people out of law school per year. Even though I'm going to work for a firm, I still want to work for the government eventually. What's the best way to position myself to do that? White Collar Defense? Should I eventually work in a DC office?
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Holland Oats posted:Even though I'm going to work for a firm, I still want to work for the government eventually. What's the best way to position myself to do that? White Collar Defense? Should I eventually work in a DC office? So, be a badass.
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Holland Oats posted:Even though I'm going to work for a firm, I still want to work for the government eventually. What's the best way to position myself to do that? White Collar Defense? Should I eventually work in a DC office? Since there really isn't a hiring mechanism for entry level attorneys outside Honors, you need to accumulate as many years of specialized post-bar experience as possible and make government contacts. Go on usajobs and search for Attorney Advisor for a sample of requirements for a publicly posted GS 13-15 attorney position in the excepted service. Since attorneys are excepted service I believe you can pass your resume on to a hiring manager and get hired without a public posting (as opposed to the competitive service) so definitely make those contacts. Almost forgot, you see a lot of clerkship folks in AUSA positions because they are allowed to apply for Honors again at the end of their clerkship. GamingOdor fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Dec 1, 2011 |
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Holland Oats posted:Even though I'm going to work for a firm, I still want to work for the government eventually. What's the best way to position myself to do that? White Collar Defense? Should I eventually work in a DC office? There's always state and local. My pension will likely be better than the feds and pay maxes out higher working for the county. If you're civil, county counsel is basically the most cush job ever. Layoffs are a current threat but eventually you get seniority. Also, a union job so you'll have some representation. Da or pd is less cush, but you'll likely work 8-5 most days.
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I am a self-loathing masochistic fool that is applying to law school. Don't try and talk me out of it; I've wanted to do it for years and this thread and the New York Times are what prevented me from applying sooner (in fact, I had posted in this thread asking for links to send family members who didn't agree with my reluctance). I recognize the risks and downsides associated with it, but I am a special and unique snowflake. And my GPA and LSAT score should get me pretty decent scholarships to all/most of the schools in the region, so atleast I won't be incurring massive debt in the process. Anyways, I have submmited several applications already without having to acknowledge a screw-up I made as a juvenile. I was arrested and initially charged with a felony but ultimately all charges were dropped and the incident was expunged. The specific circumstances of the event have allowed me to so far check "No" on every application's "Character & Fitness" section. I was explicitly told at the time that the expungement meant I would essentially never have to acknowledge the incident; however, one of the applications I am completing has the following question: 1. As either an adult or a juvenile, have you ever been arrested for, convicted of, or pled guilty or no contest to any violation of any law or ordinance, or for the commission of any felony or misdemeanor (including all moving traffic violations)? You must disclose adjudications in which a sentence or judgment has been withheld, deferred, expunged, or the record sealed, regardless of whether you have been told that you need not disclose any such instance. How the gently caress can they require you to disclose "adjudications in which a sentence or judgment has been withheld, deferred, expunged, or the record sealed, regardless of whether you have been told that you need not disclose any such instance"? Doesn't that make such processes meaningless? And would they be able to learn of the incident if I do not disclose it? Finally, would the bar admission process similarly require me to disclose this information even though it's been expunged? If the answer to the last question is yes, the answers to the rest don't matter and I'll just suck it up and tell them about it. Sorry for the very long, whiny post and thanks for any input provided, law/Skyrim goons. Edit: I was never convicted. Arrested, put in juvenile detention for the weekend, released, charges dropped, poo poo expunged. Edit 2: gently caress it; after reading similar discussion on TLS (I know, I know), I will take the safer path and just disclose it. I will forever believe it to be horseshit, though, and will likely continue to whine about it to friends, family, and the internets, so take that law school! STAT1C_X fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Dec 1, 2011 |
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If that's the language on the law school application, then you should comply and disclose the information. I think most bars will ask a similar question, and you'll want to disclose at that point as well. The truth is that your LSAT and GPA are going to determine whether you get into a particular school. Getting arrested as ajuvenile once, without conviction, and the entire incident is expunged? No law school or bar is going to care, at all - unless you don't disclose it when they asked about it. Then they will slap you hard because they don't like applicants who conceal things. I wish that wannabe law students who post in this thread that they are a special and unique snowflake (or are otherwise specially qualified to go to law school) were automatically subject to some sort of mod challenge or sanction.
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entris posted:I wish that wannabe law students who post in this thread that they are a special and unique snowflake (or are otherwise specially qualified to go to law school) were automatically subject to some sort of mod challenge or sanction. It was a joke, mocking myself and my decision to attend law school, but okay!
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If you lie on your law school application the state bar will find out. And then they will gently caress your pink unblemished rear end in a top hat with such tender, loving precision that you will realize you have never been hosed like this before And there is no upside to lying. A juvenile arrest is not going to harm your application in any way. Murderers get admitted to law school for christ's sake, don't lie about your dumb MIP or whatever that probably everyone else in your class has too. If it's not a MIP and you were charged with child rape or something spin it into how through hard work you turned your life around blah blah blah. Or just say 'I was young and stupid"
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Soothing Vapors posted:If you lie on your law school application the state bar will find out. And then they will gently caress your pink unblemished rear end in a top hat with such tender, loving precision that you will realize you have never been hosed like this before I fully expect my rear end in a top hat to be black, blue, and blemished by the time I get out of law school. Isn't that supposed to be the takeaway of this thread? And I am taking both courses of action in my acknowledgement (I was young and stupid AND I turned my life around through hard work, huzzah).
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STAT1C_X posted:I fully expect my rear end in a top hat to be black, blue, and blemished by the time I get out of law school. Isn't that supposed to be the takeaway of this thread?
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Holland Oats posted:Even though I'm going to work for a firm, I still want to work for the government eventually. What's the best way to position myself to do that? White Collar Defense? Should I eventually work in a DC office? I only know one AUSA. He went Biglaw, IP 3 years --> Prosecutor, white collar (don't know how long) --> AUSA. He's been an AUSA for about 1.5 years, so it's not like he got it in easy times. He's also a URM -- I don't know if that makes a difference in federal hiring. STAT1C_X posted:1. As either an adult or a juvenile, have you ever been arrested for, convicted of, or pled guilty or no contest to any violation of any law or ordinance, or for the commission of any felony or misdemeanor (including all moving traffic violations)? You must disclose adjudications in which a sentence or judgment has been withheld, deferred, expunged, or the record sealed, regardless of whether you have been told that you need not disclose any such instance. There is only one answer: disclose it. People have done waaaaaay worse things than whatever you did, disclosed it, and been fine. People have done waaaaaaaay less worse things, not disclosed it, and gotten goatse'd by C&F.
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Linguica posted:The takeaway of this thread is to not go to law school, not to go while patting yourself on the back for how mature and heroic you are for committing to a course of action you know will be unpleasant and how very self-aware you are about it I don't think there is anything mature and heroic about it, I acknowledge that I am Thanks, Omerta and Soothing Vapors.
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